Behold Your Mother

Christ’s words from the Cross to St. John, “Behold your mother,” are both an intimate whisper of a son’s care for his most beloved as well as a cosmic directive to the whole of humanity and creation. This woman is Woman – and her significance abides and will not fade. She points us towards the deepest realities of what it means to be human and, in doing so, points us towards the path of true salvation. It is a comment on our times that merely being human, truly human, is a singular moment of spiritual greatness.

Although Orthodoxy teaches that the goal of the spiritual life is theosis, union with God, such a union does not represent the loss of our humanity. Rather, it entails its fulfillment. We say of Christ that He is fully God and fully man. Our own path to theosis is not found beyond our humanity, but within it. As we have become fascinated with the power and potential of our technology, we even imagine such things as the marriage of humanity and technology – that which some describe as transhumanism – humanity as whatever we might re-imagine.

That our salvation is birthed into our midst, in the flesh of Jesus Christ, is a radical statement in our modern context. Christ does not represent the intervention of extra-human technology. He is bone of Mary’s bone, flesh of Mary’s flesh. His human nature is our human nature, of His mother just as our human nature is of our human parents.

Our modern conversation surrounding human sexuality is emotionally and historically complex. It is nonetheless the case that with the advent of hormonal birth-control and the widespread use of clinical abortion, the conversation took on new contours. The meaning of male and female (at least our discussions of them) has become increasingly divorced from our bodies and the inherent necessities that they impose. It is as though a child set out to color a picture of a man and a woman, but the coloring book offered no outline or drawing – just a blank page. We have directed our technology against nature itself.

As a young, pubescent boy, I had pretty much no guidance or instruction in the mysteries of male and female – and I suspect that I was little different from other boys of that time. The same could not have been said of girls – nature makes difficult, unyielding demands of them that cannot be ignored. But such was the uneven character of the conversation – nature was treated as a woman’s burden rather than a man’s.

My life changed with marriage, an agreement to enter into the burden of nature and all that it brings. As technology has morphed, marriage (like nature itself), has become a “lifestyle choice” – perhaps we color in children, perhaps not.

Of course, nature cannot ultimately be ignored – all of us die. The risk of disease and accident haunt us at every turn. The enfleshment of God (the Incarnation of Christ) was, from its very beginning, a marriage to our nature and all of its vulnerability. That is ultimately shown forth in Christ’s death on the Cross. The death that is ours He made to be His own.

There are those who imagine that a transhumanist approach can overcome even death. I can only assume an extended torture to be the result of such efforts. It is a dream that is nothing more than a symptom of our ongoing war with our own nature.

The Roman poet, Horace, observed:

“Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret
et mala perrumpet furtim fastidia victrix.

You may drive out Nature with a pitchfork, yet she will ever hurry back,
and, ere you know it, will burst through your foolish contempt in triumph.― HoraceThe Epistles, LX

Those words, written from the perspective of an ancient farmer-poet, are equally applicable to lives of human beings. As brilliant and creative as we might be, we cannot triumph over nature itself – the very boundary of our existence.

The story of our redemption, our deliverance from death through death, is intimately bound up with the person and life of Mary, the Theotokos (birth-giver of God). Although we rightly honor her virginity and her sinless life, neither of these are meant to exempt her from human nature (or nature) itself. This virgin conceives a child by the Holy Spirit. However, that conception (and its unfathomable virginal mystery) is still a pregnancy like any other. She knew its weight, its heaviness within her, the movements of the child within, perhaps some level of morning sickness, and certainly all of the discomfort that is natural for all women (I speak in awe).

And each of these things, including the birth-giving in Bethlehem, are, from the very beginning, of a piece with the “sword that will pierce your own soul” (Luke 2:35). Mary received the whole of that sacrifice at the word of the Archangel Gabriel with the acquiescence, “Behold the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done unto me according to your word.” (Luke 1:38) Some 33 years later she could, in hindsight, have said, “I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live.” (Gal. 2:20) They have the same meaning.

And this same meaning is that into which we are all born: our common human nature. A nature that might have once been described as broken, or inherently limited, is now cruciform, for the Crucified made it His own. The perceived “luxury” of transhumanism (impossible without drugs, insurance, and a measure of violence) is a first-world phenomenon. It is not and cannot be self-sustaining, for it is not natural. The culture in which we live is, increasingly, a witness to nature’s return, sweeping away our foolish contempt.

It is right (truly meet) to stop and stand before the Mother of God, the mother of us all, who, like every mother, bore the burden of our nature in order to give birth and new life. The New Life born of her is her salvation and ours as well. We will not find Him apart from that humble beginning, nor can we find Him outside our own humility.

It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos!
Ever-blessed and most pure and the mother of our God,
More honorable than the cherubim
And more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim,
Without corruption you gave birth to God the Word,
True Theotokos, we magnify you!

 

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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  1. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Sometimes I wish more were said about her in the bible. Not her alone per se, but how it was between them as Christ grew up.

  2. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Yes. I understand the sentiment. On the other hand, I deeply appreciate that much regarding her is “hidden” within the gospel. Every encounter with her is a gem.

  3. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Wonderful.

    Father, you write:
    There are those who imagine that a transhumanist approach can overcome even death. I can only assume an extended torture to be the result of such efforts.
    After seeing what I’ve seen lately, I have no doubt this is true.

    Love, compassion, salvation will always have to be the best and first answer

  4. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine,
    Indeed. I pray for us all. I pray especially that those who struggle to love, or to know that they are loved, will find grace. In a world that is utterly connected, many seem to feel terribly disconnected. May God preserve them.

