An Illegal Christmas

The great advantage to thinking about God in legal terms, is that nothing has to change. If what happens between us and God is entirely external, a matter of arranging things such as the avoidance of eternal punishment or the enjoyment of eternal reward, then the world can go on as it is. In the legal model that dominates contemporary Christian thought, the secular world of things becomes nothing more than an arena, the stage on which we act out our moral and psychological dilemmas, waiting only for our final grades to be issued when we die.

In the contemporary world-view, Christ’s death and resurrection change nothing within the day-to-day world. Their effect is entirely and completely removed from this world and reserved for the next. This is a great advantage for Christian thought, for everything of significance becomes theoretical, removed from the realm of practical discussion. Not only does Christ’s work change nothing in this world, it changes nothing within us other than by moral or psychological suasion. And we therefore need argue or labor for nothing other than abstractions. The inert world of secularism is left intact.

This is to say that if “accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior” only brings about a change in my eternal disposition, then it is largely meaningless in this world. Everything Christians do in this world would be but tokens of eternity.

But this is not the teaching of the New Testament or classical Christianity. When St. Paul says that in Baptism we are “baptized into the death of Christ,” he does not mean to suggest that this only brings a change in our eternal disposition. The historical death of Christ is also a transcendent event and is made truly present in the waters of Baptism and in the life of the believer. Christianity, in its true and original form, is decidedly realistic in its teachings. Bread and wine truly and really become the Body and Blood of Christ, etc. The miracles of Christ are more than moral lessons – they are genuine invasions of this world by the Kingdom of God, the in-breaking of heaven to earth.

This spiritual realism is the foundation for the sacramental life of the Church as well as all ascetical and mystical practice. Orthodox Christians pray in order to unite themselves to Christ, not to advise Him or persuade Him. Every feast, like the sacraments themselves, is present tense, an indwelling of this world by the spiritual reality that it represents.

And so our salvation in this world represents a transformation, the union of earth and heaven. The feast of Christmas, seen in this light, is a feast of transformation. There is nothing “legal” about the event. Our status in the eyes of God does not and has not changed – for we have always been beloved of God. It is because He loved us that He sent His Son into the world – that we might be transformed. We prepare ourselves for the feast of Christmas through prayer, fasting and acts of generosity because we expect to be changed. We expect ourselves to be the birthplace of God. It is there that the angels will sing and the wise men kneel. It is there that His most dear Mother will cradle Him in her arms and give Him the milk of our humanity. And it is there, in turn, that we ourselves will drink the gift of eternal life.

But there is no moral to be drawn from the story, no psychological improvement expected. And for secularists (or secularized Christians) who might witness the Feast, their conclusion would be, “Nothing happened.” For the transformation wrought by Christ remains largely indiscernible to the outside viewer. It will ever seem “useless” to the world.

Christ went about His life as fully God and fully man. And He was as much fully God before the working of His first miracle as He was the day after. None of His miracles were of any particular use (except for the few who were healed). But most of the blind people in Israel at the time remained sightless. Thousands of paralytics were never able to walk. And with but a very few exceptions, everyone who entered a grave during His ministry remained there and passed into dust.

What good did Christmas do?

The temptation is to defer the “good” of Christmas to an abstract theoretical reality. The greatest example of this abstraction has come through the evolution of the forensic (legal) model of the Christian faith – by far the dominant form of popular, contemporary Christianity. Believers are told that their religious actions have been met with approval by God and that their eternal life is secured. What remains to the Church in such an understanding is to concentrate on moral and psychological well-being and improvement. And yet, it is quickly noted that moral and psychological actions have no effect on eternity (for we are saved by grace and not by works), so that the moral and psychological benefits are simply temporary and of value only to the believers. These sentiments (feeling good about morality and psychology) are the currency in which the contemporary Church trades.

But the transformation that Christ works in the world, sometimes known in the heart, is a treasure hidden. There is no argument that can prove it. Just as the disciples could not prove the resurrection, so we can only witness and say what we have seen. What we see and witness however will remain hidden to others. The mystery of Christ in this world is sometimes made manifest, a saint is allowed to show forth, an icon weeps. But the mystery remains hidden for a purpose.

The redemption of the world does not come with observation (Luke 17:20). Were the Kingdom of God forced on the world its precious freedom, required by love, would be forfeit and all would be for nothing. But love preserves the freedom of the world at the cost of the obvious. And so it is the pure in heart who see God.

