Stumbling Toward Salvation

On occasion I have written on topics that seem to scandalize readers, or certainly cause difficulty for many. Some of those topics have been articles on the wrath of God; the radical forgiveness of everyone for everything; the commonality of our life and our salvation; and various posts on giving thanks always for all things (there are others as well). I am not intentionally contrarian – I do not write in order to create any sensation (sort of). But I have a heart-felt instinct about the path of salvation and the part played by skandalon (a cause of stumbling).

Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame (Romans 9:33).

There is something about the Kingdom of God that causes us to stumble. The Kingdom is marked by scandal. Such a stumbling is inherent in the contradiction of the Kingdom. Christ’s Kingdom is “not of this world.” As such, this world stumbles as it comes in contact with the Kingdom.

I believe that the first and great skandalon is Pascha itself: Christ’s death on the Cross, His descent into Hades, and His resurrection. Indeed St. Paul describes Christ crucified as a skandalon (1 Cor. 1:23). What haunts my thoughts, however, is the rather tame shape taken by the Cross and resurrection in the mind of most Christians. Why are these things not a stumbling block for so many? Why do we so easily track our way through Christian doctrine, finding our own moral failings to be the only “stumbling” within our life? The taming of the Christian faith makes it harmless and without offense. I suspect that this phenomenon marks the conversion of Christianity into a religion – a pious activity that saves none.

Pascha runs utterly contrary to this world: from death comes Life. But this “principle” of Pascha is manifest in many other ways: we lose so that we might gain; we forgive that we might be forgiven; we love those who hate us; we give thanks where no thanks would be expected, etc. All of these actions make sense only in the light of Pascha. They are no less radical, no less scandalous.

It is this “contrarian” nature of Pascha that forms its skandalon. The “Jews” would not have found Christ’s crucifixion to be a stumbling-block (St. Paul’s description), nor the Greeks found his crucifixion to be “foolishness,” were they not contrary to all that these great cultural stalwarts expected. Pascha is not the work of man, but of God. It is the work that undoes death, hell, hatred and greed. “Let us forgive all by the resurrection” (Pascha hymn).

By the same token, the way of the Cross is the way of Pascha, the way of “contradiction” so far as the wisdom and rationality of this world are concerned. The Cross is the rationality of the Kingdom of God.

Without this contrary element, this skandalon, Christianity may be noble or kind, but it falls short of the kingdom. Our faith must not only be about doctrines concerning Christ and what He has done for us (which can easily be reduced to mere religion): our faith must be a way of living that is itself a manifestation of the Cross and resurrection of Christ – a contradiction to the world and an affirmation of the Kingdom of God.

Thus it is that I find myself drawn to those practical instances in which the Kingdom transports us into this “way of contradiction.” The radical demand that we “forgive everyone for everything” is a manifestation of Pascha, a contradiction of the way of retaliation, a proclamation that something has occurred that destroys all such debts. The same is true in the commandment to love those who hate us – nothing could be more contradictory to that which seems reasonable – but it bears witness to the “reason” of Pascha. To give thanks for all things, will take us to a place of contradiction, a place where the goodness of God is utterly triumphant, despite the deep tragedies that confront our lives.

All such gospel actions bring the skandalon of the Kingdom into true focus within our lives. They are invariably the signs that accompany the saints and the invitation to every believer to embrace the Cross and become a witness of the Kingdom.

No idea, no doctrine, no words can replace such actions – united as they are with the actions of Christ and God’s holy Pascha.

There is another rationality of our faith, largely expressed in ideas and words. Its struggle is to believe one thing and not another. But as such, it reduces our faith to one belief system among a world of competing belief systems. The Pascha of Christ is the end of all belief systems. With His crucifixion all human efforts to explain or understand are brought to an end. Indeed, Christ’s Pascha is the end of all things. To walk into Christ’s Pascha, is to walk into the great skandalon, the contradiction of religion and the negation of the reason of this world.

I cannot do more than to suggest such points within the gospel and then struggle to walk in them. The contradiction which we find within such points, I believe, is the very call of the gospel – that which caused Apostles to hesitate. But these very points are the points of salvation. They are the gospel birthed yet again into the world.

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About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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48 responses to “Stumbling Toward Salvation”

  1. John Van Fossen Avatar
    John Van Fossen

    “end of all belief systems”…or….

    Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things,endures all things

  2. Joanna Avatar
    Joanna

    I am grateful for this reminder of what the scandal of the Cross looks like. It’s hard to truly accept and live out but nonetheless it is beautiful and true.

  3. A Reader Avatar
    A Reader

    Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;*
    5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
    6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
    7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
    8 Love never fails. 1 Corinthians 13.

    And it goes on to say that all of our thoughts, words, knowledge – all of our belief systems -that is all incomplete, and when that which is perfect completes us, we will see that these things we clung to failed us. At this point my thoughts go to metanoia, or “after knowing” – that’s when we understand the sin and turn from it – and the process of our wanderings through this life…or the process of becoming Christian (or not).

  4. Mallory Avatar
    Mallory

    Beautiful, yes. This is the kind of writing that brought me back to Christianity after years of searching other pathways. Glory to God! Yet I still sometimes experience the living embodiment of Christ’s contradictory teachings in people who call themselves Buddhist, even one friend who is a devoted follower of A Course in Miracles, which she says could be titled “A Course in Forgiveness”–I know you caution against that text, and plenty of people in my church frown upon Buddhism for some reason, but perhaps only God knows how to bring each soul to these teachings that are not, in most cases, instinctual?

    “No idea, no doctrine, no words can replace such actions – united as they are with the actions of Christ and God’s holy Pascha.” I love this, thank you again! Bless everyone.

  5. John B Holt Avatar
    John B Holt

    This is a most powerful mediation.

    Reason is the ageless Greek culprit that has imprisoned the soul of man and thwarted the worship of God. Oh, reason at first is our friend, our guide, on the “truth journey of discovery and experience.” Let us never fail to give thanks for our Greek friend reason. Indeed, reason is so good to us, so helpful, that reason appears to be “the best of friends,” the “ultimate guide.” The most diligent searcher is well justified to rely on reason and that reliance increases in life with each passing day. That trustworthy reliance on reason explains why we no long merely “walk hand in hand” with reason in our journey but actually “surrender completely” to reason and ask reason to “carry us” on our daily life journey. But at that point of surrender, unfortunately, we forfeit our freedom and become “reason’s prisoner.

    Paradoxically, reason, that has been the path to faith at first, blocks, thwarts, and impedes our transiting, growing, continuing, and flourishing on the most fulfilling and beautiful path and experiencing of truth—mystery and faith. While “[R]eason is in fact the path to faith [and mystery], . . . faith takes over when reason can say no more.” Merton

    Nothing illustrates this truth better than “the great skandalon.” The noble human experience to search for truth has resorted to words and institutions (religion) to aid our life journey for truth, meaning, identify, and significance

    But the Pascal itself and the Kingdom of God are on a path that reason cannot take us. Reason alone cannot carry one, not over, but into “the great skandalon.” The tragedy is two fold: (1) we fail to “embrace the Cross,” experience the gift of divine salvation and eternal life; and (2) we do not experience the divine joy of “becoming” a witness of the Kingdom,” sharing love with others every precious minute, struggling to live as one member of His divine “counterculture” to somehow permit the “overflow” of His blessings to us to touch, heal, and help others.

    It is humbling to acknowledge the limits of the divine gift of reason and indeed all human powers. But in so doing, we experience His greatest gift—His presence and Oneness. This is His paradoxical gift of victory/life in our surrender.

    You continue to shine the light of the path ahead for all at the dead-end” of the path of reason. And you wisely trust the results of your efforts to His divine timely and will. With Gratitude

    With gratitude for sharing every day

  6. Susannah Avatar
    Susannah

    XB! So well said, Father Stephen, and timely for me. A few monbths ago a woman asked to stay a night at my home . As i already had guests that night i told her it was not possible. But on the very night she called needing a place to stay. i was scandalize by her disrespectful audacity and refused to let her stay, even though she said she had no place to else to stay. I stumbed, and though eventually she forgave me, i had no peace about this. I wanted to confess this before receiving holy communion, though as yet i did not understand that it was I who had stumbled. The priest was beginning the Liturgy but i prayed to God about this, He showed me. It was the way of the cross. Somewhere in my inside dwelling there could have been found a space for her. My egotistical and wordly reasoning did in no way justify the suffering that my hardened heart was causing another. The love of Christ would have been forgiving and have invited her in. And, by the Cross and His Holy Communion, Christ’s love will forgive my transgression. Truly He is Risen! Thanks you.

