The Character of Orthodoxy

What kind of person does that?

This is a simple question – one that goes to the heart of Orthodox moral thought. For some, “morality” is a question of what is right and what is wrong. The Orthodox insight is much deeper: knowing right from wrong is of little use unless you’re the kind of person who wants and is able to do right. Morality turns out to be a matter of character rather than a legal construct (surprise!). This points to the deeper problem of catechesis: knowing what to do is not the same as becoming the kind of person who can do it.

If you read through the Catechetical Lectures of St. Cyril of Jerusalem (mid-4th century), you discover that they have a strongly moral character. The “theology” is quite simple and straight-forward. The extended period of catechesis (often three years in length) was about turning Roman pagans into believing Christians. The habits of the heart (another word for “character”) take time to change or be formed. They are, indeed, the product of a lifetime.

Now in my seventies, I can take a look back at the formation of my character over the course of the decades. It is not always a pleasant excursion, nor is it a process that has reached anything like completion. Much that seems clear to me now, only began to come into focus in my sixties.

Those who follow my writings know that I often speak about “wounds” of the soul. My experience of such things is rooted in experience. Our childhood-through-teen years are seminal in the formation of character. Quite often they are riddled with painful episodes. My book on shame (Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame), is something of an exploration of those wounds and the mechanisms beneath them. The concept of “toxic shame” is precisely an experience of shame that is strong enough to create personality disorders – expressions of the self that are created by the wound (sort of a self-protection).

Shame is a universal experience, though toxic shame is less so (thank God). But it is part of an array of wounds that tend to drive what are classically called “besetting sins,” the habits of the personality that create “moral” problems (on whatever level). Such wounds serve to establish a “character” that we would love to ditch (or reform).

When we speak of “theosis” I well-imagine that this is the sort of thing most people have in mind. We want to be “a better version of myself.” My own experience (particularly as a confessor) has been that, by and large, our struggles are persistent through the years. Quite often, their origins are unidentified, and, apart from regularly confessing the same sins repeatedly, remain unhealed.

Character runs deep.

I also suspect that we do not know what we’re supposed to “look like” when “theosis” is complete. For one, I do not think it is some version of ourselves without the wounds (which, experience tells me, is one of our fondest fantasies).

There is a character (the Greek word means the impression in soft wax left by a seal) that is being impressed upon us that does not destroy the experience of a lifetime, but transforms it. Even sin itself (which wounds us so deeply) is transformed. I came across an echo of these thoughts recently in reading the medieval Western mystic, Julian of Norwich:

By this medicine [confession and penance] every sinful soul needs to be healed, especially of sins that are in themselves mortal. Although a man has the scars of healed wounds, when he appears before God they do not deface but ennoble him….

The reward we are going to receive there will not be a small one, but great, splendid and glorious. And so all shame will be turned into glory and into greater joy.

The story of a saint is not complete when the story forgets their sins and their failings. St. Peter is not at all the same without his bragging and impetuosity, his denial of Christ, his shameful argument with Paul, and his final acceptance of his martyrdom. Two thousand years later, we still remember and recite such stories even as we hymn his glorification.

Nothing is wasted in the glory of God.

We modern people have been nurtured in the heart of a great project and the character of “project managers” has been deeply stamped on us. We expect our own salvation to be something of a project and that we should be its managers. How frustrating it is to be told that “it does not yet appear what we shall be.” How can we manage the project of our salvation if we do not know what it is we are working towards? How can we tell if we are any closer? Our modern character is formed to expect upward movement – improvement. But St. Sophrony taught that “the way up is the way down.”

There are two thoughts that come to mind in this non-modern path of salvation. The first is that our instincts resist the “way down.” St. Sophrony is referencing the path of humility, described as “bearing a little shame.” Our instincts resist shame. I suspect that looking ahead to a path of going from a little shame to a little shame would be unbearable (it is for me). In His mercy (this is the second thought), Christ tells us to “take no thought for tomorrow,” adding that “each day has enough trouble” (Matt. 6:34).

In my writings, I have suggested that we “do the next good thing.” This is a positive way of staying focused on the small and the immediate. By the same token, we should resist the temptation to make Christ into a distant goal or endpoint. Christ is the next point, the Good in the next good thing.