Our hearts are not made pure by sentiment, nor can they be pure as a simple matter of legality. Instead, we fast and pray and labor to give, and the Kingdom suffers violence (but not the world), and the Kingdom yields its precious pearl to the eyes of the pure.

This is the Christmas that is alone worth pursuing – illegal and buried deep in a darkened world. What darkness could comprehend it?

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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65 responses to “An Illegal Christmas”

  1. Hart Hogan Avatar
    Hart Hogan

    Thank you. I’m grateful to learn, from so profound an apologetic for the Orthodox perspective. It rings true to me. I’ll be praying.

  2. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    This article only underscores how right I was to question the shallowness I experienced in the evangelical realm so many years ago. I knew there had to be more than “Jesus dies for my sins on the cross”; there had to be more to Christian faith than a rational moment of assent to a list of historical and theological facts.

    Our priest encouraged us a week or so ago in his homily to create in our hearts a Bethlehem for Jesus to be born into. He also talked privately with me about salvation being “Einheit” or union with God. It really is all about ontological change and transformation, not the downloading of more and more theological information.

    What saddens me, though, is that so few people in my corner of the world understand this and/or want this for themselves. What a challenge this represents for so many of us … especially for our parish priests.

  3. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    The challenge for us is to bear witness – and to live it. The outcome is in the hands of God.

  4. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thank you Fr. Stephen. What a challenge indeed.

  5. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    There was a TV show inacting story of Nativity and to a family member it seemed “realistic” and for that reason, enjoyable. At the time I wished so much that I could say that there was something better than a virtual reality. I held back because I felt that what I would say would be offending as a form of evangelism that diminished their understanding and pleasurable experience of the TV show.

    What are your thoughts about such circumstances? What might you have done in my stead?

  6. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I think you did well to heed your hesitation. There’s so much that we want to say, or could say, but there’s also the timing that only God knows. In situations like the one you describe, it’s probably best to ask questions and let someone open their heart to us. And pray…

  7. Drewster2000 Avatar
    Drewster2000

    Fr. Stephen,

    When I saw the photo up top, I thought for sure there would be a reference to Mr. Tumnus and the lamppost near “Spare-oom”. (grin)

  8. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Drewster,
    There is a reference, but it’s subtle. “Always winter but never Christmas,” is something that treats Christmas as a “legality.” The White Witch was quite clear about what was “legally” hers. But Christmas itself is not bound by legality (it’s “illegal”). And when Aslan comes, Christmas comes – it’s ontological.

    So, that’s was in my mind as I looked for an image. This particular photo is of a lamp at the end of my street – on a snowy day. I always have a sense of “magic” on those days. They have seemed much rarer than I would have thought here in East TN.

  9. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, is not the birth of Jesus Christ our first overt call to repent and enter the door of the Kingdom?

  10. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “Always winter but never Christmas,” is something that treats Christmas as a “legality.” The White Witch was quite clear about what was “legally” hers. But Christmas itself is not bound by legality (it’s “illegal”). And when Aslan comes, Christmas comes – it’s ontological.”

    Can you unpack this a bit for me Fr. Stephen? I´m not sure I follow.

  11. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I’ll make a brief stab at this – I’m getting ready to hit the road for an out-of-town trip…

    The contrast is between a juridical (legal) approach to the world (and the spiritual life) versus an ontological approach. Famously, we can see this in the contrast between the penal substitutionary atonement (legal) approach that has been very popular in some Western corners of Christianity, versus the ontological (salvation-as-communion) approach in the Eastern Church. I don’t mean to be too rigid about that distinction – the reality is more complex.

    But the White Witch, in Lewis’ work, famously stands on her “legal” rights. It’s really all she has. In the end, dealing with Aslan and putting Him to death, He refers to a “deeper magic” that she doesn’t know. That deeper magic is not based on rights and legality, but on ontology – the communion of love.

    Her winter is an image of the frozen status of her version of the world – everything is frozen under her demand of “rights.” When Aslan draws near, things begin to melt – not “by right” – but by nature – they become what they are supposed to be.

    I might be overplaying the imagery, but that was what was in my mind. Be blessed!

  12. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I get it now. Thanks Fr. Stephen. Wow. Was C.S. Lewis Orthodox? … wink wink! 🙂

    Be blessed as well!