  7. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    A note to all,
    “Reason” as we use the word today is often a caricature of what the word once meant. We have characters such as “Mr. Spock” (Star Trek) who are little more than a machine in their use of “reason.” True reason is a recognition of the Logos, and a discernment of the logicity of the world, the perception of a divine order that is itself revealing of God. Just because some numbers (for instance) are “irrational” doesn’t mean they are not real and true and useful in describing how things actually are (“pi” is a good example).

    I fear that in speak of “the end of all belief systems” some may misunderstand it to mean “anything goes” or “no system at all.” It is rather that God (the Logos) is not a system – He cannot be reduced to syllogisms and such. But the true nature of doctrine, the teaching and tradition of the Church, are not “systems.” They are a verbal icon of the Logos.

    There is a fullness in this. It is not reductionistic. But neither is it chaos.

  8. Nathan Fischer Avatar
    Nathan Fischer

    Thank you, Father. I needed this today. It is very difficult when the overwhelming clanging in my head are the belief systems picked up over a lifetime (alongside the thoughts that come as I struggle against them).

  9. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Mallory,
    Because we all live in the one world created by God, it should never surprise us that others find pieces of the truth (Truth) that are embedded in everything. What we would say as Orthodox believers, is that Christ Himself is the Truth. What to say about those who are outside of Orthodoxy isn’t always clear – and it is even frequently best to let it be. God wills that all should be saved – that is an Orthodox teaching. That does not mean that everyone wants to be saved, much less that every path is a path to God. Sometimes, I find it good to just sigh.

  10. Drewster2000 Avatar
    Drewster2000

    Fr. Stephen,

    Your post really resonates. Perhaps one way to talk about true Christianity (not the religion) is to use Christ’s words themselves: “You have heard it said that….but I say to you…”

    For example, you have heard it said that you should be nice, kind, courteous, but I say to you that you should love those that hate you, in everything give thanks, and so on.

    Christ has a way of slapping the mouth that’s getting ready a knowing reply. “No, in fact you don’t know what I’m talking about.” He has a way of shocking the heart, cutting to the quick, and bringing the whole person from a state of slumber to one of total alertness immediately. All without any evil intent and in fact the opposite. He causes the ego to get left behind and strips us to our birthday suit with one claw like Aslan to Eustace.

    And you can’t market this. There is no interviewing Aslan afterwards. There are no outtakes where He made mistakes during filming. It’s all live without any 3-second delays.

    Interestingly enough your posts often mirror a pattern I’ve seen when God works. There is a thunderstorm or some kind of disruptive action (think contradicting post for you). Over time the rumbles echo off into the distance. Then all is cordial and peaceful – for awhile. And then the cycle repeats again.

    And I remain very grateful for your contributions. He’s not a tame Fr. Stephen…but he is good!

  11. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Drewester,
    “Christ has a way of slapping the mouth that’s getting ready a knowing reply.”

    Been there and done that! Yep, whap!!

  12. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Drewster,
    That is very kind praise…grace completes that which is lacking.

  13. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen wrote:

    “There is another rationality of our faith, largely expressed in ideas and words. Its struggle is to believe one thing and not another. But as such, it reduces our faith to one belief system among a world of competing belief systems. The Pascha of Christ is the end of all belief systems. With His crucifixion all human efforts to explain or understand are brought to an end. Indeed, Christ’s Pascha is the end of all things. To walk into Christ’s Pascha, is to walk into the great skandalon, the contradiction of religion and the negation of the reason of this world.”

    Thank you.

  14. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “True reason is a recognition of the Logos, and a discernment of the logicity of the world, the perception of a divine order that is itself revealing of God.”

    So … does reason play a role in our awareness and experience of the Divine or not?

    I was away this past week with some people. During a meal the conversation shifted to, I think, the wonder and amazement of physics. I listened, and then as I was leaving the table I said to my acquaintance … “The trouble with us in the western world is that we think too much.” (or something to that effect). He quicky fired back saying “No. The problem is we don´t think enough”. I should note that this man is a Protestant believer.

    Do we think too much in the western world? Should we jettison thought and reason in our attempts to experience God?

  15. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Thank you P.Stephen for this “invigorating” post !
    “The Cross is the rationality of the Kingdom of God.
    Without this opposing element, this skandalon, Christianity may be noble or benevolent, but it is far from reaching the Kingdom.”