All is well.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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33 responses to “The Character of Orthodoxy”

  1. Fr. Chris Hawthorne Avatar
    Fr. Chris Hawthorne

    Dear Fr,

    You said “Morality turns out to be a matter of character”, which brought to mind for me a popular understanding of the relationship between the moral quality of our actions and our identity which I’ve been wrestling against for some time.

    You’ve written about this before I believe. It’s the difference between guilt and shame. Guilt is sometimes framed as the bad feelings associated with an immoral action (“I did something wrong”), vs. Shame which is seen as the bad feelings about one’s identity (“I *am* wrong”). It seems to me that this distinction is oversimplified and that my actions are a reflection of my character and also shape it, just as my character and how I see myself shapes my actions. Yet, our true identity is also hidden in Christ, which adds another layer of complexity.

    How would you speak of the relationship between our actions and who we are?

    Also, thank you so much for your writing. It has always been a blessing to me.

    Fr Chris Hawthorne

  2. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen wrote:

    “knowing right from wrong is of little use unless you’re the kind of person who wants and is able to do right.”

    “knowing what to do is not the same as becoming the kind of person who can do it.”

    I so misunderstood sanctification for so many years. I was handed a moral paradigm and told “Just Do It”. Be like Jesus was the mantra. Imitating the Master was the primary goal. I never did any of these things well. Still don´t.

    Your words, Fr. Stephen, have once again helped me to see the deeper issues contained in my being as well as the deeper issues associated with real ontological change.

    Thank you.

  3. Carol A Landrua Avatar
    Carol A Landrua

    Christ is Risen!
    So encouraging.
    Thank you Father🙏

  4. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Fr. Chris,
    I think the distinction between guilt and shame are something of a modern invention – at least on the level of feeling or emotions. Generally, I think that what we feel is shame – and we have some sort of sense that what I do is connected to who I am. We say, “How could I be so stupid!?” Guilt, as a legal category, need have no feelings at all attached to it.

  5. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I would love to hear what you think about this topic as it relates to Paul´s teaching in Romans 7!

  6. Helen Avatar
    Helen

    There’s a song called Scars in Heaven by Christian group Casting Crowns. It’s a lovely melody with an encouraging message about the pain and scars we experience and the last line of the chorus says ” the only scars in Heaven are on the hands that hold you now”. I remember how that struck me as somehow wrong, on a number of levels. Your article and the quote from Julian of Norwich helped me understand better. There is something beautiful and miraculous in the transformation of pain.

  7. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Helen,
    Yes. I have been leery of Julian of Norwich for years, primarily because she had become something of a “thing” among a number of left-wing spirituality-types back in my Anglican days (they sort of idolized anything associated with a woman – and distorted it to serve their own ends). However, during Great Lent, I found myself wanting to hear, “All will be well” (which is a phrase associated with her). So, I simply sat down and read her. She was surprisingly solid (not even very Western). I appreciated the simplicity in her visions (“showings” as she called them) and general lack of sophistication.

    I could replicate the information she relates from any number of Orthodox sources, but found it to be very soothing in just reading her work. I also took note that she wrote in the 14th century for the most part. That was a century marked by the Black Death as well as the interminable wars between England and France. It was a time of terrible suffering. So, she writes from a place of profound suffering.

    I will not go so far as to recommend her (just being a stubbord non-ecumenical Orthodox priest). But I share my reading experience for what it was. I will read her again, no doubt. I’ll also add the caveat that it is a good idea to avoid those in the West who make much of her. If you read her – just read her.

  8. Dallas Wolf Avatar

    Amen, my fellow septuagenarian!