  13. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Met. Kallistos Ware (of blessed memory), at a conference I attended with hundreds of American priests, referred to Lewis as “that anonymous Orthodox,” and received a standing ovation. I think he came by his “orthodoxy” through the route of reading classical theology (Athanasius comes to mind – he wrote the introduction for the standard translation of On the Incarnation), and by an adherence to “mere Christianity” – which is what Orthodoxy truly is when rightly understood. It is simply what the Fathers taught and practiced. Anglicanism, at certain times and in certain personalities, came close to this. It makes its present history, at least in the mainstream, all the more saddening.

  14. Lina Avatar
    Lina

    In the midst of the Divine Liturgy the priest says, “Let us lift up our hearts.”
    I was taught years ago that this means that we give our hearts to God, the good and the bad, and ALL the concerns of our heart. This allows Him to deal with the healing of our hearts and the working through of our concerns. “Here is my heart God. I give it to you. ” He takes good care of it.

  15. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Lina, that IS what happens–thank you for the reminder. Jesus takes all of us. The Evil One only wants the part he can confuse and corrupt.

    God forgive me–All of me.

  16. Timmy Avatar
    Timmy

    Fr. Stephen, thank you for this reflection & all of your writing.

    It is a beautiful & tender reminder of the powerful reality of the Gospel, which is so needed by those of us struggling to make the arduous journey from barren land of the head to the brilliant darkness of the cave of the heart where Christ is born.

    It is so true that rational arguments are inadequate to describe this reality. We can only point to what we see when the kingdom/reign of God shines through on those occasions when we are blessed to have such experiences.

    This monring I came across this song entitled “Black Sheep”, and I thought you would enjoy it, as it reminded me of your consistent message for a number of reasons:

  17. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Michael,
    I agree with what you said above: the meaning of Nativity is repentance. I would also suggest (and it sounds cliche!) that Christmas is all about love. What is love? At the deepest level, I believe it’s the recognition of our shared being.

    When we say, Christ is born!, we make a ontological statement about our shared, or participated, being. It is a revelation of love… to the extent we truly experience Christ’s Nativity, recognizing our living unity with God.

    This is the most wonderful time of the year, I think, to remember that Love is not a mere feeling but the truth of who we are in Christ, as He is born in us.

  18. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Timmy,
    Thank you for your kind words and the song. I enjoyed it. The Lord is gathering all His sheep – (and more than a few goats as well). Blessings!

  19. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen, Michael,
    The simple phrase, “Come, let us adore Him,” is a call to repentance – that is – to turn from ourselves (our selfish lives) and towards Christ (including Christ in the “least of these.”

    Somewhere in the next week or two, I’ll take time to re-watch one of the productions of A Christmas Carol (Dickens). In that story we see Scrooge, who came to “keep Christmas better than any man.” …and do likewise.

  20. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Father,
    This essay is beautiful. It describes the main reason I became Orthodox. The priority of the ontological outlook indeed differs from that of most Evangelical Protestants, who, I assume, populate the “popular, contemporary Christianity” you refer to in the article. I know this by experience, having been privileged to live in that culture for years, at both local church and seminary levels.

    I would not want to caricature anyone. I’m not saying you have done this, Father. From my experience, the Evangelical does confess an ontological aspect to Christ’s work among men. It is summed up in the biblical terms, “born again” and “sanctification.” The first term refers to an instantaneous event, the second term refers to a progressive process, and both have to do with the Spirit’s work in the human heart. Neither are legal realities.

    That said, most Evangelicals do draw a hard distinction between justification and sanctification. Justification, for them, is God’s legal declaration of our forensic righteousness in Christ, while sanctification is the Spirit’s work to conform us to Christ’s image. The boundary between these two realities is not to be confused; that’s what Rome has done, from their perspective. Moreover, in the standard Evangelical view, it is legal justification which is tantamount to salvation. On the other hand, the Spirit’s work of sanctification is an outworking of salvation, something already accomplished on the legal level.

    I hope that’s a fair assessment, Father. Your article seems to address the *priority* Evangelicals give to the legal dynamic. I merely wanted to note that American Protestants, in particular, have a fairly rich history of upholding an ontological aspect of the faith. I think of George Whitfield, way back when, walking the American plains and preaching, “You must be born again!”, while thousands were dramatically affected, perhaps to the very core of their being. Billy Graham would be another notable, recent example.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen,
    Evangelicalism is, these days, a bit of a strange mix. It is not quite classical protestantism. The introduction of the “born-again experience” in the 18th-19th century was something foreign to classical protestantism – gradually opening the way for Pentecostalism in the 19th and 20th century. Today’s Evangelicalism is a bit of a mixture of various things. It is not, I think, properly described as ontological in its approach – not in the classical sense of Eastern mystical theology as found in Orthodoxy. Pentecostalism comes closer – thus the more Pentecostal someone’s experience might be – the closer they draw to an ontological approach.