    In the last treatise written by St. John Chrysostom, “On the Providence of God,” he speaks of those scandalized by his own exile and all the suffering he endured, highlighting the reality of the Cross and the powers of life, of salvation, that it brings.
    He remarkably describes the sufferings endured by Christ, the source of incorruptible life, and all the blessings, the “crowns” received by those who give thanks for their trials and sufferings.

    He says in particular :
    “The cross of Christ transformed the earth into heaven, shattered the forces of death… brought a thousand blessings… Why, tell me, was it necessary that the cross did not exist and that this terrible sacrifice was not offered and that these great deeds were not accomplished, because all this was a scandal to those who are lost… Who would be so mad, so foolish as to say so ?…
    Indeed, the scandal does not come from the nature of the cross (that is, from the fact of the Crucifixion), but from the folly of those who are scandalized. And you, when you see some people scandalized by what has happened, first consider that their scandal does not come from this, but from their own weakness… Then consider that many have made great glory from it, glorifying God and giving him thanks with fervor. Therefore, do not look at those who waver, but at those who remain firm… and become stronger…”

    St. John Chrysostom is a great resource for bearing, understanding, and giving thanks for everything, especially in his letters from exile.

    I also greatly appreciate these words from St. Sophrony of Essex :
    “It is when man strives to live with Christ, to invoke His Name, to meditate on His life, and strives to act progressively as Christ would have acted that the person is built up—the image and likeness of the Hypostasis of God. Earthly man, contaminated by the pride of the original fall, must acquire a new consciousness: repentance for his proud transgression against this God who is Humility.”

    Prayer without ceasing, love for the Lord, an irrepressible desire to know Him !
    Many thoughts and reasonings vanish…

  16. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Hélène,
    Wonderful quotes, brilliant! Thank you! The blog’s title, “Glory to God for all things!” is intentionally a quote of St. John Chrysostom’s last words.”

  17. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    There’s an ambiguity at work in the words “think” and “reason.” It’s not thinking that’s the problem – it’s how we think – thus, it’s the abuse of our reason. It’s not reason that’s the problem, it’s reason apart from the Logos. They’re tools. It depends on how they’re used. Your Protestant friend might well have been right…depending on how he meant the word “think.”

    But, as tools, reasoning and thinking are not enough by themselves. They are not self-correcting.

  18. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Yes, Fr. Stephen, I did think about the title of your blog !

    And the more I immersed myself in the words of St. John Chrysostom, especially in his letters from exile, the more “rectification” I received in my thoughts, where I saw old habits, narrow and sterile reactions… and this desire to “understand,” to grasp for oneself (the great temptation) through self-satisfaction, security, etc.
    Ah, what true freedom, what true sweetness are offered to us in this surrender of our whole being to the Lord ! A hygoumene mother said : The most powerful prayer is that of our total surrender of ourselves to God, to the very end….
    Isn’t this a scandal in the eyes of the world and its desires ?

    St. Nicholas Velimirovich, quoting the Prophet Jeremiah : “The word of the Lord was a source of reproach and mockery to me all day long,” says that every prophet, martyr, apostle, like every defender in the world of the Word of God, of the Law of God, could not be truly afraid, nor be dissuaded from witnessing, nor be led astray from the true path, for even if from the outside the whole world mocked and harassed them, from within the Lord strengthened them and filled them with joy (we have many contemporary testimonies). And the Lord resisted the world, and the saints of God thus resisted their enemies… What encouragement !

    I remember a word you said : “Over the years, I have become convinced that knowing a little is a good thing, if what you know is the right thing, and in the right measure.” That’s already a very soothing feeling…

    p.s. in the previous post, I meant to say “pray without ceasing” oh yes ! instead of “cease prayer” ! (translation error…)

  19. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Hélène,
    I have fixed the translation error. But it also made me think of that state of prayer when words cease, none can be spoken.

  20. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

    So … when reason is connected and associated with the Logos, then it too can be used to help us experience an awareness of the Divine? I was under the impression that reason writ large was frowned upon in the east in terms of a gateway to divine awareness and experience. From my limited perspective, even descriptions of the nous which I have read seem to transcend reason. All this is what makes eastern spirituality so enticing.