  9. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    Dear Fr. Stephen, thank you for these words concerning the “Showings” of Julian of Norwich. God brought her into my life when I was fairly new to the Episcopal church — having been raised Methodist/Church of Christ and married in the Episcopal church, my husband’s place of worship in the 1980’s. My recommendation to anyone that I believe would benefit from reading her is to get a good translation and to not just hunt websites or quotes on the internet. Read her writings completely, first.
    As you say here, her writing is simple, straightforward for the most part. I believe she is very encouraging to Life in Christ and since coming into the Orthodox Church, I continue to find her encouraging in prayer and trust in Our Lord, the Lover of Mankind.
    I agree that I would not recommend reading Julian of Norwich to “just anyone” My favorite quote of hers “If there is anywhere on earth a lover of God who is always kept safe, I know nothing of it, for it was not shown to me. But this was shown: that in falling and rising again we are always kept in that same precious love.”

  10. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret,
    Well said. Also, the quote is a typical example – and a delight.

  11. Rob Cochran Avatar
    Rob Cochran

    Hello again Father. Would you mind sharing a little on how Orthodoxy connects character formation with the indwelling Holy Spirit and His fruit? And I completely understand and accept “mystery” as an answer because that’s about as far as I get with it.

    -Rob

  12. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Rob,
    The Holy Spirit that indwells us works through all thing and in all things for our salvation (which is ultimately expressed in our conformity to the image of Christ). Again, as I note in the article, I think we tend to think we know what that means and what it looks like – when, in fact, we do not. In my book, Face to Face: Knowing God beyond Our Shame, I describe this path of know in terms of going deeper and deeper through the layers of shame that hide us from ourselves and from knowing God. In the process of that journey, the fruit of the Spirit are certainly manifest, but I think it’s a mistake to point to those as markers of progress. Indeed, I think progress is something that should be struck from our minds.

  13. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    Thank you.

  14. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Paul says the following in Romans 7:

    “We clearly understand that the Law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold into slavery to sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want; rather, I do what I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, then I agree that the Law is good. This indicates that it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot do what is good. For I do not do the good I desire; rather, it is the evil I do not desire that I end up doing. Now if I do what I do not desire, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

    I have thus discovered this principle: when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. In my innermost self, I delight in the Law of God, but I perceive in the members of my body another law at war with the Law that I cherish in my mind. Thus, I am made captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

    What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body destined for death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then, with my mind I am a slave to the Law of God, but with my flesh to the law of sin.”

    This is certainly a mouth full so to speak, but what immediately jumps out at me is that Paul seems to be OK with not being able to lead a moral life. He is desperately struggling, yet he doesn´t speak about the need to be inwardly transformed at the deepest level in order to live a life of virtue. In this passage, Paul seems to simply accept his fleshly sinful condition. Paul does say, however, that in his innermost being he abides by the law of God but in his flesh he fails everytime. He wants to do good, but his flesh has taken him over. Where oh where is Paul´s hope in this matter?

    Thoughts?

  15. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    Father,
    Regarding Paul, I have long seen that the Church remembers his sins as a perpetual present-tense encounter with mercy, and this is a participation in the life of the age to come, where the wound will be swallowed up in the present reality of the Healer.
    And yet, the full healing of the wound belongs not to this veil of tears, but to that same age to come, when the wound is no more, because the self that bore it is hidden with Christ in God.

  16. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    My thoughts are these: Never take a single passage of St. Paul and ask it questions. Paul’s hope is in chapter 8.

  17. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Ook,
    Christianity is “apocalyptic” if we rightly understand it. That which shall be already dwells within us (we already dwell in Christ in heaven). That which shall be is, often, sometimes frequently, revealed in us (that the “apocalypse” in apocalytpic). But, I think that when all is healed (including the wound) the wound will be revealed as glorified rather than just disappeared.

  18. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    I’ve lately been thinking along these lines: Our worldly birth does not define us (although it certainly impacts us in many ways). We, as Christians, are actually defined in our resurrection: our baptism into the sacramental life of the Church. It is within the communion of the sacramental life that we “run the race” and “put off the old man, putting on the new” (to paraphrase Saint Paul).

    This article is very helpful in going further with these thoughts. The below quote is especially insightful in this regard.

    When we speak of “theosis” I well-imagine that this is the sort of thing most people have in mind. We want to be “a better version of myself…. How frustrating it is to be told that “it does not yet appear what we shall be.”