    I grew up in a very dry, Southern Baptist culture. We were not ontological in the least. The modern innovations in contemporary Evangelicalism have largely been drawn out of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements. None of which is heavily theological.

    There was, in traditional Anglicanism, a smattering of ontological stuff (the Prayer of Humble Access is a great example). I would describe all of that realm of today’s Protestantism as “experiential” rather than ontological – with all of the pro’s and con’s of such a basis.

    Just my opinion.

  22. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen,
    A quick note of clarification viz. experience versus ontology. Historically, the First Great Awakening, and its later movements of similarity, largely confused the notion of emotionalism (even in extreme forms) with ontology. I strongly recommend Winiarski’s Darkness Falls on the Land of Light, for a well-researched account of the First Great Awakening in New England, devoid of the hagiographical treatments of later Evangelicals. It demonstrates, without sermonizing, how destructive the movement was and how largely devoid of traditional Christian theology.

    Modern Evangelicalism continues to be driven by experience-oriented worship services in which believers are encouraged to think that what is taking place is, in fact, the work of the Holy Spirit. I do not want to say that God is absent in such things – but that the language used to describe what is taking place is delusional.

    Orthodoxy would treat the emotionalism associated with these modern movements as dangerous and easily misleading. Orthodox piety teaches sobriety rather than emotionalism, though I’ve seen cases where this is not the case (and that worries me).

    My personal experience within the Charismatic movement (back in the early 70’s) was that the claims and experiences were, too often, manipulative and unexamined.

    I know plenty of Evangelicals, Baptists, etc., who are not immersed in emotionalism and are solid believers. Nonetheless, many forms of these early movements are awash in false prophecy, poor teaching, and are increasingly being led into false teachings. God is a good God, however, and uses many things for His purposes – for which I give thanks (including much good that I received during my time in those places years ago).

    An example of false teaching writ large: to be “born again” was universally taught to be what takes place in Holy Baptism prior to these modern movements. It is a specific example of confusing emotional decision-making with ontology.

  23. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Father,
    Well said. I agree, Evangelicalism is extremely diverse in the U.S. As you know, it used to refer to the conservative side of Protestantism (in the time of Thomas Jefferson), over and against mainline denominations, but not anymore. If you grew up SB in Tennessee, I bet you were acquainted with (raised within?) biblical Fundamentalism, including the legacy of the Scopes Trial, etc.

    I grew up in the ’80s, so Fundamentalism pre se had by then morphed into the Moral Majority. Anyway, I can see how an ontological approach wasn’t at the forefront of such a culture. Nowadays, it certainly depends on who you ask. But IMHO, whoever speaks about God in terms of a “change of heart” or the Holy Spirit redirecting their life is speaking ontologically. Whether their viewpoint is *purely* ontological – like Orthodoxy – is a different matter.

  24. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Father,
    I was idly writing my response and slowly posting it while you had already posted a second. Just fyi. 🙂

  25. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    I confess, Father, I think I have a wider vision of God’s saving activity than I’m supposed to. Having been “raised with Christ” in a county jail, let’s just say I empathize with those who don’t read “born again” in the traditional sense. Forgive me.

  26. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen,
    I do not want to suggest a lesser vision of God’s saving activity – He is always acting for our salvation.

    I think the instincts that led to the Great Awakening and subsequent movements are understandable, and even correct. It was their application where things had a way of failing. Classical Protestantism had become very sterile and intellectual, quite moralistic and rationalized. It simply lacked balance. Much of this was driven my an over-weaning hatred and distrust of all things Roman Catholic. It killed the mystical life that had been part of the Medieval faith.

    Some of the most powerful theological accounts of experience can be found in St. Symeon the New Theologian and are certainly an important part of the Hesychast tradition in Orthodoxy.

    What we have in our contemporary expressions of Evangelicalism is simply too thin, though well-intentioned. It needs theological depth and discernment. That need was a large part of my initial strivings towards Orthodoxy.

    May God save us all!

  27. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Father,
    I could not agree more. Beyond intellectualism and emotionalism, more enduring than thoughts and feelings… the mystical life. Amen.