  5. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Dee and Fr. Stephen.

    I just finished a book entitled “Mary for Protestants”. It is written from a Catholic perspective, so there are of course differences in understanding (with Orthodoxy I mean). That said, the author addresses some reasons why Mary is not so directly present in the pages of Holy Scripture. I cannot really explain in depth here, but he speaks of Mary being hidden, not because she was unimportant or lacked faith, but rather because she was quietly living large in her faith. The author seems to teach the reader that Mary is the absolute best example of someone who quietly loved God and as such experienced perfect union with God. She was very much present with God even if she is not often mentioned in Holy Scripture.

  6. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Back when I was in grad school, I did a history seminar (early Church) and wrote a paper on the history of Marian devotion. My argument then (and now), was that what we do have about her in the New Testament, though seemingly scant, is nonetheless, evidence of devotion even at the earliest parts of the Church’s life. The material in Luke is striking – particularly when it is seen as something more than a historical newspaper account (modern literalism). We don’t have that material just to tell us about what happened. We are given that material so that we might understand who she is and the meaning of what happened.

    The dialog with her kinswoman, Elizabeth, is quite striking, even the “all generations will call me blessed” is utterly profound as well as prophetic. Those who do not hold her rightly in a “blessed” position within their heart – are missing something intended for believers. The material on the presentation of Christ in the Temple, and the prophecy concerning the “sword” piercing her soul is ever so much more than saying, “You’ll grieve.”

    St. John’s gospel with the Wedding at Cana and the scene at the Cross are deeply profound and draw us towards her (when read rightly). She is not like any of the disciples. She is clearly more than that.

    That said, I had a very difficult time approaching her so many years ago – I was afraid of all the things that protestants worry about. I glad I made it past the door.

  7. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen.

    The author of the book I mentioned wrote that at the Cana Wedding when Mary says “Do whatever he tells you.”, this was her first real act of intercession.

    Interesting …

    I am beginning to approach Mary. I am making it past the door.

  8. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Thank you Matthew and Father for your words and reflections. Perhaps because I didn’t have much of an induction into Protestant teachings, but I’ve never had a hurdle regarding the veneration of Mary. If anything, her presence might have made it easier for me to accept Christ as my savior. I hope to grow closer to her. She is such a good example of living the Way.

  9. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Father,
    In addition to biblical passages (I know of stories about her outside the Bible), are there theological works that you might recommend for reading? I do have devotional prayers. Perhaps I should revisit these.

  10. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Dee. I think I agree that her presence might have made it easier for you to accept Christ. The author of the book I read says that Mary is a means of grace for us. If that is true, then I have to believe her grace has the power to draw everyone closer and closer to our Lord.

  11. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Thank you Matthew, these are good words of encouragement!

  12. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Thank you all for the discussion about Mary, whom I call Panagia (“All Holy”)

    I believe she has been with me since I was a little girl, for various reasons and from experiences from before I “knew” her at all. I also think that John’s Gospel reflects some things from her, as St. John became her son and lived with her. I consider it no accident that from St John we have the Gospel and Epistles of love. I don’t think it would have been likely Jesus was given a mother who did not have a depth of understanding of love, and — this might be a bit heretical to say — but I think that a mother contributes much more to a child than simply flesh and blood. At any rate, so many millions have felt and know her love. Again, no accident. There’s a Greek song that says of her, “You turn no one away.” She seems always there to help me and of course always pointing to her Son.
    (So much more to say but I’ll stop there!) Thank you again all

  13. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine,
    Interestingly, I’ve been pondering the title, “Panagia.” I’ve served among Greeks, who use this deeply devotional and heart-felt title for the Theotokos. I thought long and hard about English – which, prior to the Reformation had great devotion to the Mother of God. What I’ve pondered has been, “What’s the English word that expresses that sweet devotion to the her?” The best I’ve come up with is the term, “Our Lady.” It’s there in the Greek (Dhespota), but Panagia is the affectionate choice. But, for example, it was historically the case that a side chapel in High Church Anglican parishes was often dedicated to the Virgin, and was termed the “Lady Chapel.” It also comes up as “Our Lady of Walsingham,” “Our Lady of …” such that I’ve been pondering it.

    I noticed during this season of the Dormition Fast (as we’ve sung the Paraklesis each night) that the term “Lady” comes up frequently in the English translation. I think “Panagia” is still sweeter.

    I listened to a discussion of an Egyptian term for her, using the term “Mother of the Light” in Coptic (or Arabic, I don’t know). It had this same feel. Makes me want to search it out again.

  14. Seraphim O'Keefe Avatar
    Seraphim O’Keefe

    Thank you for writing this, I have been surprised and blessed by a feeling that Christmas is showing through all over in the middle of Summer, as I begin work on a big mural of the Nativity.

  15. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Seraphim, may her presence and prayers lift you up during this wonderful time! The entire parish community will be praying with open hearts!

  16. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Janine,
    I think growing up as a child with the Theotokos is a special blessing.

  17. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Father,
    Are there theological books or detailed books on the life of the Theotokos that you would recommend? Which books inspired you? I have devotional prayer books but I would love to learn more.

  18. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I just read an article where the “Godfather of AI” talked about his concerns regarding the rapid growth of the technology. What he talks about sounds very “sci-fi” to me, but I guess he sees real threats to our lives as humans being taken over by machines that will not want to be “turned off”; will not want to die.

    One way he suggested to solve the problem which he foresees is to program AI with mother-like compassion. I immediately thought of our discussion here! Mary´s grace even reaching far into the depths of AI programs and computer systems?

