The Struggle To Be Real

tolkienVery few modern Christians who read English are unfamiliar with the writings of CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien. Lewis’ expositions of Christian thought as well as his popular fiction (The Screwtape Letters, The Chronicles of Narnia, Out of the Silent Planet, etc.) have become modern classics. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings has become something of an industry unto itself and has spawned an entire genre of literature. Many people know that the two writers were friends and colleagues, and some are aware that they belonged to a group of friends known as the Inklings. Few, however, are aware of the conversations and ideas that bound the Inklings together. They were not only Christians (for the most part), but committed Realists who struggled to put into words something of the world as they believed it truly exists. This is the deeper side (the Deep Magic) of their writings – a side I think that speaks to the heart of many in the modern world – though they don’t know why. I’m going to tell you why.

lewisThe Inklings were not a group of men who invented something. They were a group of men who had a shared affinity, something which brought them close to one another despite their differences (It is said that Lewis always had something of his native Northern Irish prejudice towards Roman Catholicism, a troublesome point for Catholic Tolkien). What they shared was a Realist view of the world – a belief that the material world is more than material, and that the symbols, meanings, values, etc. that coinhere within matter are more than ideas – they are real.

Beyond this theological/philosophical commonality, they also shared a belief about the nature of myth. And here I must be careful to define what is meant by myth. In popular usage, myth means a story that is not true, much like the popular usage that says that a symbol stands for something that is not present. For these men, myth was a form of story – but of a primal story, a shaping story. Myth was a story that is profoundly and deeply true, even if its various manifestations have deficiencies and discrepancies.

In the process of his Christian conversion, Lewis relates the account of an evening with a visiting atheist.

Early in 1926 the hardest boiled of all the atheists I ever knew sat in my room on the other side of the fire and remarked that the evidence for the historicity of the Gospels was really surprisingly good. “Rum thing,” he went on. “All that stuff of Frazer’s about the Dying God. Rum thing. It almost looks as if it had really happened once.” To understand the shattering impact of it, you would need to know the man (who has certainly never since shown any interest in Christianity). If he, the cynic of cynics, the toughest of the toughs, were not-as I would still have put it — “safe,” where could I turn? Was there then no escape?

Eventually this would become a core belief for Lewis. “It all happened once.” And so, he would eventually not only not be surprised that there should be other stories of dying and rising gods – he expected it. And he expected it, because the the death and resurrection of Christ are not just historical but also mythic. It is a primal story, even the primal story, one that shapes all stories.

Lewis again said that the ancient pagan myths were “good dreams sent to us by God to prepare for the coming of Christ.”

Tolkien said less about such things than Lewis, but they were equally part of his thought. His creation of Middle Earth, complete with languages, grammar and a back-story (The Silmarillion) that would rival the ancient epics of most civilizations, was not the hobby of an eccentric Oxford don. It was the life-work of a man whose instinct for the mythic required such an effort. On some level, certainly as an expression of myth in the way it is being used here (and as the Inklings themselves used it), the stories of Middle Earth are true. They are certainly far more true than any story found in the pages of a modern Newspaper.

Another member of the Inklings, Owen Barfield, was a lawyer by profession. However, Barfield was a former Anthroposophist and a profound Realist. His theoretical writings, such as Saving the Appearances, are much harder to read than the relatively popular works of Lewis and Tolkien. But both men thought of Barfield as the true theorist within their number.

Tolkien, reflecting on Barfields’s work, said, “If God is mythopoetic, then we must become mythopathic.” This is to say that if God’s primary mode of revelation is through the instrument of mythic stories and events, then we ourselves must be open to understanding such mythic expressions of realities. Strangely, myth (in their use of the term) is far better suited to expressing Realism than any possible materialist account.

And this brings us to my original point: Why do the imaginative works of Lewis and Tolkien speak to the modern heart as much as they do?

They do so because they are true! But the truth that they relate is a truth known primarily by the heart and it is this dynamic that gives myth both its nature and its effectiveness.

In the Voyage of the Dawn Treader, Lewis introduces us to Eustace Clarence Scrubb. Eustace has been raised by “modern” parents and has a thoroughly materialist view of the universe. This renders his character deeply problematic in the mythic world of Narnia. It is his inward change that forms the primary narrative of the novel. Becoming mythopathic in Narnia is more than a philosophical change for Eustace – it is salvation.