    I’m not sure it’s frustrating to think in terms of “We will be given a new name.” The shape and form and life of a new Creation is simply something we do know yet, except in part. For this Creation will surely be a part of it (“all creation groans for redemption…”). So we work on making the character of this Creation good, as best we can? To groan with it, as God “assumes” (Saint Gregory) our groaning (as priests?) with us? More synergy, by God’s grace? Do we give God the “groans” of Creation so He may return them to us, glorified? Just my meandering thoughts. Please correct as needed.

  19. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

    A valuable lesson in proof texting and context. I knew this, but I also didn´t know it – if you understand what I mean.

    Chapter 7 needs chapter 8 needs chapters 9, 10 and 11, needs the whole Church and its life in order to be most rightly understood.

    I knew this, but I also didn´t know it.

  20. Debby Zigenis-Lowery Avatar

    Thank You, Father Stephan, that was so beautiful and encouraging!
    Your daughter in Christ, Debby

  21. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Father,

    It has been so helpful for me to learn to think of my shame as springing from wounds, and to realize that they will probably never go away, only remembered with compassion and assuaged by prayer and that one might hope they will eventually be a source of glory to the Lord. Otherwise, I would get so frustrated at never getting better.

    I used to lean very heavily on Psalm 34 when first trying to deal with my shame and fear in His presence, when I was learning by hard experience that He wasn’t going to suddenly and completely change me- especially these lines in particular:

    I sought the Lord, and he answered me;
    he delivered me from all my fears.
    Those who look to him are radiant;
    their faces are never covered with shame.
    This poor man called, and the Lord heard him;
    he saved him out of all his troubles. (v. 4-6)

    I would hold on very tightly to these words by faith, because I couldn’t actually imagine that happening at that time. I couldn’t imagine looking at the Lord and not having any shame.

    I am not quite sure even myself how deeply down the layers of trauma go in me, but I am often away that I feel fragmented, blunted and burdened. Sometimes the Lord lets me have a taste of that peace which is in Heaven, and I realize then how much of a burden I am usually carrying.

    But what I have realized lately to a far greater degree is that the Lord is always with me carrying this burden. He will never leave me alone under the weight. He will carry it with me all the way home. It is very wonderful to be doing anything with the Lord.

    Assuaging wounds with prayers is something I have only recently been trying, because I only recently learned to think this way from your writing. But it is also wonderful. I love to pray these lines: “Burn all my iniquities like thorns; cleanse my soul, make holy my thoughts…” The saint goes on to pray for his knees and bones as well. I can’t help but think that he knows he is beloved. He doesn’t mind asking for everything possible- he just makes a whole list, and then knows that all Heaven is praying for it too. 🙂

    But also this line: “Cleanse me, purify me, and put me in order…” What a satisfying line that is- put me in order! That comforts the wounds a great deal. I want to be put in order, but I don’t know what the order looks like, like you say- we don’t know what we will be, so how do I know how to move toward it, even if I could, which I couldn’t. But I can pray this line and be comforted that the Lord is putting me in order. He will be faithful to complete that which He began in me.

    I had the stomach bug again last week. It was all day long. At first, I was able to be with the Lord in His suffering through my own. But by the late afternoon, I couldn’t do that any more and I ended up begging Him please to deliver me from my own suffering.

    I was disappointed in myself, but I knew no disappointment from the Lord. When I was able to be with Him in His suffering through my own, I knew His melting love and compassion. When I was begging and babbling like a baby, unable to ask for anything but the relief from suffering, I knew nothing from Him but melting pity and love. Either way, He loved me the way one would love a child.

    In the days since, I have been able to be with Him to a degree which has been rare these years. In this, I have realized how much more deeply I trust Him now, so that the shame hardly bothers me anymore- I just confess it to Him because He already knows all about it.

    Sometimes when I look at a verse, it’s like looking into a far-off country covered by haze. I can’t understand what I’m looking at. But as life goes on, my life experience draws me closer to the landscape of the meaning of the verse, so to speak. The mist begins to draw off, and I can see it take shape. Sometimes I reach the landscape and can live there.