    Maybe my current understanding is a bit of a knee jerk reaction from my very rational evangelical past, but what I said to my Protestant friend last week still stands. I believe what blocks us from spiritual transformation in the west is that we rely all too often on thinking and reason; doctrine and dogma — though I do understand the point you are making about reason connected to the Logos as something to be sought after.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    When the Enlightenment (a Western phenomenon) began to champion reason (the French revolution, for example, converted Notre Dame Cathedral into a “Temple of Reason”), it was a very thin version of the idea, almost silly in its applications. We’ve frequently been inheritors of a silly version of reason – a caricature not really deserving of the name.

    One thing to bear in mind when referencing Orthodox thought: we see everything as essentially good. Natures do not “fall.” They can be distorted or impeded. But, in the West, you have some who teach that human nature is a “sin nature.” Or that reason is inherently fallen, etc. That’s not Orthodoxy. So, we would say reason is inherently good – and then go on to ask what that means. How is it good? What distorts it? etc.

    The Fathers hold that the Nous is the organ of perception by which we perceive God. But reason has its place in the Christian life. It should not operate (properly) apart from the Nous, but in service to the Nous.

  22. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    I am spending a lot of time lying in my bed next to the Cross next to my bed since my terminal diagnosis. I see a harmony and unity in the Cross I do not read about her or elsewhere

  23. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    It is a gift from God. As central as the Cross is to my writing, it inevitably falls short of such a gift. By the Wood of the Cross may God draw you ever closer to His heart and surround you with His angels.

  24. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much for the “reasonable” clarification Fr. Stephen. 🙂

  25. George Avatar
    George

    God works in mysterious ways, as recently I was ”stumbled” by a passage of Scripture that happens to deal with this exact word, _skandalon_, where Christ says that we can stumble in Him (or on account of), and here is your essay dealing with the exact word! Father, if you have the time, what are your thoughts on Matthew 11:6?

    „And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.” (NKJV)
    ”Blessed is anyone who *does not **stumble** on account of me*.” (NIV)

    From what I could quickly gather online, the Greek here is indeed the same _skandalon_ you mention. In my native Romanian the passage is even more shocking, as the word has been translated to a bit of an old-timey verb/noun that can also mean a sort of unrest, disturbance or disorder of the mind, and by extension a fault, a mistake, or a sense of being lost or led astray. To add more confusion, the „because of”/„on account of” in Romanian is simply translated as ”in”. So a translation of the Romanian text into English would read along the lines of: „Blessed (lit. _happy) is he who will not be disturbed in me.” The nuance in English is very different, but the underlying theme of _skandalon_ is there, and I find the word very tricky to grasp!

    Thank you for your thoughts and essays father!

  26. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    George,
    Yes, sounds quicky tricky in Romanian!

    The verse makes sense in its context – that being Christ as the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah (the blind see, the deaf hear, etc.). The Messiah in Isaiah will also be a “rock of stumbling or offense,” meaning, the wicked in Israel will “stumble” at His words and actions (as many of the leaders did). No doubt, we, too, stumble sometimes as we find our encounter with Christ to be “judging” us. The purpose of that judgement is for our repentance, not for our condemnation.

  27. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    Michael,

    If it’s possible, could you say more about how you see a harmony and unity in the Cross?

    Blessings and comfort,

    Kevin

  28. Mallory Avatar
    Mallory

    Fr. Stephen,
    I was reading Genesis this morning, and I’m wondering if you have the time to illuminate this for me, specifically Genesis 6 (KJV):

    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    Who are the sons of God and who are the daughters of men? It suggests to me here that they are two different beings, is that right? And God sees this union as wicked so shortened the lives of His creation (compared to the 800 plus years previous to this)? Am I reading this completely wrong? I welcome any correction or insight you may have!

    Also, it occurred to me last week, before reading this, that if God initially made us “in His own image” that that doesn’t make sense–we are “sentenced” to aging, sickness, and death, every one of us without exception (animals, flowers, every living thing in the Earth) and that can’t be the image of God, right? So is our “real” image of God perhaps our eternal soul? Or how should we understand this?

    I’m aware I might sound like a child, I am trying to read with an open heart and truly understand. Thanks for your time and this space.

  29. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    The Pascha of Christ is the end of all belief systems.