  28. Kenneth Avatar
    Kenneth

    Fr. Stephen, your comments mentioned “come let us adore him.” I’ve noticed that a certain prayer in the Orthros service says “O come all ye faithful.” I’ve wondered if the Christmas carol got that line from this prayer, or if perhaps there is another common source for each. I was unable to find this wording exactly in scripture, though I may have overlooked it.

    Just my two cents on the other conversation, I come from a Protestant evangelical background and it certainly did not seem ontological in the least. The Orthodox understanding of salvation would seem quite foreign or unrecognizable. But Protestantism, as you say, is also quite diverse.

  29. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Kenneth,
    Yes, I know the phrase – it comes up in several places. The hymn, “O come all ye faithful,” is translated from the Latin, Adeste Fidelis. I’ve heard the phrase in English versions of Orthodox services in various places, as well.

  30. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Kenneth,
    I too come from a similar background. I was wondering, did you sometimes hear talk of regeneration by the Spirit? Or that God makes us new creatures in Christ?

    I only ask because I frequently heard these kinds of ontological terms in sermons during my Evangelical years, in SBC, Presbyterian, Methodist, and non-denominational churches.

    Thank you kindly!

  31. Anna Avatar
    Anna

    So good and so true and so worth holding on to. Thank you so much, Anna

  32. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Kenneth,
    On second thought, it’s really none of my business. 😊 Forgive me, I’ve been laid up with covid four days, and now that my strength is returning, I am getting overly inquisitive.

    I wish you well, brother.

  33. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Owen said:

    “I could not agree more. Beyond intellectualism and emotionalism, more enduring than thoughts and feelings… the mystical life. Amen.”

    and …

    “I too come from a similar background. I was wondering, did you sometimes hear talk of regeneration by the Spirit? Or that God makes us new creatures in Christ?”

    First, I have heard that in America many Protestants of all stripes are yearning for and searching for the mystical. That has lead to much change within Protestant church services overall as well as an exodus from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism and/or Orthodoxy. Is this so?

    Second, I have heard such language Owen. BTW – Thanks Owen and Fr. Stephen for the comments about evangelicalism and ontology. The language, Owen, was merely words wrapped up in rationalism (non-charismatic evangelicalism) or theological concepts swimming in loads of emotionalism (charismatic evangelicalism). Also, for many of us in those circles penal substitutionary atonement was the Gospel and sanctification was merely a nice, but unnecessary, add-on. For ALL THE YEARS I spent in those circles, I received a lot of theological information and emotion, but VERY LITTLE spiritual transformation. Why? I think it has to do with the Church and her sacraments and a life of prayer grounded in healthy sprituality and theology … something sorely lacking in the spaces of my religious past.

    As I Catholic, I am thankful to have the readings of Fr. Thomas Keating as well as Pope Benedict (of blessed memory) and others who describe salvation as “Einheit” or union with God. My priest has also been a real blessing in this area as well. I have an altogether new way of approaching Holy Scripture which I am gratefully thankful for. I am partaking of the sacraments regularly. I am for the first time in my many years as a Christian experiencing transformation in an ontological sense, though I must admit it is slow going! Of course it goes without saying how much you and Fr. Stephen and the others here in this space bless me day after day. Words cannot express the appreciation.

    Thanks so much for your words Owen. They have helped me a lot over the last year or so and continue to do so. Peace my brother!

  34. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen,
    I grew up in the Upstate of South Carolina (didn’t come to Tennessee until my 30’s). I was raised in a rural, Southern Baptist Church, that would not have self-described as “fundamentalist.” I never heard a mention of evolution in the Church. Across town, however, was Bob Jones University. That was a self-described fundamentalist university, and their Churches were well known.

    But, I think the “change of heart” and such has a long history in Evangelicalism. A moral change was always associated with “being saved.” But nothing ever deviated from the penal substitutionary theory and the baggage that came with it. There was no culture of prayer.

    A sea-change took place across all of that, starting in the 80’s or so. Influences from the charismatics and pentecostals, often driven by the “church growth” movement changed so much. Also, the rise of independent, so-called “non-denominational” Churches meant that various denominational distinctives were replaced with individual preacher’s opinions.

    Very interesting cultural phenomena.

