There Is No Such Thing As Secular

Just so that we can be clear: there is no such thing as a secular world.

By that, I mean that there is no such thing as the world-apart-from-God, a world without God, or a world existing in a “neutral zone.” The good God who created the heavens and the earth, sustains all things in their very existence. He has not made Himself absent, nor so endowed the world that it has existence apart from Him. Modernity has created ideological zones in which it seeks to remove all reference to God or to control behavior in such a way that it can be conceived apart from God, but these are mere intellectual tricks. We cannot make God disappear, regardless of our ideas or declarations. God is simply everywhere present, filling all things.

Understanding this and embracing this is perhaps the most fundamental step in living a right relationship with the culture in which we dwell. Creation is not our enemy, nor are the institutions, mores, customs, folkways, etc., of the culture around us inherently evil. The successful moments of Orthodox culture, whether of Byzantium or Holy Russia, Romania, etc., are not examples of a past that must be reclaimed and re-instituted in the present. The successful moments in Orthodox culture (however relative that success may have been) are demonstrations of what is possible in the Divine/human life of faith.

Cultural activities such as music, dance, the arts, commerce, etc., are also inherently human and are inherently holy. That we pervert them or employ them for perverted ends is not surprising – even religion itself is frequently directed towards perverted ends. By “perverted” ends, I am not particularly referencing sexual perversion, but rather every deviation and turning from the proper ends ordained by God for true human fulfillment.

While it is true that “God became man so that man could become God,” it is equally true that God became man so that man could become man – truly human. To be truly human we must sing and dance, create art and tell stories. We engage in commerce and build cities. All that is human life and existence is a gift from God and has a God-given purpose and direction.

The false narrative of secularism says that religious activity is the realm of human concern with God, and the only proper realm of such concern. It holds that there are such things as non-religious activities and thus realms of human concern where God is not proper nor welcome. The intrusion and introduction of God into such activities is seen as the intrusion and introduction of elements that are foreign and extrinsic, even corrupting of the activity itself. Many Christians have given way to these assertions. Thus we allow ourselves to think, “Now I am doing something Christian, now I am not.” Such thought is, unconsciously, a renunciation of the Christian God. I have described it elsewhere as “Christian Atheism.”

The false dichotomy of religious/non-religious, or sacred/secular too easily demonizes culture and the world or their activities. Some religious groups seek to solve this problem by creating a parallel Christian culture: thus “Christian Rock” music and “Christian Romance” novels. A common result is often bad music and bad literature. As a rejection of culture it becomes a false creation.

The salvation of the human person must include the salvation of the whole person. It is the transformation of our life into the image of Christ. I can easily imagine Jesus the carpenter making tables and chairs. I expect Him to have made truly excellent tables and chairs according to whatever knowledge he was given. But I don’t expect Him to have carved little Stars of David on them to make them acceptable. If a chair rightly fulfills its role as chair – then it is good. It does not also have to be a carving post for religious anxieties.

The dichotomy between Christian/non-Christian obscures more global concerns. Our faith is far more endangered by the dominance of consumerism than by the lack of overt religious content. Consumerism distorts our humanity as well as any faith that becomes enmeshed in it.

The consumer-driven religious life has resulted in Churches that major in personal fulfillment with little attention to doctrine and sacrament. It is a new form of Christianity, one that differs from its own Protestant ancestry as much as its ancestry differed from the Catholic. And though it has its largest representation within Protestant or non-denominational Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox communities are not immune to its power and its thought. Orthodox Christians are sometimes as guilty of “shopping” for their parish (or jurisdiction) as any mega-Church seeker.

In the Tradition of the Church, stability and continuity are more than occasional values. Tradition must be inculcated and passed on – it cannot be chosen, bought, or shopped. But Tradition should not be a concern for Orthodoxy alone: being human is a tradition. Despite the fact that the modern world likes to constantly re-create itself, the most fundamental things of human life are nurtured and taught by a generation older than oneself. This happens within the family, the extended family, the Church and the larger, more immediate community. The breakdown of those communities, in consumerist and commuter isolationism increasingly mean that the culture fails in its most primary tasks of socialization. We are becoming a culture of barbarians (with apologies to barbarians).

It is a commonplace to lament the “lack of civil discourse.” We would do better to lament the lack of civilization – for it is this most fundamental lack that is manifest in our inability to talk with one another. The dominance of the consumerist/commuter culture does not bode well for the near future of the traditional Christian Church. For the tradition of the faith requires a different kind of human being than we are currently nurturing.