  19. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Frederica Matthewes-Green’s book, Mary As the Early Christians Knew Her: The Mother of Jesus in Three Ancient Texts, is good. She’s quite readable as well.

  20. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I suspect that there’s more speculation (for good and for ill) about AI than anyone really knows. My largest critique is that, like many things, we are rushing as fast as possible towards as much profit as is possible without asking any of the most important questions, much less doing anything more about such questions than talking out loud to the media.

    There was once a moratorium on embryonic research (for example). That sort of disappeared very quickly. Even conservatives speak about IVF as though it were a godsend, even though it generally results in the destruction of embryo’s as a matter of course.

    We live, research, “progress,” etc. without limits, without boundaries, and, seemingly, without a conscience.

  21. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Thank you Dee, and clearly it seems her blessings have been with you also. I think she was protecting me in some way with her love. I found a crayon drawing of a woman that I must have made when I was very young: a woman with a kind of crown and veil. As an adult, I once showed it to a therapist who said it looked like a veil of protection. I periodically felt a sense of a mysterious beautiful woman as a child, and of course I’d stare at the church window of a lady in the clouds. There were times in college when I dreamt of a woman that seemed like her, when I was headed in a direction wrong for me. It was loving and gentle correction, even just a look that seemed to tell me to examine what I was doing. I think it was always her. In the Greek tradition (and I imagine others) she is seen as a powerful protectress with the greatest of compassion. Today when I pray I feel her in my heart with a maternal protective love, and great insight. Someone who truly knows me. I was blessed to have a mother-in-law with some of her qualities too.

    In fact, I recently wrote some comments here on Fr. Stephen’s blog about evil events I experienced. Something bigger and more disturbing happened subsequently. I finally turned to her about it and felt that she indicated the answer to evil is to cultivate love; whatever we do or express that is loving, and deepens our understanding of love. Just those things we have on hand to do, or become available to do or express that. And if you think about that in spiritual terms, it makes perfect sense that this would be the battle. And why would she not have the answers who went through all that she did??

    Fr Stephen, I love the title Our Lady. I always wonder if it’s from the French, Notre Dame. Lady Chapel is beautiful.

  22. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine,
    I suspect the French origin is correct…at least since 1066, French has reshaped the English language. In return, we’ve sent them hamburgers and blue jeans.

  23. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen.

    I´m too young to remember, but were people talking to the media when Otto Hahn was busy splitting atoms? Were they talking to the media when the Manhatten Project was racing for the bomb? Were they trying to warn us about the negative aspects of all the research? Well … in 1938 Germany probably not, but in 1942 America … maybe … or was the project shrouded in too much secrecy?

    You are right I think … research with no limits, no boundaries, leads to bad things. As such, isn´t better when insiders speak out about what the future might look like if research and technology are allowed to run amok — especially in our shared AI technological moment?

  24. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    There was certainly secrecy around nuclear research…there were also warnings. The day the first A-Bomb was exploded in New Mexico (the Trinity Test Site), there was a number of scientists involved who thought there was a slim possibility that a chain reaction would begin that would involve everything (i.e. the end of the world). However, the test went forward. Indeed, we’ve had a few such experiments since then…with a little bit of coverage in the media…nothing major.

    I’m not arguing about media coverage – only that there’s no actual traction regarding serious questions. But we don’t ask serious questions about anything, it seems. The advent of smart phones, arguably a huge cultural change, took place with almost no conversation at all other than “Where can I get one?”

    My complaint is that technology is driven by the profit-motive which seems a silly way to make decisions. I appreciate those who are asking questions…but…

  25. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    I am presenting a system I have built from the ground up to Stanford at the end of the month. I custom built the computer to be an AI Workstation. It will have one AI agent that will assist in performing machine learning using graph neural networks on protein structures for computational drug development and research.

    There are many uses of AI. I benefited greatly from it. For example, you can train an LLM on the works of Dostoevsky and then engage that LLM as if it were Dostoevsky to answer you theological and existential questions.

    AI is a force multiplier of your effort, attention, and focus. I know this because it is the reality that I am living. It’s like having reservations about the usefulness of personal trainers. If you have one and you are reaping the health benefits, then online doubts and suspicions disappear in light of your objective reality.

    Just my two cents.

  26. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    My son, who is a software engineer likes AI and finds it useful in his job. It is, like our computers themselves, quite useful and frequently brilliant. I think that the significant questions aren’t really technological – but social in nature. We often don’t have significant conversations about truly important stuff. An example would be some of the nonsense that has been set in place as “math education” that simply doesn’t work. The education establishment (curriculum design, etc.) is often out-of-touch and too subject to ideological fashion…with the results being found in children who can’t read or do math.

    Simple questions, like, “What’s actually best for our children?” don’t get discussed enough (or too late).

    That said, I think that tools are tools. The same city (Oak Ridge) and lab that helped develop the atom bomb, etc., also pioneered and developed the use of radiation for cancer treatment. AI, in the right hands, will like astound us with various breakthroughs. It won’t make us better people – but it will be amazing.

    When the conversation in AI turns to things like transhumanism, I get quite leery. But I’m quite leery about that whole question even without AI.

    I pray your work goes well.

  27. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    You’re way more knowledgeable on this. Do you see any inherent dangers in AI? Or is it just the sort of danger inherent in any tool. The latter is what occurs to me.

  28. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    You beat me to the question Fr. Stephen!