    In the case of the verse about their faces looking to Him and being radiant, with no shadow of shame, I cannot say that I live there. But after this recent experience, I can see that I have drawn closer to understanding what that might look like. It seems like it might be possible. But I think it has everything to do with the Lord Jesus and hardly anything to do with me. Almost, I think what it might be is to realize fully that the Lord Jesus before Whom one stands is also the Savior of one’s soul, the One who brought you all the way home because He promised.

  22. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    Thank you for your reply Father. This matter has been one of my obsessions for the last 40 years, and your reply has given me much to sit with. I am grateful.

  23. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Jenny,
    May God continue to support you by His grace. Thank you for sharing these experiences. They are encouraging.

  24. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Father,

    I can think of no other situation in which I’ve been able to share such things with so much simplicity and ease. What a gift that has been to me in my life in Christ! Not just that I can bring things out of my heart into the light and thus see and understand them better, but more than this, to find such rich ground for growth in Christ as I have found in Orthodoxy through your writing.

    When I attempt to put into practice the prayers and the way of thinking that is present in Orthodoxy, or when I adjust my mind to such things as the presence of saints and their help, I see that these practices and doctrines are deeply rooted in reality- the reality of the nature of God and of the nature of human beings created in His image and of His Kingdom.

    When I attempt to undertake these practices, like remembering that my suffering is to share in Christ’s suffering out of love, or to pray the Jesus Prayer which is to turn to the Lord in repentance all day long, or to bear with my wounds and wash them with prayer, or to remember to honor His Mother for her obedience and humility and trust- the result is peace, increasing peace. I am so grateful for the opportunity to learn and interact here.

  25. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    I had one more practical question as I have occasionally been visiting Orthodox churches. It’s somewhat unrelated to the topic, but not entirely.

    I was visiting my in-laws a few months ago in West Columbia SC, and while they went to their Baptist Church, I decided to split off and go to my first Divine liturgy at Holy Apostles. I had been to Vespers a few times at St Anthony the Great in Rock Hill, but this was my first Divine liturgy.

    During the sermon, while we’re all sitting on the ground like children (which I loved), I had a powerful experience. I can’t remember exactly what was said, but he priest was teaching foundational truth’s about God and humanity but with much more incarnational emphasis then a lot of what I’m exposed to in the circles I’ve ran in.

    Suddenly,
    the beauty and conviction of the Priests words,
    the sweet smell in the air,
    the saints on the walls and beyond,
    the saints on the ground,
    the cloud of witnesses around me, overwhelmed me.

    I cried good tears for a little bit. There was so much reverence for God and for His creation welling up within. I was convicted of my sin of treating people, especially those closest to me, in any way that does not point to the inherent dignity and potential of humans made in the image of God…potential saints, no matter where they might be on the journey.

    I felt like I was dancing on the line of figuratively bowing before humanity. But right around that time, I came across the passage in Acts 14 where the people of Lystra we’re literally worshiping Paul and Barnabas and they said “why are you doing this?”

    Do you have any insight from the Orthodox perspective about dancing on the line between veneration and worship? I sense that the veneration, the honor, the dignity provoked by Christ’s incarnation is an antidote to what I believe is gnosticism in our world. But how do we stay protected from going too far and crossing the line? Does that make sense?

  26. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    …and any practical advice for how to keep from veering off into the other ditches of self-obsession and scrupulosity?

  27. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Rob,
    I believe that when I first “thought” about the question of veneration vs worship (years ago when I was not Orthodox), I could not really grasp it. After years, particularly over the past several decades in which I’ve been Orthodox, it has come to make ever more sense to me. That is, I know when I am offering veneration to a saint, or a relic or icon, etc., and when I am offering worship to God. To a certain extent, the difference is in the heart (my intention). If I am bowing before God (which happens in any number of liturgical situations) and when I am bowing before a saint. So, after a fashion, it’s not always a distinction between the action.

    There are examples in Scripture of someone bowing to another (or to an object), that is not worship and is not rebuked. In the example in Acts that you noted, the people are clearly bowing before St. Paul as though to a god. For that, they are rebuked. The same thing happens to St. John when he bows before an angel (in Revelations). Of course, St. John in no way intends to worship an angel – it’s simply a way of describing (in the text) that the angel is so holy that he seems indistinguishable from God. Did St. John sin? Nope. He made an honest mistake and was corrected.