The same can be said for the rest of us. The assumptions and narratives of materialism (both in its atheist and Christian forms) are not only incorrect, they can be productive of bad character, leading us away from God. The mythic nature of the world (reflected in the Inklings’ version of Realism) is a reflection of the child-like innocence that Christ enjoins on his followers. Adults who are too “wise” to be fooled are always dangerous characters in Lewis’ novels.

In the life of the Church, there is a primary “mythic” experience: the Liturgy. Liturgical action is more than an antiquated manner for having a Church meeting. It is the ritual, sacramental and symbolic enactment of a Reality that might otherwise not be seen, understood, or experienced. That same reality, presented in a non-mythic manner, would be less accessible and probably misunderstood. Tolkien was right: we must become mythopathic.

The attraction of Lewis’ and Tokien’s writings are witness to the fact that there is a deep mythopathic part even in the modern heart. This is not a modern phenomenon – it is a human phenomenon. It is the anti-mythic character of modern culture that sets it apart from all human cultures that have come before. The reduction of the world to a narrow, materialist understanding of fact, is simply a world unable to communicate God.

Lewis used the term Tao to describe one aspect of this mythic Reality in his book, The Abolition of Man. He meant no particular version of Taoism – only that there is a deep Way (Tao) of things that anybody with any sense at all (to say it in a Lewisian fashion) should know. That so many no longer perceive the Tao of things is a testament to a world increasingly populated by versions of Eustace Scrubbs.

But even Eustace came to know the Tao of things. We may pray for the same.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America, Pastor Emeritus of St. Anne Orthodox Church in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.


51 responses to “The Struggle To Be Real”

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  2. Dr. Ben Marston Avatar
    Dr. Ben Marston

    There was a two year period when I read through the Trilogy seven times. I became so involved that one day when I was somewhat dejected and reading about the call on Frodo’s life to fulfill the task of the Ring’s destruction, I prayed for Frodo. I prayed for Frodo. And, after praying for Frodo, my depression lifted!
    I do not know if this has anything to do with this. But I am in a conversation with my evangelical sister, and related how that the Elf Maidens have been such a type for me of the Mother of God and of Holy women saints, and she connected with that. She has worn the jewel of Arwen because of the ‘something’ she felt in those characters. This has opened a conversation about Orthodoxy with her. First time ever.

  3. David Avatar

    Very good stuff here. Well said. Robing Phillips has also written several excellent articles about Nominalism & Realism. Highly recommended.

  4. Paul Avatar

    There is a fine line between searching for truth and searching for facts. Thanks again for an illuminating post Father! You are amazing.

  5. Margaret Avatar

    I know that God brought CS Lewis into my life when I was eleven and my mother gave me the book Prince Caspian on the recommendation of a friend of hers. (My mother has not read CS Lewis unto this day, as far as I know)
    My life and Christian experience has not been perfect because of CS Lewis, but I have always felt encouraged in the TRUTH of it all through the writings of CS Lewis — and thank the Good Lord Who Loves Mankind, we have almost everything CS Lewis has written! Thank you Fr. Stephen!

  6. George Engelhard Avatar
    George Engelhard

    It is interesting that when the new Testament was translated into Chinese, Logos, the Word was translated as Tao, the underlying thing of everything.

  7. George Engelhard Avatar
    George Engelhard

    Fr. Stephen, you are right when you say that many do not perceive the tao of things.I was raised in a family that did not perceive the tao, but I did. Very difficult.

  8. C.M.C. Fulmer Avatar

    It is an uplifting state to encounter others who see the world beyond the material, to acknowledge the unseen entities who are members of the narrative in our universe. The materialistic world view does not even effectively express or explain the phenomenons of happiness and sadness. Such is the materialistic and industrial way of life Lewis and Tolkien made enemies in their works.

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  9. Grant Avatar

    Having made the study of Tolkien and Lewis something of a life’s work, I read this with great pleasure. Thank you, Father.