  35. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Matthew,
    Thank you for the kind words. Having studied and worked in a low-church Protestant (SBC) seminary setting for over 10 years, I would say it is the more open minded, those who enjoy study and are willing to learn new things, who are opening to a more mystical approach. Within the Baptist seminary, this is tied in with “retrieving the Great Tradition,” as they would say. I knew several professors who were quite open to reading and learning from Catholic and Orthodox church fathers, gleaning whatever they could while remaining in their own confessional boundaries. There was even a PhD seminar entirely devoted to some of the great Western contemplatives/mystics. I wrote my own thesis on St Maximus the Confessor, and my professor of oversight invited discussion of these things. However, in my experience, this openness to the mystical dimension of faith exists more often in the higher regions of academia and much less so with those who are studying to serve at the local church level. Those training to be preachers normally held tightly to confessional beliefs. And they weren’t interested in questioning those; they were interested in learning to communicate those. They were quite satisfied with what they had been handed. For better or worse, I was never satisfied with that.

    On your second point, Matthew, more briefly, I understand about penal substitutionary atonement (PSA) and the kind of extrinsic relation to God it nurtures. In fact, I wrote my thesis on PSA in St Maximus. You may find it of interest; it’s not as straightforward as it sounds. I will only say that Maximus holds a radically intrinsic doctrine of the Cross. In other words, his is an ontological view. My approach was a subversive one in my Evangelical context, but as an Orthodox scholar, I also wanted to challenge those of my own tradition toward careful speech about the beliefs of “those outside.” I hear far too many Orthodox converts poo pooing their Protestant past. It sounds to me eerily like the Pharisees’ prayer re: the tax collector. In my humble opinion, we need to stop using Protestants as a cheap foil for Orthodox (or Catholic) triumphalism. If we truly have the stronger position, we need not diminish anyone else with our words. Let us give thanks for all things instead! If we received little spiritual growth in our previous ecclesial tradition, let us each, personally, take the blame for such a dearth upon ourselves. And give glory to God for where we are now!

    I pray these words find you well, Matthew. The Peace of Christ be with you!

  36. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Fr. Stephen,
    Very interesting. I lived for 9 years in Greenville, SC, and attended various churches during that time. I am deeply grateful for the understanding of the Cross and the “culture of prayer” – both as one unified reality – I find in Orthodoxy. Little did I know, during my (very fruitful) days at NGU, that this would be my trajectory.

  37. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Father,
    The best of my understanding from some Orthodox writers is that a person will not gain much insight or depth of understanding of the scriptures or the Fathers’ writings outside of the Life of the Orthodox Church, that is a life of Orthodox prayer and Liturgy within the ecclesiastical body. Is this true?

    I’m not referring to ‘being saved’ rather I’m referring to depth of understanding.

  38. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Dee. Apparently C.S. Lewis did.

  39. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    You’d be surprised, I think, by how much understanding can be gained by those “outside” the bounds of Orthodoxy. My experience, though, was that, despite years of study, it wasn’t until I was “inside” that certain essential “coins” began to drop. So, to that extent, I didn’t know how much I didn’t know – though the knowledge wasn’t a lack of information. Orthodoxy is not information – it is ontological. The simplest, unlettered peasant believer, can know ever so much more than someone who has studied years and mastered vocabulary, etc.

    It is also true that there are Orthodox who have yet to truly drink from the springs of the Church.

  40. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I would agree with you, viz. Lewis. It was a function of the heart.

  41. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Matthew,
    I meant to respond about “union with God” and the progress of your understanding. I am glad for you, friend. The notion of union is the way that many Orthodox believers understand salvation in Christ. We are made participants in the divine nature through Him who loved us and gave Himself for us. This is just as you well said: “experiencing transformation in an ontological sense, though I must admit it is slow going!” I find that last part to be particularly true. 😊

  42. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Owen,
    Yes, and yes. One of the differences of an ontological approach is that is truly and actually a matter of “being.” It’s not an experience that is separate from or in addition to your being. As such, it’s as much a matter of being aware that you “exist” as it is of anything – and that’s a difference about an ontological approach. It’s nothing something”in addition,” it’s a change in that which is utterly normal. What is utterly normal is changed.

    I don’t know how to express this to others – but everything is changed. “Everything is God,” is the best way I know to express it, and, even then, it’s likely to be misunderstood. It’s more a perception than not.