    In our culture, we venerate lots of things that are not even close to holy: sports figures, movie stars, political figures, etc. By the same token, we fail to venerate many things that should be venerated: parents, teachers, honorable persons and objects.

    I’ve often commented in my parish about the importance of children learning to venerate icons and such. They are learning (by heart) how to “give honor to whom honor is due.”

    One distinction that I’ve made between veneration and worship is found in the offering of sacrifice. We do not ever offer sacrifices to a saint. Most Christians have no sense of offering sacrifice. In Orthodoxy, we describe the Eucharist at the “Bloodless Sacrifice,” that is, it is not a re-sacrificing, a new shedding of blood, in the sacrifice of Christ. It is, however, a “re-presentation” of the once-and-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. There is no parallel to this regarding the saints.

    When we follow the practices of the Church, we gradually learn (by heart) to make the inner distinction between worship and veneration.

  28. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Rob,
    The most important thing is to gradually internalize the fact that God is not interested in condemning you. If you make a mistake – He can handle it. You’re like a child. God loves children!

  29. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Rob,
    Zeal is often the first experience one has upon entering Orthodoxy. Sometimes such zeal lasts for years, and sometimes not so long. I, too, shed tears in my first Liturgy. Let your love be a long-enduring, deeply glowing ember! From your comment, I don’t see self-obsession; I see a bit of caution–avoiding a flame-out, which is a good thing! Take it slow, one step at a time.

    Veneration of our saints as far as I have known and experienced, didn’t overshadow my worship of Christ. Our saints always point to Christ, especially the Theotokos. I think, however, that since I wasn’t immersed in Protestant theology, as some converts are, perhaps that was what made it rather easy for me not to be concerned or fearful of the veneration of our saints. My only reticence, for some reason, was kissing an icon in public, while I was comfortable with such an expression in private. At the time, generally, I just didn’t kiss anyone in public.

    Please continue to come, to taste and see!

  30. Aron Wall Avatar

    Hi Rob,

    You don’t need to know the entire boundary line. You just need to process a single data point.

    What happened to you in church doesn’t sound like idolatry to me, but rather a great blessing. Humans ARE in the image of God, and it isn’t idolatry to worship God by means of that image, so long as you remember that it is God you are worshipping (and that the image is always imperfect). Just as, when you see an ikon of Christ, you don’t worship the wood or the paint, but rather use them to worship the one whom the ikon depicts, so too (in an even more profound way) when you see any human being, that human is also an ikon of Christ, and Christ may be worshipped using this ikon as well. All you have to do is to remember that it is Christ, not the specific person in front of you, who deserves the worship.

    This does not mean the saints are “separate” from Christ (who is united to the Church by his Spirit), but considered as persons we remain eternally distinct, even through we share in his divine life by grace.

    Of course, as we are now, most of us have sufficient faults, that it is not too hard to tell the difference between us and Christ!

  31. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    Thank you all for your helpful and encouraging responses.

  32. Justin Avatar
    Justin

    Rob,

    I may be a little late to the conversation, but as I read your comments I had this come to mind: veneration is hugging and kissing your dear grandmother (or other venerable family member). Or greeting a best friend who has led or helped guide you through tough times–a hug and happy embrace. Since it’s tough to hug an icon or the cross, we make do with prostrations and crossing ourselves–but we still kiss.

    If you come from a church or family background where such affection is rare (like me) veneration can be a tough sell. If you come from a church background where sacrifice (like Fr Stephen mentions) is absolutely missing (like me), telling the difference is also a tough sell.

    At my first confession, my priest had me confess before the Theotokos. He had to gently instruct me on what to do to venerate her. In the end this “comparison” to my dear Grandmother manifested itself and it all made sense. (I miss her dearly, and she passed nearly 30 years ago.) As I begged for my Grandmother’s prayers, hugs, and kisses, I beg for +Mary’s. That’s veneration.

    If I may, go slowly. Don’t do anything you are not comfortable with. God will put the right person in your path to help guide you where you need to go.

  33. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    Appreciate it Justin.

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