  10. Paula Hughes Avatar
    Paula Hughes

    Thank you Father Stephen. This puts into clear words something I have struggled with all my life. what exactly is the wonder that small children and artists respond to, and that we ‘sensible ‘ adults have lost ? A phrase that has stuck to me is that myth is something that is false on the outside but true on the inside.
    Ken Wilber, a modern philosopher, has developed an interesting spiritual ‘map’. He talks about different levels of spiritual development in people who are aware. He calls this modern materialist world ‘flatland.’
    WHat the mystic in me met in the Orthodox Church was a certainty that we are enmeshed in the eternal ,alive , unchanging and yet vibrant living life of God. It really was coming home to walk into an Orthodox Church where people where people lived in this reality.

  11. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Paul, while I understand you statement about facts and truth, I would suggest that they are two very different categories altogether. It is impossible to know what facts are unless one first knows the truth about the nature of things as facts always depend upon context for their ‘factness’. Joe Friday notwithstanding, facts never speak for themselves and to insist only on ‘facts’ will never get one to the truth.

    The materialist and the nominalist tend to confuse facts with truth something a realist would never do.

  12. fatherstephen Avatar

    It seemed to me that Paul understood this.

  13. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Being a student of both history and theater in my younger years and being raised by parents who were certainly not nominalists, I was exposed to the fullness of things and the mythopoetic nature of reality early and often. It put me at odds with the norm from the beginning but ultimately led me to Jesus Christ and the Church.

    Along the way my exposure to the ancient Greek plays, Shakespeare and the traditional forms of prayer such as Native American dances that began to give me an appreciation for the sacramental.

    I read Joseph Campbell’s works on mythology in high school in part because my aunt had worked as a typist for him during the preparation of his original manuscripts. I was amazed to find out later that he was vehemently anti-Christian. I never understood that as his work pointed so clearly to the fulfillment of all in Jesus Christ. At least that is what I got from it.

    There was an excellent book that I read 40 years ago that I don’t know if it is still in print: “The Tao of Physics” which was an early attempt to link sub-atomic particle physics with a more traditional, non-materialist understanding of creation. Much food for thought.

    There is a rich and extensive depository of literature out there, most of which (shameless plug) can be found through Eighth Day Books, the best bookstore in the world, IMAO which also happens to be an Orthodox ministry run by a fellow parishioner. It can be accessed on the web.

  14. George Engelhard Avatar
    George Engelhard

    Michael, I agree about Eighth Day Books. Ego thought, I know but when I saw my first EDB catalog, I said out loud, “I need to win the lottery. I just found my library.”

  15. james Avatar

    what a great post.

  16. Edna King Avatar

    My husband and I read the Chronicles of Narnia aloud over nine months to our seven year old terminally ill daughter and truly, we experienced a sense of the reality of the mythic. Many times the passages we read seemed astonishingly appropriate to that day’s events, for example one day at the hospital we were sent to a different waiting room (for only one family) and on the white board someone had written a Bible verse and drawn a stick figure of a person jumping off a cliff. I wondered about that for a few minutes until the doctor arrived. He had especially bad news- the cancer treatments had not worked and he was not sure that there was anything left to try.That night at story time, Jill jumped off a cliff, only to find herself carried by Aslan’s gentle breath, blowing her to safety. We also jumped into what felt like thin air that day, but trusted in God’s breath to carry us.

    When the last days came, our little girl asked us if she were dying and we gently told her the truth. After a bit, her response was that she was a little excited about getting to meet Aslan.

    She’d been nurtured in the Orthodox faith, and understood that she would be meeting Jesus, but she could relate so comfortably to Him as Aslan that that is what she said.

    A few days later, reality and myth came together for me again when a stranger handed me a toy stuffed lion during my daughter’s visitation.

    The books profoundly affected our experience of those painful months and helped us see God’s mercy in our darkest moments, not because they defined our faith but because they expressed that faith within myth yet in a very tangible, real way.

  17. Paula Hughes Avatar
    Paula Hughes

    When I lived near Belfast a few years back, I took the CS Lewis tour. Whenever we got to a site which was related to a particular book, the guide would ask who had read that book. It soon became apparent that only I and a studious looking young man had read anything other than Narnia ! I hope the tour impelled the others to read more of Lewis and maybe even be converted.
    By the way, the guide showed us the rectory and church of the grandfather of Lewis, and the rectory door has one of those in- the- middle doorknobs just the height of a young child’s eye. It is in the shape of a Lion!