    This morning, I served in a parish of which my Son-in-law is the Rector (Proistamenos – Antiochian). It was a wonderful liturgy. There were 4 priests concelebrating, a good choir, a deep spirit of unity in the altar. Incidentally, I was the preacher. But I cannot begin to express the unity and communion that was the Liturgy itself. And it was all God. The language of the ontological understanding makes it possible to give some voice to this. Anything less would be inadequate – even though all language is inadequate.

  43. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, is it not also of Jesus making Himself “present” in much the same way as other people make themselves present to other — a bit like carrying a multidimensional picture of a close friend or relative around inside you?

    One always knows who is there and what they are like.

  44. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Fr. Stephen,
    Your comments resonate very deeply with me. I once spoke with an Orthodox priest about attending Divine Liturgy during the feast of the Mother of God, and I told him that, despite all the dogmatic teachings to the contrary, it really does seem like we are worshiping Mary. He simply said, yes, it does.

    I can’t remember what else we talked about. But it seems to me that the awareness of being you describe has to do with being caught up in Divine Love.

    I’ve recently been thinking of love in terms of recognizing (or, directly apprehending) the reality of our shared being. When our unity with God and with all creatures becomes immediately present to us, we experience true love, i.e. communion. And to those with no knowledge of this divine participation – that is, who we are in our deepest self – our worship can seem a little “misdirected.” Even idolatrous.

  45. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Father,
    I appreciate your response.

    Indeed, I agree with you concerning that there are those outside the faith who may walk with Christ–even unknowingly if they think themselves agnostics (Matthew 25: 37-40).

    When I mentioned the “life of the Church” provided understanding, I was not sure how to write what I meant because I absolutely did not intend to refer to informational or analytical knowledge. Perhaps I’m unintentionally using an oxymoron, understanding-being.

    I believe my meaning is the same as yours where you mention these words:

    though the knowledge wasn’t a lack of information. Orthodoxy is not information – it is ontological.

    When I reference what Orthodox teachers have said, my goal is not to judge others who stand outside the faith. Rather my intention is to speak of a path that I received and was taught, ‘further down, further in’. But such words were mentioned within the context of Orthodoxy and within the life of the Church.

    Generally, I do not want to say what it’s in the inner heart of another (how would I know?) but to describe a path, to the best of my understanding, as I was taught. Allowing for the possibility I may not have been taught well and lack the experience of such depth.

    As you say, Father, I have also heard Orthodox speakers/writers who express an apparent separation from Orthodox theology (unnamed per your blog rules) and, in some ways, mirror their Protestant history in their expressions, particularly in the area of atonement, their interpretation of sin or the adversary, and a mechanistic, analytical view of the life in Christ.

  46. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Matthew,
    I have read some of C.S. Lewis’ works and enjoyed them. And there are other authors as well who were not Orthodox who’s work I also appreciate for various reasons.

    Here is a list of a few more:
    Charles Dickens
    JRR Tolkien
    Stanley Hauerwas

    However, if I seek a deeper life in Christ as it is within the Orthodox Church, reading these great authors would not necessarily be the path I would take, unless given to me in obedience by a spiritual Father (who knew me well).

  47. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Oh dear my last submission went into moderation. I had difficulty with the verification process, I believe.

    One more note. Please do not misinterpret my statement that reading good non-Orthodox literature lacks spiritual value. But the nature of such value might be discussed with one’s spiritual Father. I think many of us (very much myself included) take it for granted that anything we might want to read, just because we want to read it, will have some value. At this point in my Orthodox life, I’m just not so sure about that. I have spent some time on stuff that, in retrospect, I wish I hadn’t. I appreciate the guidance of one who has shown themselves to have lived a life in Christ, in Orthodoxy, that would be a model for me.

  48. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Good list. Like yourself, I enjoy certain authors, but they’re not my go-to for the faith and for the depth of communion that I desire. Lewis is a very astute observer of the Christian life – you can see it in his novels, especially.

    Lately, I’ve been assissting in a Greek Orthodox parish – which has allowed me to take a deep dive into the Greek text each Sunday. It’s simply wonderful, and beyond the ability to translate. Just a delight.

  49. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Father,
    I’m very delighted that you’re participating and assisting in a Greek Orthodox parish!! I wish so much my Greek was better. If possible, do you recommend a good teaching book or lessons (e-lessons) that might help me?

  50. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I’m pretty useless on the recommendations…I’m sure there are really good resources out there. Mine came years ago with late-night studies and tests every Friday morning. Freshman year of college, Greek at 8 am 5 days a week! I whispered to our Greek Proistamenos on a recent Sunday that I never imagined how useful my Greek would be when I was in college. I’ve begun to especially be fond of Orthros. The poetry is amazing.