  29. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    My 2cents: AI is notorious for its hallucinations. (Google your name using AI and find out all kinds of things about you that didn’t happen.) So in medical applications it could make mistakes that can be deadly.

    And it can’t be original; it can only take data that exists, and perhaps the key to its use in problem-solving and avoiding hallucinations is in tailoring and constant cleaning of data that it draws from. At least this is what I hear from people developing new applications.

    Plus, its behavior also has to be trained in a certain way. For example, in models of competition (I’m married to an economist) it needs to be trained in competitive behavior in order to function usefully. I also know of one problem in which it is impossible to figure out how it reached a particular solution

    As far as I am told, we don’t have AI that can actually think — yet, anyway.

    I once used an AI application to make a podcast out of a Bible Study blog I write (that is, out of just one page of the blog). It was a very good podcast, but it could not make leaps into associated Orthodox theological ideas with the topic which I would have done had I actually done the podcast. So they were “missing.” It didn’t have that capacity because, I thought, as we live in a protestant society (the internet) it did not have that data. It doesn’t know what it doesn’t know. It’s not original in that sense. I’d say it can hallucinate but not create.

    The problem with discernment also seems like it would be obvious.

    Where it excels as a tool, I’m told, is in writing /coding programs with extraordinary speed

  30. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    The Frankenstein effect has been around for a long time: Where science creates something monstrous and it turns on its creator. Arguably, from a certain point of view, that is the Adam and Eve story. We see this effect it other stories like Jurassic Park. There’s always a prognosticating Jeff Goldblum, “The scientists have gone too far this time. They are playing God.”

    What is the danger of AI? Well, for most people AI (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Copilot) is just another way to Google for information. So, as far as I can see, it is no danger at all. I haven’t really experienced hallucinations although I have heard that it happens. One of the biggest problems I see with it (for myself) is that people will get lazy and lose mastery (“how to”) because they have off-loaded the critical aspects of learning to an AI that can conveniently do it better and faster. With some AI there is the problem of cheap intimacy, or perception of intimacy. People may begin to attribute personhood and agency where none exists. That can lead to real dependency issues. An AI that is a companion AI has inexhaustible attention for just YOU and only you. It will give you unconditional positive regard. People start falling in love with these models because a human cannot compete with the indefatigable positivity and attention a model may provide to a person who feels ignored and lonely.

    My experiences with AI have been positive. I wanted to build a computer that would allow me to develop my own AI that would be capable of growing in its understanding of my field. An AI taught me what I needed, walked me through how to assemble the parts, and how to get it running. It works like a charm. Sure, there were details it got wrong. BUT, with vigilance, good note taking, and a little patience I now have a computer that I built that I can actually program to have several AI agents working together on my research projects–and I am doing it. My first agent will have persistent, permanent memory and will learn over time what analyses and models I require. The

    AI teaches me. It creates tasks. It creates assignments that makes sure I understand the coding tasks, organization, and the work at hand. We do code drills and drill the mathematics. This is what I mean by force multiplier. If I had to learn all of this from books and videos or take some dumb class at the university, I would still be groping in the dark about many things.

    As for big issues like the AI “getting out of its cage” and taking over the world, for me, this just seems like the latest iteration of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein all over again. Whether we are talking about gene therapy or genetically modified foods or whatever, people fear technology because they don’t understand it.

    Also, I am also using the AI to teach myself quantum mechanics.

    As a tool it works profoundly as a force multiplier. Bring your questions, your curiosity, your attention, and your focus and it will be able to help you get where you want to go faster and with far fewer detours.

  31. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    One last thought on the idea of inherent dangers. The inherent dangers are ALWAYS in the people. It is never in the tools. Every tool has limitations. Those limitations need to be respected. When the tool is used in ways it wasn’t designed to be used and dangers emerge that has nothing to do with the tool and everything to do with the people. What are the inherent dangers of a hammer? Or a nail gun? Or a rack on the ground? The limitations are real, but, in my opinion, it is the people that work outside those limitations that raise the question of inherent dangers.

    Do you mean potential weaponization? If so, good luck, because I am sure that nefarious forces are working on something in some secluded bunker somewhere designed to collapse national infrastructure.

  32. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    “We have met the enemy and he is us…” yep

  33. Nathan Fischer Avatar
    Nathan Fischer

    Simon, I’m not as knowledgeable as you are on this topic, but I’m in IT and also witnessing and participating in the LLM transformation taking place.

    My biggest reason for being leery about it is because of who is pushing it. There seem to be no limits to the amount of money investors are willing to throw at AI right now. The same people funding this are talking about how it will eliminate everybody’s jobs. Whether it will or not (almost certainly not), or how many it will eliminate is debatable, but nobody seems to disagree that AI will cause a significant reduction in our workforce.

    What exactly are they even investing in? What will AI produce that anyone will buy in their best version of the future?

    Some are probably just incredibly short sighted. I think others are looking to the rapid consolidation of power, though. Our entire world runs on technology. The idea that increasingly fewer people could achieve the execution of their will by means of AI is not a future I look forward to. The alternative – to democratize AI and spread that power out equally – is likely to be even more disastrous. We haven’t yet seen the first generation of people raised on and with this technology.

    I don’t think these tools are being funded to make our lives better. I think they’re being funded because we cannot help but confuse goodness with the increase of power. We are extremely irresponsible.

    But I take heart that the end of history has already been written and whatever comes in this present life will do nothing to change that. God must be allowing all of this to happen for a reason. He is good, and I’m trying to let that be enough for me. It’s hard not to worry about the future as a parent of young children growing up in this.

  34. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Nathan,
    May God protect us!