    There was a story of a Church in the Soviet Union that was visited by Communist Party members. They presented their views before the Priest and laity, arguing that there is no God, etc.; seeking to convince them to close the Church and leave the faith. When they were done, the Priest stood up and said (something like) “What you have said is very reasonable, logical, and well thought out. (And then he cried out) But Christ is Risen!” (To which all the laity cried out, “Indeed He is risen!”).

    It seems like an appropriate response.

  30. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Mallory,
    The stories in Genesis are quite interesting, and draw from a variety of ancient traditions, not all of which are as clear as we might like. The “sons of god” seems to be an expression that describes angelic beings of some sort (which would include demons). It’s a description that is pretty much isolated to those early texts and is not still used in that manner. But, in this story it seems to be describing a sort of mixing of angels and humans and is considered very wicked.

    That we are created in the image of God refers to the whole of who and what we are – despite the fact that our bodies are now subject to death. It is said by some theologians that the true image of God is not made manifest in Adam, as such, but in Christ, who is described in the book of Hebrews as the “espress image of the invisible God.” It is towards that image that we are being transformed.

    There’s a difficulty for all of us when we try to read these things and put them together in a sort of historical timeline with the older thing causing the later thing. The difficult come in that the “Cause” is Christ Himself, and we see Him in the middle, or towards the end of a historical timeline.

    So the Church, with Scripture, begins with Christ and reads everything towards Him as the Beginning and the End of all things.

  31. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    I, too, have wondered about the passages Mallory brought up. And I have wondered whether Christ’s reference to Himself as “the Son of Man” is somehow a ‘turn’, if you will, on the ancient phrase, “Son of God”. Condescending to us, the true Son of God,
    to us, the lowly ones.

  32. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    By the way, I used the word condescending in the way that some of our hymns and theologians use it to mean He came to become one of us, both man and God, in the hypostatic union of two natures. (i.e., without negative connotations)

    I mention this in case there is some unfamiliarity with the usage among readers.

  33. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Beloved Michael,
    It is so good to see your comments. Indeed, there is deep beauty in the cross with all that the Lord has given to it, in great and deep paradox, it is our salvation. May the Cross give you strength and assurance, dear one.

  34. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I suspect that the phrases are not connected – the Son of Man that Christ uses seems to be referencing its use in Daniel and Ezekiel, where it sometimes has Messianic connotations. It’s also common in a number of pre-NT Apocryphal books. The passage in Genesis is a bit of an outlier – though it has given rise to a lot of speculation over the centuries…

  35. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Thank you, Father! Indeed, it was speculation on my part. I hadn’t heard such a connection, but I haven’t read as widely as I would hope.

  36. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Concerning the Son of Man (who questioned me a lot), I found a text that was very helpful and inspired by Father Dumitru Staniloae’s Dogmatic Theology.
    I would like to offer you a few lines. Maybe you will be interested in it.

    “Christ made Mary his Mother by being conceived by her, and through her He made Himself the Son of Man and the Subject of humanity.
    And by the same Spirit of the Father, she was able to intuit that the Son of God was the Son of Man, her “beloved”: she recognized herself in him as any mother recognizes herself in her child and recognizes him as such, but she recognized herself in the Son of God who had become Man.”
    “The Son of God wants to be the Son of Man in order to restore in him the divine filiation, and He does this by inheriting through His Mother the human genealogy of the descendants of David and by transcending this begetting through the virginal and pneumatic mode of His conception. The two names of Christ—Son of God and Son of Man—thus correspond to the two modes of multiplication, the first name attesting to the limit of the second.”

  37. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Hélène,
    Wonderful thoughts of Fr. (now Saint) Dumitru!

  38. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Beloved Dee, my wife and I made worship Sunday for the first time in a long time. I had to receive as a handicapped person but it was with Joy…

  39. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Yes, Father Stephen, I forgot to mention that !
    I know a priest of the Romanian Patriarchate who knew him well ; he was his student and spiritual father until his death. He drew a lot of inspiration from Father Dumitru in his own writings, and it’s a wonderful treasure.
    I’m taking the liberty of including here an excerpt from this priest’s testimony at Father Dumitru’s canonization because I find it very edifying.
    Forgive me if this is inappropriate !