  18. fatherstephen Avatar

    Thank you for sharing such poignant and intimate experiences. Lewis, I know, would have been deeply touched. His own losses in life clearly inform his books – he was very tender about such things and not at all theoretical or doctrinaire. Foremost, he does not avoid death, including the death of children. I contrast this with things like the Potter books that are all about magic and dabbles with the problem of good and evil – but, I think, never really confronts it in the manner of Lewis.

    Both Lewis and Tolkien had seen action in the trenches of World War I and lost their dearest and best of friends (more than one) in that hellish nightmare. All that they did and wrote must always be seen with that backdrop. They were men who had seen and faced the worst the world has to offer. Lewis lost his mother while still young. Tolkien was orphaned at age 12. Their lives would have been meaningless and filled with absence had their faith avoided the ultimate and most tragic questions. Neither man’s faith was “romantic” or “sentimental.” Neither were they grasping at straws and merely looking for comfort. They were of a generation that were brave atheists when they did not believe (unlike many moderns).

    My own life experience, while never having to endure the death of a child, was early on marked by certain poignant experiences of loss (a murder in one case). My thoughts by age ten were quite dark. Lewis and Tolkien both had a very profound effect on a newly-found faith in my late teen years. They awakened something in me – perhaps the heart that responds to the mythic. By my early 20’s I had discovered the fathers and began to occasionally read the little Orthodox theology that was in print in English.

    That became a compass in my life that has guided me since to this larger, brighter world we now inhabit. Sadly, the trenches remain and the loss of friends and the loss of a world (the Classical) have not abated. But the brighter world continues to “inform” the present.

    That is a rich word – “inform.” For those brighter forms are constantly giving a redeeming shape to a world that would be formless without them. They transform a stuffed toy into God. In my experience at the grave of a still-born son, it was a bull-dozer that bespoke and revealed the Presence.

    “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

    Happy are they who see the Day of Jesus.

  19. fatherstephen Avatar

    Seven or eight years ago I visited England, Oxford and the Kilns. We went out to the Church where Lewis is buried. We looked around and found a gardener who showed us to Lewis’ grave. “It’s only the Americans who come,” he said sort of wistfully. There is a lovely window in the Church dedicated to Narnia – given by a family that lost a daughter, as I recall.

    But I noticed in the racks of the Church’s literature a pamphlet on their proposed “labyrinth” project – a token that I often consider to be a sign of a hapless invasion of New Age nonsense in the place of true faith. I think Lewis would have found it odd and “without a chest.”

    I rather wonder if he would have approved the window.

  20. Dino Avatar

    I remember at the start of my adult-conscious return to the blessed “spiritual warfare” how I picked up (by chance) the Philokalia, I ‘devoured’ it, and soon after that picked up CS Lewis’ “screwtape Letters”. I was more than impressed… I could not believe how similar the message of those two books was! People had a hard time convincing me that Lewis wasn’t an Orthodox hesychast, or at least influenced by one… 🙂

  21. Dino Avatar

    This is somewhat beside the point, but I also watched a new (and quite worthy) film at the recommendataion of my brother, which mentions Lewis. It is called “Heaven is for real” – based on a true story of a near death experience of a 4 year old. Although it is easy to find many things wrong with the film, (not so much because of its ‘Nebraskan Protestant’ starting point, but) because it sets the bar so incredibly high (even depicting Heaven and Christ at some points) that it is naturally bound to fail miserably in some sense; it is far more preferable than the usual films that set the bar low and clearly achieve the ‘abject’ target they have set themselves however – appearing outwardsly impressive.
    Back to my question, does anybody know of Lewis’ awareness of Orthodoxy and its notions that seem to inform so many of his works?

  22. fatherstephen Avatar

    There are a number of tales (some apocryphal) concerning Lewis and Orthodoxy. It should be remembered that he died in 1963, which is only about 4 or 5 years after the conversion of Met. Kallistos (Timothy) Ware – who was repeatedly rebuffed by Orthodox priests telling him to go back to his Anglican Church. It sounds astounding today – but was not uncommon. I got the same treatment in the 70’s.

    But his comments (few) concerning Orthodoxy were all quite positive. Interestingly, he greatly disliked organ music and seemed to prefer Greek chanting.