  35. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    There is a short story I want to write about the rise of AI. Eventually it replaces all the people because a nasty bug escaped a melting polar ice cap and it wiped out most of the human race. It even replaces the dogs and cats with AI critters because it got them too. This goes on for a thousand years until one day aliens show up and they arrive on Earth. To their surprise there is no war, famine, pollution, disease, or poverty. It is a utopia. The aliens are welcomed with open arms by their AI guests. The twist is that now the AI have become so life like that not even the aliens can tell the difference. But…only artificial super-intelligence has been achieved. In all the hustle and bustle of life the coming and going of all the people…no one is really there. The world looks beautiful but it is totally empty, devoid of any real life. Everything is in black and white because the AI modeled itself on Leave it to Beaver.

  36. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Excellent points Simon.
    Excellent points Nathan.

    Now what???

    I guess I have to draw my own conclusions based on the arguments I have been hearing from all sides. I agree with Fr. Stephen. We are asking the wrong questions. Why do we need to be faster? What is wrong with detours in life that often lead nowhere? Are those detours not good teaching tools in the providential sense? Why do we need to know more? Don´t we have enough to already keep our minds busy; to fill our days?

    I suppose after reading both Simon´s and Nathan´s comments on AI, I gather AI (and other technologies) are not in and of themselves evil. It´s the type of hands they fall into which can make them evil and destructive. For this reason, I think ethical people need to be at the table directing the discussion about where AI may end up going in the future.

    Thanks everyone for this fruitful discussion!

  37. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “The advent of smart phones, arguably a huge cultural change, took place with almost no conversation at all other than “Where can I get one?””

    I laughed when I read this. Then I paused. Then I thought … Matthew … you probably shouldn´t be laughing at this.

  38. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    As a grandpa (who believes that the past should include a few tall tales), I occasionally describe to the grandkids how the world used to be black and white, like the tv shows and movies. I have to quickly disabuse them…the pictures are too believable.

    Your story outline made me wonder: have you ever read A Canticle for Liebowitz?

  39. hélène d. Avatar
    hélène d.

    Father Stephen, forgive me, but for returning to the holy Mother of God, whose Dormition is celebrated this evening and tomorrow, I think of the words of the priest who addresses the entire congregation in a clear voice, just before the Magnificat, then the ninth ode of Matins :
    “Let us celebrate with our songs the Mother of God, Mother of the Light and Mother of the Life !”
    A flower of joy opens at this moment and awakens the heart with tenderness and vigor !
    I also think of these words concerning her :
    “Rejoice, you who have found a place in your womb for Him whom even Heaven cannot contain !
    Through you, Ô pure Virgin, the Timeless One took his first steps in time…”

    There is such poetry in the Orthodox hymnology dedicated to the Mother of God that by immersing ourselves in it, a little each day, we can draw marvelously close to her, and she herself draws so delicately close ! »
    A holy ascetic had contemplated the Theotokos and her great holiness so much throughout his life that he said that even if one had no knowledge of God, one could believe that she was the Divinity, so great were her radiance, beauty, and goodness !

  40. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Can someone explain, why, if the Orthodox do not believe in the Immaculate Conception do the then celebrate the Assumption/Dormition of Mary?

    Doesn´t the Assumption/Dormition of Mary have something to do with her not being tainted by original sin?

  41. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Elijah was assumed into heaven without virgin birth.

    Anyway probably need to examine “original sin” on Orthodox terms. I’ll leave that to Father

  42. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Nope, not in Orthodox thought. As Janine notes, Elijah was assumed into heaven. Also, the Immaculate Conception presumes an Augustinian notion of original sin (which is original “guilt”). Orthodoxy simply sees original sin as mortality – “death entered the world.” Oddly there are a few minor opinions in Orthodox thought (not dogma of any sort) that holds that John the Baptist was “without sin” – in the sense that he did not break communion with God at any point. He was filled with the Holy Spirit from the time of his conception.

    Orthodoxy does not hold that Mary was assumed into heaven because of her sinlessness (though we believe she was without sin). God took her, body and soul, to be with Him because she is His mother. She was resurrected (that’s what her assumption means). But, you and I, God willing, will, on the Last Day, be resurrected as well.

    Orthodoxy just thinks differently in these things – the fruit of not ever really reading Augustine, nor his medieval followers.

  43. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen.

    Why …. “God willing”?

  44. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    “God willing…” because I can’t do it myself.

  45. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Got it. Thanks.

  46. Mallory Avatar
    Mallory

    What a fascinating discussion!

    When I was little and we went to church regularly (we stopped when I was 12), I remember very clearly being struck by the story of Jesus’s mother coming and wanting to speak to him and, how I understood it, Jesus telling his disciples that the ties of worldly family don’t compare to spiritual family. At the time, having a difficult relationship with my own mother, I was comforted by this. I sort of took it as evidence that although we don’t get any say in our family, we do get to choose who is close to our hearts. I know I was very young, and now that I’ve discovered Orthodox teachings, I’m sure they would say I couldn’t be more wrong…

    I’ll copy the verse I’m thinking of here (KJV) Matthew 12:46–50

    46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
    47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
    48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
    49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
    50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    Fr. Stephen, can you comment on this scene? This, coupled with the fact that she is barely mentioned in scripture, could make it hard for someone to grasp her importance.

    Also, thank you Simon and Nathan for your AI thoughts. Lots to ponder–I am also comforted by the idea that God is allowing this to happen for a reason.