    “The experience of prayer of the heart was, I believe I can safely say, the very root of his way of being, thinking, and speaking. This attitude itself was a lesson for me. It expressed his way of being, which was a way of being with the Lord.
    He was persuasive through this warmth more than through argument. Through this warmth of heart, he communicated to us, not knowledge, but understanding, a state of communion with Christ through the Holy Spirit. I felt near him the grace of the Holy Spirit flowing from him to me, the unworthy and pretentious student that I was !
    I can only express my love, my admiration, my gratitude to the one who taught me to be in dialogue with Christ and the Word of God. This is the very principle of the hesychastic experience: conversation with the Word in Person. Theological precision, the accuracy of terms and expositions, stem from the love we have for Christ, his heavenly Father, his most pure Mother, and all his saints. When we love a person, we choose the words to express this love. This is why theology is demanding about what we can say about God, what we can say to God, and what we can hear God say to us. If you love, you carefully choose the words to declare your love : this is what the mystical theologian does.”

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    Hélène d.

    Michael, I just saw your message to Dee !
    I felt a deep joy reading it !
    You, along with Merry, are enveloped in a multitude of prayers ;
    May the Lord embrace and set your heart ablaze !

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    Mallory

    Thank you, Fr. Stepehen, this is so interesting to me. You wrote “The “sons of god” seems to be an expression that describes angelic beings of some sort (which would include demons). It’s a description that is pretty much isolated to those early texts and is not still used in that manner. But, in this story it seems to be describing a sort of mixing of angels and humans and is considered very wicked.”

    Is it possible that these “sons of God” from which the angels, including demons, are not from God but from “prince of this world”? Meaning, as the Bible says, Satan? I’m wondering if these passages in Genesis illuminate this world being not “the real world” but perhaps showing how the original “good” world God created was overtaken by evil and death?

    I recently read the very short introduction by Bishop Basil that was linked here (apologies I don’t remember who linked it) and he says:

    “The world in which we now live is not the way it was when God created it in the beginning.═ God did not create evil and, as we know, there is more than enough evil in this world.═God is not the source of that evil.═It is the “prince of this world”.═

    But there is a True World which also exists – the real world fashioned by God with His own “hands” in a Divine creative act at the very beginning of everything, and after which He said “It is good”

    Unfortunately, not much else has been translated as of yet on his website, but I would love your thoughts on this, as much as you’re able, knowing of course much is a mystery to us all!

  42. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Hélène,
    What a wonderful description! St. Dumitru was also among those who suffered in the prisons of the Communists, I believe. A true giant of a saint!

  43. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Mallory,
    These “sons of God” would, I think, definitely have been demons. But the demons are simply fallen angels, angels who rebelled against God. Satan cannot create anything – only God creates. Satan (and the demons) are like parasites – they can only destort the good. Evil has no true existence of its own.

    This world itself is inherently good, but is subject to death and decay (which still is not its essence, but more like a bondage). There are some very interesting thoughts within a few of the Church Fathers (particularly St Maximus the Confessor) about the nature of creation and the fall.

    I think it is important to understand that the world is essentially good – even if it is not, at present, able to fully manifest that goodness. Creation, like human beings, is moving towards a great final goodness as God draws all things into union with Himself (Ephesians 1:10).

  44. Mallory Avatar
    Mallory

    Thank you. I’m deeply grateful for this answer!

  45. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Michael! I’m so happy to hear from you and to learn that you and Merry were able to go to Liturgy and receive The Eucharist! together!! Such a beautiful blessing!! May God continue to bless you both and strengthen you and surround you with His angels and in His light and love.

    Christ is Risen!

  46. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Mallory,
    Father describes well the Tradition and theology of the Orthodox Church. This is what I was taught in catechism: That the world is inherently good as God’s creation but not yet manifesting all of its goodness; that it is moving to the Goodness of Christ. All of this of what Father says is Orthodox Christian theology which seems to have been lost at some point in western Christianity.

  47. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Kevin, the harmony of the Cross is easy to see if I ignore the artificial unity created by Satan. The Cross is designed by God to bring real harmony and salvation and joy.

    Joy permeates everything if we allow ourselves to see it an experience it and not just follow the assumptions of the world.

    I have some chunks of wood the can seem hard and hurting including my health, my son’s denial of Christ. My wife’s health. The fact I almost never get my way,etc.

    Still, the joy Jesus paints His Creation with to soften and overcome the pain.

    Laugh for the sake of laughter for it is the surely the durest touch of genius in Creation…..

    If you had been making humans, stuffing us full of greed and passions would you have thought of laughter? ……

  48. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    Thank you, Michael! This is very helpful.

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