    Most of all, he was well versed in a number of the fathers – especially Athanasius – whom he not only read – but understood. He largely avoided doctrinal and Church conversations – though he did write sharply against the notion of women priests – something that has brought him lasting antipathy from the Anglican powers today.

    His background was “low” Anglican (Northern Ireland), but he never seemed to be part of the Anglican Evangelical wing of things. All of the Churchmen contacts were at least “High Church” though not very “Anglo-Catholic”. That distinction I leave for those who, like me, once lived in that world and understand its subtleties. They are, necessary to understand 19th century England, and the first part of the 20th, but are largely nothing any longer.

    I attended an Orthodox gathering with about 800 priests in 1999, where Met. Kallistos Ware made reference to Lewis as “that anonymous Orthodox” and received an immediate, enthusiastic standing ovation.

  23. Call me Ishmael Avatar

    So, was Carl G. Jung right? 😐 The man was a gnostic as far as I know.

    . . .

    Most “myths” that we find today in books, films and videogames are gnostic-minded occult/schizoid gibberish. What’s even more alarming is that many fantasy fans don’t even see the difference between ‘The Lord of the Rings’ for example and let’s say ‘The Elder Scrolls’ or ‘Baldur’s Gate’.

    The science fiction genre is also becoming more and more influenced by Lovecraftian horror:

    Can a heavy consumption of such junk brainwash you?

  24. Dino Avatar

    Riveting Father!

  25. fatherstephen Avatar

    Call me Ishmael,
    There’s Realism and Gnosticism. Jung doesn’t actually rise to the level of gnostic. He certainly saw value and meaning in myths, dreams, etc., but came to the conclusion that it was, ultimately, all psychological. It’s that he saw some form of a collective unconscious. But he would not and did not ascribe any ontology to it nor to anything else outside of the material. He respected religion as a function of our humanity – but did not actually believe in God. I read a huge part of his corpus in my college years.

    The fantasy that followed Lewis and Tolkien is largely, pulp fiction and not worthy of comparing to their efforts. It’s the failure of their imitators to understand them (much less possessing the breadth of knowledge that informed them) that renders their production so vapid.

    I would agree that fantasy can, like anything else, become just junk in the brain.

    Both Lewis and Tolkien would have agreed that some form of a Classical Canon should be required in education. The works being read in Middle and High School in the US today are only worthy of a facepalm. No oppression by an alien power could be more destructive to life and the soul that the stuff we are doing to ourselves (and our children).

  26. Jeremiah Avatar

    The love of truth through myth is one of the things that strongly drew me into Orthodoxy, though it took a few months of reflection to figure that out. I greatly admire those who create fictional worlds and use them to help us understand the “real” world even more deeply.

    I used to be a bit disappointed that we don’t have a Tolkien of Orthodoxy, but truth is Orthodox and Orthodoxy is truth. Therefore, we can glean much from the truth in the works of both Tolkien and Lewis.

  27. Karen Avatar

    Paula, I lived for 3 1/2 years in Lisburn near Belfast when I was growing up. I received the Narnia series as a Christmas gift when I was 8, smack in the middle of that period. I’ve shared before in comments on Fr. Stephen’s site, that Narnia (Lewis) ruined me early in life for anything less than the fullness of Orthodoxy, though I didn’t realize it at the time. I practically “lived” in Narnia for most of my elementary and secondary school years. 🙂

  28. Matt Avatar

    I feel like a defence of a penny dreadful may be in order here…

    The Mass Effect series is about someone called “Commander Shepard” who saves everyone in the galaxy from the “Reapers”, a force of death that has come into the world because of something broken about sapient life.

    The ending in the third game presents you with 3 choices:
    1. Permanent destruction of the Reapers, saving many but also to the condemnation of many.
    2. A total uprooting of ontological reality that redeems and reconciles the very foundation of the brokenness that caused the Reapers to be made to begin with, that goes completely against everything we know about worldly physics and biology.
    3. Temporarily fending off the Reapers and delaying the inevitable.

    Having played the first two games about a year before my conversion, I now find it almost impossible to read these motifs in them as anything but the sort of not-quite-one-to-one Christian allegory far more inspired by Lewis and Tolkien than Lovecraft whose contribution would mostly be in the window dressing.

    To even further underscore the point, one of the unsympathetic factions, Cerberus, is an antagonist straight out of Lewis. They are the sort of people who will sacrifice everything for the “progress” of humanity but what they end up doing is, in the end, unmistakably diabolical.