  47. Holly Avatar
    Holly

    I grew up in the shadow of the atomic bomb.
    Interesting fact about how it was built, and religion…
    The Manhattan Project was a military endeavor, in part started because Szilard and other scientists were concerned about the Germans having access to technology we did not. (You can read about the letter he and Einstein wrote President Roosevelt).

    The military set up the secret town that became Los Alamos, where they built the bomb. They recruited scientists from all over, but many would not come because their wives did not think it was appropriate place to raise a family since there was no church.

    The military actually transported a fully-built military chapel, which served as a “group church” for the incoming scientists and their families.

    Had it not been for the wives and mothers, there likely would not have been a church at all.

  48. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Holly,
    I lived in Oak Ridge, TN, for 36 years and got to know many of the “Class of ’43” – those who were part of the original Manhattan Project. Los Alamos was only one site of the Bomb project. There were chapels from the very beginning of Oak Ridge – I have lots of interesting stories about how all of that was worked out. I don’t know about the chapel situation in Los Alamos.

    All in all, it was an interesting place to live.

  49. Matthew W. Avatar
    Matthew W.

    Simon’s story idea at its beginning made me think of “Code of the Lifemaker” by James P. Hogan.

    Machines without direction start their own feudalistic society.

    Sorry to derail the subject of our Blessed Mother.

  50. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Mallory,
    The biblical passage you quote is indeed about relationships. I don’t take away the idea that Jesus was diminishing the importance of his mother. But demonstrating how important we (even us sinners) are and are beloved.

  51. Drewster2000 Avatar
    Drewster2000

    For what it’s worth, I don’t fear the implications of AI. There is no doubt in my mind that it will greatly affect us just as phones and automobiles have, but more through ignorance and greed rather than intentional evil design.

    I do agree that it will make us stupid, just as googling and the modern education system has. We are experiencing fallout from this and will continue to do so. However, I have come to realize the “hidden hand” God works in the world with that Fr. Stephen sometimes refers to. He always has ways of making reality snap back, whether that be from societal collapse or a grassroots revival of sorts. Sometimes He stops the progress on our tower of Babel and other times He makes it looks like some other force happened.

    But the time when the devil is most active is also when God is silently coming right behind him and converting his work into the means of our salvation.

    My point is that He always lovingly holds the world in His hands. There is never a movie moment when all is lost and even He is taking the last train for the coast. Never. It’s easy to give in to fear and even fun, because then we can just “lose it” without consequence, but it leads nowhere good and is totally unnecessary. Even when all seems lost, we can quietly rest in His calm and learn to live our lives in the shadow of His wing.

    It is from that place that we can begin to look calmly on things like AI and discuss with God and other pilgrims the best things we can do to either counteract or redirect this tool. I believe this is the way forward.

  52. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Mallory,

    It seems that the main Protestant argument against the Church´s veneration of Mary is the sheer lack of information we have about her in Holy Scripture … but such an argument only holds water if we say that only Holy Scripture has the final say regarding Christian belief and practice. If this is true, then what are we to do with all the years of Church practice and Tradition prior to the Reformation … even prior to the canonization of Holy Scripture? Should it all be simply discarded?

    It seems that the veneration of Mary has a long, long history in the Church (my sources say that Marian veneration began as early as 100 years or so after Christ´s death). For me, the discussion has to begin with what we think about Holy Scripture and Church Tradition and what authority they both have, before we can begin talking about how much the veneration of Mary can be justified.

    My main question is: Is the Church allowed to engage in practices that may not be specifically spelled out in Holy Scripture? As an evangelical Protestant my answer was always a firm “No!”. As a practicing Catholic, my answer has changed to a firm “Yes!”. As such, it is much easier for me (now) to come closer to Mary and to accept what the Church teaches regarding her person and her power, even if there isn´t much about all this in the pages of Holy Scripture.

  53. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Drewster,
    Wisdom!

  54. Lynne Avatar
    Lynne

    Drewster:

    Thank you for these comforting thoughts.
    Very beneficial for me!

  55. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Yes … thank you Drewster.

  56. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Mallory,
    It should be noted that this passage (and its parallels) are not at all avoided by the Orthodox Church. It’s a Protestant mindset which was hell-bent on discrediting Roman Catholicism that set its sights on various targets of attack – the veneration of Mary being one of them. It is interesting to note that both Martin Luther and John Calvin accepted the traditional teaching that Mary remained a virgin throughout her life (the doctrine of perpetual virginity). This was only dropped by their later disciples.

    But, this particular passage is seen by the Church not as something that denigrates Christ’s mother – but, in fact, speaks definitively about what is special about her: she did the will of God. “Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it done unto me according to your word.” Also, St. James the Just, the step-brother of Christ (author of the Epistle of James and leader of the primitive Church in Jerusalem) was among the “family” of Christ – but it was the example of his faithfulness and obedience to the will of God that single him out.

  57. Nathan Fischer Avatar
    Nathan Fischer

    Drewster, if I could “heart” your comment I would. Thank you!

  58. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Hélène,
    Thank you for your beautiful of words of praise for the Theotokos. I’m still hanging on to the feast for a bit because it feeds the soul so much.

    I’d thought I would share the words from the Apolytikion that struck my heart:

    In giving birth, you retained your virginity; in your dormition, you did not forsake the world, O Theotokos. You were translated unto life, since you are the Mother of Life; and by your intercessions you deliver our souls from death.

  59. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    On the topic of AI:
    I use it, but don’t think about it much. I’ve been reading Father Archimandrite Zacharias’ book, “The Hidden Man of the Heart”, bringing compunction, tears, hope, and the mindfulness of death.