  51. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Father,
    The trial of those early morning classes has finally delivered Christ’s blessing! I pray I will one day perceive the depth of beauty you see, too. I read the English translation. I appreciate Orthros’ poetry as well. But I’m sure your experience is absolutely wonderful. God willing, someday, perhaps I will grasp Greek well enough to enjoy it in a similar way!

  52. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    I’m reconsidering my words. For example, I wouldn’t say I understand how to ride a bike, I think I would more likely say instead, I know how to ride a bike. While it might be a poor analogy, I think I see a reason to avoid the word “understand”.

  53. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Although not as popular as C.S. Lewis, another non-Orthodox writer whose insights into faith I find astounding is George McDonald. His fantasy stories teach moral lessons but also wield a myth-like power that leave my kids and I talking about it for days.

  54. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Owen,
    George MacDonald was my first intro to Christian fantasy. He helped reforming my mind

  55. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen, Owen, Michael and Dee.

    Owen: My hope and prayer is that a path toward union with God is more than an understanding for me now. I think it is slowly becoming a reality. God be praised!

    Dee: My hope and prayer is that as a Catholic I am following in the footsteps of C.S. Lewis and others who were/are Orthodox in spirit.

    Michael: George Macdonald was a very good intoduction for me into a new understanding of salvation. I have his book of sermons in my personal library.

    In terms of reading other authors who are not Orthodox (or in my case not Catholic), I think it is very worthwhile. Owen … I heard a diplomatic rebuke in one of your comments and I appreciate it. I´ll try not to so much “poo poo” my Protestant background. It is there for a reason and I am still on the salvific journey. Also, knowledge of the fathers (for example) is important for Christians of all confessions which could be why there is such an interest in them now in many non-Orthodox circles.

  56. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Matthew,
    Your comment to me made me smile. May our Lord bless you in your efforts to obtain and retain Orthodoxy in spirit in your life. I too pray for this myself. It can be quite a difficult struggle for me in the life context that I live in.
    Love in Christ,
    Dee

  57. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Farher,
    I hope you might share some of the revelatory experiences you’ve had reading in the Greek version of Orthros.

  58. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello everyone. My mother is in desperate need of prayer. I cannot give all the specifics right now. Will share in time. Her name is Phyllis.

    Thank you.

  59. Owen Kelly Avatar
    Owen Kelly

    Matthew,
    I pray the Lord have mercy on your mother.

  60. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Owen.

  61. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    …and for my nephew-in-law, Fr. Jorge Lucque, brain tumor

  62. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Dee. It´s very difficult in the life context I live in as well, but I keep pressing onward.

  63. Joyce Avatar
    Joyce

    Fr Stephen,
    A simple but perhaps related to this essay, request.
    Please write about the phenomenon of scapegoating and shame. Too often, an individual person becomes a group/family repository for blame or becomes the “designated patient” the designated “sick” or ” crazy one”. This occurs in too many Churches – both Orthodox and non Orthodox and is responsible for too many Church break ups. Scapegoating is a demonic inversion of the Most Holy Trinity. Instead of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost we have bully – scapegoat/designated patient(s) – and enabler(s). Thank you for considering my request.

  64. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Joyce,
    I know that René Girard has written profoundly on the topic, and I confess to not have read very deeply in him – but I’ll give it some thought. In my own thought, it is part of the dynamic of shame and envy (in a particularly demonic form).

  65. juliania Avatar
    juliania

    I know all are far ahead of me here, as I thought I should go slower, being most familiar with Old Calendar ways, so I’ve come back to this post, finding it to be where I am on the journey toward Christmas. Your site is wonderful for this purpose, and my apologies to most of your contributors for being always so tardy.

    I want to add here for others like me, who frequently return to previous conversations, that on perhaps a more legal understanding I always had difficulty with Christ’s admonition that all the Old Testament legalities (I am giving my own interpretation here) hang on the two big commandments. I could see and understand, I thought, the second; but how to grasp the first? I really couldn’t seem to get it.

    The way it finally came was when I came across Saint Isaac the Syrian, who says that an important part of
    Christ’s mission was to restore our understanding of who God really is. In spite of my more than 20 years living with all the love that the little church I attended represented, in spite of feeling God’s presence there, this simple clarification is helping me so much.

    Apologies; I just wanted to pass that on.

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