    I’d say that, far from being a victim of Lovecraftian influence (and I say this as someone who has been a longtime fan of Lovecraft), ME represents the sort of change Chesterton was talking about when he said that fairy tales were important not for showing children dragons but showing them a Saint George who can fight the dragon.

    (I have not played the Leviathan add-on and cannot comment on it. But what’s mentioned in that article I think underscores my point that the series is full of these unbidden Christological motifs that are impossible to unsee once you know how to look.)

    I suspect there could be similar salvific themes in the Baldur’s Gate series, but not that I can recall off the top of my head – certainly nothing nearly as obvious as in Mass Effect, but I do recall something about a long and difficult but never-hopeless road to redemption from a very personal ontological corruption being a major part of it.

  29. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Here is the problem with such fantasy games/stories: they look from the wrong end of the telescope so to speak even if they involve ‘redemption’ as a theme, it is an earned redemption that, as you describe it, is little removed from the false eschatology of progress. Plus, the passions are more than a little involved. The fantasy is a type of fantasy that can easily lure one away from what is real.

    All I can say about Lovecraft is if you haven’t read him Don’t. If you have, stop. His work is demonic.

  30. Yannis Avatar

    I have loved the works of Tolkien for a long time, yet never really “got into” the fantasy genre (although I have enjoyed certain fantasy films), despite knowing several people (including my own father) who are fantasy fans and keep trying to “broaden my horizons” – There are even some fantasy books in my book-case I have been given or lent a while ago, that I have yet to read, and may never will.
    Somehow I do not get out of other fantasy what I get out of Tolkien. I do not know what exactly it is but I did not get it from the Peter Jackson films, either. In fact, looking at the films, it seems to me that other people read Tolkien very differently. That, or they are projecting their own notions. (After seeing that last film, I teased a friend, and great fan of the films, by giving the verdict: “Another installment of Peter Jackson cinematographic rendition of his Tolkien-inspired Dungeons and Dragons adventure” 🙂 )

  31. Yannis Avatar

    I am unfamiliar with Mass Effect, but the player character seems to be yet another instance of the “superhero”, one who wins by overpowering evil by being more violent and more destructive. A Nietzschean hero – a carnal salvation.

  32. fatherstephen Avatar

    I do not play video games nor I do I have more than a cursory acquaintance with “fantasy” novels. That acquaintance, however, was enough to make a huge distinction between examples of such a genre and Tolkien (or Lewis). It’s not just that one is better written (though that’s true), but that its conception is on a level wholly removed. The story-line of good versus evil is certainly something that can be drawn as a comparison – in that way – most stories have a certain “mythic” quality. But often that myth does not rise above mere moralizing. “Good is better.”

    The strange world of video games (and even movies) seems to me to be something of a perversion of Tolkien’s work and intention. It is useless to pretend that you’re in Middle Earth (or any such place). It is no longer mythic – but merely fantastic. The awakening of a desire for something Real and True and desire to pierce beyond the veil so to speak, is replaced with the passionate need to pretend. Little boys sitting in the dark staring at a screen killing dragons, etc., would probably have produced revulsion in Tolkien. The multiplication of fantasies that mimic Middle Earth (or the movies that distort it) create confusion – making it hard, especially for the young, to tell the diamonds from the rocks. They only see dragons, orc, etc. and never experience the depth of what is intended.

    The creation of the fantasy genre in its current form is almost like the production of the many false gospels mimicking the true. This is perhaps a very apt comparison. Not all who wander are lost. But some who wander do so cluelessly and fall off the edge of the world.

  33. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Mayday, mayday! I have been blocked from commenting! I have more questions to ask and things to say! 🙂

  34. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    What? Why do these comments now appear?

  35. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Fr. Stephen,
    You said that

    >> “Jung doesn’t actually rise to the level of gnostic.”

    There are accredited Jungian/analytical psychologists who would disagree with you on that!

    Of course, there is the problem of defining gnosticism…

    “Consensus on a definition of gnosticism has proved difficult. The groups conventionally classified as gnostic did not constitute a single movement with relatively homogeneous organization, teachings, and rituals. Even the self-designation ‘gnostic’ is problematic, since it is attested for only some of the traditions conventionally treated as gnostic and its connotations are ambiguous.” (Encyclopedia Britannica)

    >> “It’s that he saw some form of a collective unconscious. But he would not and did not ascribe any ontology to it nor to anything else outside of the material.”