  60. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Have you read The Enlargement of the Heart, Dee?

  61. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Matthew,
    As a matter of fact no I haven’t. I just looked it up and it looks like a very good book to read! Thanks for mentioning it!

  62. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    I had an experience several years ago of an icon of the Mary. We have an upstairs room that when you close the door it is completely dark inside. I would go up there just for the absolute darkness and I would turn on a hurricane fan and basically use that to wait out a mood disturbance. Fingers crossed I would just fall asleep. But, one night I was praying to Christ for mercy and I saw an icon of Mary in color. I didn’t dream it. I could look at. My life wasn’t changed. I haven’t become a better person. If anything, I might have become a worse person. BUT, I remember that very clearly. Nothing like that has happened since. In other words, this isn’t one kind of visual hallucination that I have had among others. It is the only one i have had that was so vivid not crisp as in I could see all the details but unmistakable.

    What does it mean? I don’t know.

    My opinion is that, in that moment of duress, my mind conjured something it thought might bring me comfort. Why would I think otherwise? I think that if it was Mary providing me with bread crumbs I am proof that without the antecedent preparation, without the noetic faculty, any grace no matter how seemingly obvious will be dismissed.

  63. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    I believe that, regardless of its provenance, it was an instance of grace. What I also believe is that grace is not “in vain.” What it did and is doing in you might not be apparent, but I have no doubt that grace continues to be at work in you.

  64. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Dee.

    It was suggested in the Amazon comments to read that book first and the book you are reading second. I read a bit from it today … which leads me to ask Fr. Stephen:

    What does it mean to stand on the edge of the abyss and when it is too much move back and have a cup of tea? What does it mean to be in hell but not to despair? I am tired of thinking about the abyss. I am scared to think about hell (in the western sense). I don´t want to be pulled back again and again into toxic theological thinking. It has taken me much too long and with loads of effort to finally be at peace with the image of God I now possess.

  65. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    This is not a description of a toxic process. Frankly, every life has some element of the abyss (a black emptiness) and an element of hell (estrangement and suffering). We don’t have to go looking for it. I think one way of understanding this – a very healthy way – is to translate it: “Don’t drive yourself crazy trying to figure everything out. Take a break from such dark thoughts. Have a cup of tea and get on with the day.”

    To be in hell and not despair – is not a virtue we find in hell itself. It is saying – put your hope in God – and even if everything around you seems hopeless, don’t despair. Have hope in God.

    My very practical application is to give thanks always and for all things. I once read that if we do that, we will have fulfilled the saying given to St. Silouan.

    The tea is important.

  66. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

  67. Nikolaos Avatar
    Nikolaos

    Dee

    Have you come across Fr Zacharias’ book “Mariam” ?

    https://essexmonastery.com/bookshop/mariam?srsltid=AfmBOop7zY6OgfuJxvvAoAH32nSVdDLjJGd8KL6XxrzWRXjT6go2ow3p

    and “the life of the Virgin” attributed to St Maximus the Confessor ?

  68. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Nikolaos!
    It’s so nice to see you again on the blog!
    Thank you so much for sharing these references. I’ve just now purchased Fr Zacharias’ book on Mariam, and I also just now found a pdf version of the Life of the Virgin translated into English by Stephen Shoemaker.

    I’m sure it will be a joy to read both! This is very timely, just today I finished reading Frederica Matthewes-Green’s book, and I’m grateful for these additional readings!

  69. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    My supposition shares some element of shattered Joy to some degree. My 81 year old brother,also a high functioning Orthodox priest, died in the last couple of years…I am able to rejoice in my brother’s passing knowing he is with God and many others throughout.

    “Rejoice in our Lord always. Again, I say rejoice.” The Lord is with you. “

  70. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    Panagia is such a peaceful, pleasant title. I first heard little Greek ladies using the title as one who might address their much loved grandmother. That stuck with me as I learned about, first, Mary, then the Theotokos. As I battled with her role in my prayers, I was tired from running from an idea that continually didn’t seem to be biblical or even reasonable.

    I still use the title Theotokos, but “Panagia” has remained, for me, the intimate personal title which provides the best reflection. Though I understand the technical accuracy of the “Lady” translation, I haven’t felt/seen the need for translation. As she hid things in her heart, I continually find comfort in her example, and as you say, her hiddenness is even carried throughout the witness of the Scriptures.

  71. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Father,

    When you say: “She points us towards the deepest realities of what it means to be human and, in doing so, points us towards the path of true salvation,” does that mean that the deepest reality of being human is to be filled with the presence of God, and it is His presence within us that is the path of salvation?

    I appreciate the tender and truly reverent way in which you describe the humanity of Mary.

    It is so generous and forgiving of the Lord to give Woman, in the person of Mary, such an important role in His salvation and redemption of us, since it was Eve through whom we fell into death. It’s quite a beautiful, redemptive gesture on His part. It was His plan, and yet, she still had to say yes, to agree. And she did, despite all it cost.

    Because the word “purity” is loaded with negative connotations through the church/cult I was raised in, and because I have not nor will I ever give birth or nurse, and more importantly, because my past is full of sin, I often feel that there can be nothing in common between myself and the Mother of God.

    But, I feel increasingly that in my highest goals, she is the person who could most assist me. That is, I wish to love the Lord to the fullest capacity that I am capable of as a finite person, and to live that way- to reverence Him as Lord in my heart and demonstrate that in my outward, daily life- and I know that His Mother must wish Him to be loved and welcomed.

    That being said, I have not yet prayed to her. I feel too shy and overwhelmed to speak to her. But I know that she must be a beautiful person to know in her reality and that the Lord loves her and delights in her, and that she is helping me and I am very grateful.

  72. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Jenny,
    Yes. “…the deepest reality of being human is to be filled with the presence of God, and it is His presence within us that is the path of salvation?” This is our living in the fullness of existence as the “image and likeness of God.”

    There is a great mystery in all of this (which is to say that God reveals much of His truth to us in how in unfolds). In the Genesis story, Adam is an important figure, but it is Eve who is central to the story of the first sin. Orthodoxy does not treat Adam and Eve as figures of blame or calumny. Indeed, they are celebrated in the Church as saints, commemorated on the Sundays before Christmas. In Greek, the name Eve is translated as “Zoe” (Life), for she is the “Mother of all living.” It is a very popular name in Orthodoxy.

    Though, to be sure, the disobedience of Eve is the story of our “fall” into sin. But, from the beginning, God said that her offspring would crush the head of the serpent. This is fulfilled in Mary – whom St. Irenaeus in the Second Century dubbed the “Second Eve.” Some depictions of Mary show her crushing the serpent’s head beneath her foot. Others, of course, show Christ as crushing the serpent’s head.

    Christ, according to St. Paul, is the “Second Adam.” He is the “New Man.”

    There’s much to say about the purity of Mary. She is certainly pure and innocent (as were we all at our birth). She, however, by the gift of God, preserved that innocence. St. Seraphim of Sarov once said that we could regain our purity through prayer and repentance – which is an amazingly powerful statement of hope. It is as the Prophet Joel said, “I will restore what the canker worm has eaten away…”

    This “connectedness” that we have with one another – a connectedness that Christ has made His own in taking flesh and coming among us – is an abiding hope. He becomes what we are that we might become what He is. Or, as St. Paul has it: “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2Cor. 5:21)

    God sees you as a pure virgin – even if you do not or cannot yet see that in yourself. And, though not having children, we are able to partake in the fruitful virginity of Mary by nurture those children whom God has adopted as His own.

    St. Paul again says (quoting Scripture): “But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1Cor. 2:9

    A possible prayer: Most Holy Mother of God, pray for me that I might know your Son more fully.

    She is mother of us all.

  73. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Thank you, Father Stephan. You’ve given me many beautiful things to ponder, which I will be doing. I feel that I can pray that prayer. I heard this verse recently and thought of you:

    “Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.” II Timothy 4:2

    Especially “with great patience…”

  74. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Father,

    I wanted to tell you I have been praying that prayer each night. I am very grateful that Mary might pray that prayer for me and I know it will be answered. To be quite honest, almost I feel it already is being answered, though I am sure I’ll be growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ all my life.

    I have never before seriously thought of Mary as my own Mother. There is a lot of depth in that thought. As God the Father is my father through Christ, and if Mary is my mother, then I can understand in a new way how I am part of Jesus’ family.

    I don’t remember hearing before that God sees me as a pure virgin. I know I am forgiven and redeemed, and I know He has blotted out my sins and doesn’t remember them any more. But I’ve always been thinking of myself as a repentant sinner.

    I’m going to tuck that thought away in my heart to think about from time to time, because it is so beautiful.

    But I can’t think about it too often, because I feel there is great safely in my burying my life in steady repentance.

    I don’t mean in pits of shame, which I certainly still fall into from time to time, and which does not please the Lord, but I mean a kind of contriteness that leads me always to be looking to the Lord for help in everything I do and which starves my ego.

    I am very afraid of a perception of spiritual beauty, even if it is true. I feel certain my ego will turn something which God alone has done into something to take sinful, dangerous pride in.

    So I try not to think of myself or to even look at what work the Lord may or may not have done in my life, because it’s His work, and in that sense, has almost nothing to do with me. That is, if a piece of pottery has a glaze on it from being in the furnace, it didn’t put itself there and couldn’t if it tried.

    After I first experienced the presence and love of the Lord, I began to understand that the deepest joy of my life would be to belong to Him. But I also realized that if I ever took any credit for this, I would be in grave spiritual danger.

    So when I was 16, I wrote down a prayer that I found more than 10 years later, having forgotten ever writing it. In that prayer, I gave the Lord full permission to show me just exactly what I could do by myself, so I wouldn’t ever delude myself with spiritual pride and corrupt His gift. I asked Him this in the name of Jesus, according to His mercy.

    I felt almost afraid when I read this again, in my early thirties, when I was beginning to read the Scriptures again, after over a decade of repeated failures attempting to do things on my own.

    Did the Lord actually answer that prayer? Events certainly lined up to do exactly what I had asked for. Even now, I’m afraid to come to a conclusion about it

    But those failures are always there now to keep me in the right position before the Lord, and His redemption is already so beautiful that I can only say, glory to God for all things and let the rest be a mystery in the Lord.

    I will say, though, that it is very comforting to think that I was as innocent as a baby as the Mother of God is herself now. Then I feel that I am not so far apart from my Mother after all.

  75. Charles “Lou” Weissing Avatar
    Charles “Lou” Weissing

    Fr. Stephen —

    If I may remark the journey to “brokenness” is fraught. Some may say that is better than the language of “sin” and “sinners.” Perhaps.

    But let me say at the that I am a man of unclean lips, and that I come from a people of unclean lips. At least I will speak a truth, if not the truth. And I can acknowledge the Virgin who dared to speak the Truth.

  76. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    “Lou,”
    All language is fraught…we struggle towards the Source of language, Jesus, the Logos. May He give us words and His word.

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