    Jung’s concept of a ‘collective unconscious’ — like that of a ‘hive mind’ — is something that can be found also in occult and esoteric writings. It believe it is irrelevant whether or not he has ascribed any ontology to it outside of the material. Let me cite from ‘The Screwtape Letters’, Letter 7:

    “If once we can produce our perfect work — the Materialist Magician, the man, not using, but veritably worshiping, what he vaguely calls ‘Forces’ while denying the existence of ‘spirits’ — the end of the war will be in sight.”

  36. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    When I try to post a longer comment where I use words like “gnostic” or “occult” more than once it won’t appear… Must I censor it before posting?

  37. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Or maybe the problem is with the word “Jung”? You do not want to continue a discussion on this subject? Let’s see…

  38. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Nope. Why is this happening?

  39. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Michael Bauman,
    The man was an atheist. He called his particular worldview “cosmicism”.

    There is a book by American author Jason Colavito called ‘The Cult of Alien Gods: H.P. Lovecraft and Extraterrestrial Pop Culture’ (2005) where he argues that “H.P. Lovecraft was the seminal figure in the world of alternative archaeology, and it was from his imagination that nearly all of the strange theories and alternative explanations were channeled. Lovecraft towered above all the other figures of fact and fiction as the first cause of the ancient astronaut hypothesis, and it was from him that all subsequent tales of extraterrestrial gods and lost civilizations came.”

    The following is the book’s description:

    “Nearly half of all Americans believe in the existence of extraterrestrials, and many are also convinced that aliens have visited earth at some point in history. Included among such popular beliefs is the notion that so-called ‘ancient astronauts’ (visitors from outer space) were responsible for historical wonders like the pyramids. Shocking new evidence proves that the entire genre of ancient astronaut books is based upon fictional horror stories, whose author once wrote that he never wished to mislead anyone.

    “In this entertaining and informative book, Jason Colavito traces the origins of the belief in ancient extraterrestrial visitors to the work of horror writer H.P. Lovecraft (1890-1937). This amazing tale takes the reader through fifty years of pop culture and pseudoscience highlighting such influential figures and developments as Erich von Daniken (‘Chariots of the Gods’), Graham Hancock (‘Fingerprints of the Gods’), Zecharia Sitchin (‘Twelfth Planet’), and the Raelian Revolution. The astounding and improbable connections among these various characters are revealed, along with the disturbing consequences of Lovecraft’s ‘sheer fun’ for modern science and public knowledge.”

  40. Greg Avatar

    Since Lovecraft emerged in a thread inspired by Lewis, a quirky article that somehow relates two disjoint views on our universe:

    In some ways these seem like the two world views open to rational westerners at this stage of the game – for some reason these essays, this thread bring Karamazov to mind…

  41. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    CME: Now there is a question that hits at the fundamental existential question.

  42. fatherstephen Avatar

    Call me Ishmael,
    I’m sorry that your earlier posts got caught and lost in the spam filter. I’ve been trying to solve a spam problem over the past several days, with an inundation coming in the thousands. It complicates things. We’ve got it largely resolved, but we’ve tightened up a bit. I suspect your earlier posts might have had a hyper link in them. Comments with links are always “moderated” (they have to wait and be cleared by hand) or even put in the spam filter (most spam has a link in it). With thousands of spam notes, I cannot sift through them and clear the “not spam.”

    So that’s a lengthy explanation. Try sending them again. I think we’re in better shape. But if there’s a link, there will be a bit of a delay. I’m also up to my ears in parish responsibilities today, so my internet time is limited. Many thanks for your patience!

  43. fatherstephen Avatar

    Ishmael, (May I call you “Ishmael” 🙂
    I was being kind to gnostics when I suggested that Jung was not a real one. My thought was that he was merely psychological about these things, granting them no true substance. At least the ancient gnostics thought that there really were aeons, etc.

    I do not consider Jung worth much of a conversation.

    Gnosticism, as it describes various systems, is only useful as a collective name, but the name doesn’t signify much.

  44. Matt Avatar

    Thanks for the article, Greg!

    Father, I’ve seen a few spam comments here on a routine basis but had not realized that the problem was anything near that big. I will keep you and anyone else helping you on the IT end in my prayers.

    The multiplication of fantasies that mimic Middle Earth (or the movies that distort it) create confusion – making it hard, especially for the young, to tell the diamonds from the rocks. They only see dragons, orc, etc. and never experience the depth of what is intended.

    Sounds a lot like what what was going on in my head when I first read The Hobbit after years of only playing fantasy computer RPGs and not reading any Tolkien or even anything (the word “else” is intentionally omitted here) in the fantasy genre. But it did provide an initial connection that many years later lead to my conversion as an adult.

    I am certainly not going to argue that anything we see in gaming is a good that may be received uncritically. The unending, decontextualized, systematized violence underwritten by the assumptions behind most game mechanics (and Mass Effect is certainly not an exception to this), especially when combined with a desire for “realism” in the most deadeningly modern of possible senses, is a recipe for for some truly toxic narrative types to get deeply lodged in someone’s head. (cf. Bush, drones, the “zombie” fad)

    What I think my issue is, though, is that a simple condemnation or warning is going to fall on deaf ears without a sincere engagement from within the culture. That engagement must find and bring out what’s good inside that culture to be effective and not end up dismissed as an attack by ignorant outsiders. For those of us lost boys sitting in the dark staring screens killing dragons, the narrative assumptions we’ve derived from those experiences, however broken, are our starting point.

    (As a bit of a side note, Father, your own comments on this very blog about consumerism, social justice and the ills of modern secular society, along with a frank admission that a contractual view of marriage would make inclusion of same-sex couples inevitable, were instrumental in exploding a few stereotypes I had about Orthodoxy and establishing a connection with a lot of the mindset I was coming from at the time.)

  45. Call me Ishmael Avatar
    Call me Ishmael

    Fr. Stephen,
    You may call me Ishmael. 🙂

    By the way, with the exception of my first comment and my reply to Michael Bauman (regarding Lovecraft), you can delete my other comments (this one including) if you want — to avoid clutter. Besides, I will in one form or another probably repeat some of the things stated in the comment regarding Jung and gnosticism.

  46. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    CMI: I don’t have to immerse myself in demonic inspired writing to know that the demons exist and be on guard against them. Unfortunately, they most often don’t have to bother with me directly as I do their work form them far too often.

  47. mary benton Avatar
    mary benton

    This is an excellent article, Fr. Stephen.

    I am particularly pleased that you pointed out that the truth of myth should lead us (as it did C.S. Lewis) to expect to see the death/resurrection theme of Christianity appear elsewhere in cultural myth “even if its various manifestations have deficiencies and discrepancies”.

    Too often people mistake this repetition as evidence that it is historically false, i.e. just a common story that humans make up, rather than seeing it as a primal truth we are being prepared to understand when fully manifest.

    As an aside, I am puzzled that you would classify labyrinths as “a hapless invasion of New Age nonsense” in your comment on 7/9 at 8:22 AM. Labyrinths have quite an ancient history. Though not originating in Christianity, they have appeared in Christian churches for centuries, apparently with some role in prayer or meditation.

    I didn’t think much of the idea of walking a labyrinth when I first heard of it, probably making similar assumptions to yours. However, I have done meditative walks on a couple (one at a retreat center, another on the asphalt parking lot of an inner city church) and found these experiences to be spiritually enriching. If you have never tried one, I would encourage it. (A search for “labyrinth locator” shows those in your area but they are very easy to create out of simple materials.)

    I cannot venture a guess as to what Lewis would think of the idea, of course.

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  49. Lazarus Avatar

    “The Inklings were not a group of men who invented something.”
    The need we all have as Christian disciples is to die to the need to be original in order to be original. Innovation as novelty is not our calling. Creativity as the dynamic and wonderfully diverse expression of what is never changing is the call. One approach views the gospel and it’s presentation as somehow always in need of improvement as if it is somehow deficient and in need of our enlightened tinkering. The other views the gospel and the li out of it as the continuation of the creative majesty of the Word of God.

    We need to become/be true to the original. Then we become true by grace.

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  51. Drewster2000 Avatar


    Thank you very much for passing this gem: “myth is something that is false on the outside but true on the inside.”

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