There is no such thing as the secular, but the holy world created by God can be so distorted that it becomes opaque to itself. In such a world human beings lose their way, imagining themselves as something less than human – a recipe for misery.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation. Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme,or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men– (1Pe 2:9-15 NKJ)

Do good. God is with us.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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62 responses to “There Is No Such Thing As Secular”

  1. Helen Avatar
    Helen

    I was thinking just this morning that I need to go back to books that have really nourished me, your first book, being high on that list. Your book and your writing are treasures for me.

  2. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Helen,
    Thank you!

  3. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    As age and health bring me daily closer to my “end” I find myself thanking my mother more and more for the gifts she gave me on my 18th birthday: the admonition to find God; a copy of Huston Smith’s book The Religions of Man; and a small, hand made silver cross with a piece of turquoise in the center. The Cross was made for her by a Native American over a hundred years ago in Taos. NM.

    My mother was there on a dance retreat. She would go every morning early to practice at a small grove of trees. The Native man came to watch her. They started talking and he called her “my little daughter who dances in the sky”(she has great leaping ability).

    Why she gave me the Cross instead of my older brother(now an Orthodox priest), I do not know but I passed it on to my niece recently for her son.

    The Cross is the key, I think. The world was/is consecrated by the Blood of Jesus hung on the Cross and can never be not “of and in Him”.

  4. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    “ Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.”

    I’m convinced that our current overlords have this backwards. Of course I may be reading it wrong. But then the following sentence may be answering my own questions and offering the prescription:

    “For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”

    Life is messy and sometimes it’s so hard to see the good or to properly discern the times. Which is why I’m here because you seem to be quite good at it.

  5. Drewster2000 Avatar
    Drewster2000

    Wow! You really got a good night’s sleep and ate your Wheaties this morning! This is the most crystal clear and motivational post in a long time!

  6. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Drewster,
    Well, to be clear, this is an edited version of an older post (from 2013). My Wheaties were much stronger then…But, given that’s it’s been 11 years…and that I’ve written about 2500 articles through the years – occasional repostings, and new conversations seem to be a good idea. I’m still writing. Right now, I’m working on a couple of things (some see the light of day, some do not). I’ve got a couple of major presentations to do in September that are occupying a lot of my thought and prayer…but I’m still working.

    There’s so much going on in my life right now. The Pastor of St. Anne (my home parish) is leaving (this Sunday is his last Sunday) and going to the Midwest. My life is “up in the air” as a result – not sure what the future holds, which is a bit of a conundrum for an old retired guy. But, the blog will continue no matter what comes…until they pry my Macbook from my cold, dead fingers…

    Remember me (and my wife) in your prayers – as well as dear St. Anne as God brings them a new Pastor. Such a time of transition!

  7. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew

    Prayers for you and the community at St. Anne’s!

  8. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    I feel myself sort of “watching from a distance…”

  9. Drewster2000 Avatar
    Drewster2000

    Fr. Stephen,

    At times like this I find it helpful to remind myself that God promised the fullness of life, not the Bahama beach resort. Life is supPOSED to be full of adventure, and a journey that is never over and accomplished in some ways.

    The only thing lacking at that moment is my realization of that truth. You could say I was momentarily secular. (wink)

  10. Ananias Avatar
    Ananias

    The consumer-driven religious life has resulted in Churches that major in personal fulfillment with little attention to doctrine and sacrament.

    I lived this. I was this false Christian. I was the Selfish-ianity Christian whose worship was a form of self-gratification. This was ME.

    Then ironically, an atheist on Facebook pointed out that my faith was hollow and had no substance. Being the good selfish self-centered Christian that I was, I initially dismissed this assessment. Then I began to think “What if that person was right?”

    So I examined myself and I didn’t like what I found. The atheist was right. There was no substance, no root, no life to my faith and I was a whitewashed tomb.

    So I began to look for a deeper, real faith. I began to look for something that would connect me to God, and do so in a *real* way.

    My mentor and friend Stephen who later became Deacon Nicholas, listened as I told him about this. He invited me to vespers. Rather than make flimsy excuses, I went to vespers and found the manifest presence of God. And I wanted it, deeper than I had wanted anything in my life. So I began to visit. I began to attend Catechumen classes. I eventually became a Catechumen and fell down a flight of stairs and broke my L1 vertebrae. Deacon Nicholas theorizes that a demon pushed me; he’s not wrong, that house had demonic activity. I didn’t give up. And I was chrismated. That was 12 years ago.

    And as the end of the hymn states,
    We have seen the True Light! We have received the Heavenly Spirit! We have found the True Faith! Worshiping the Undivided Trinity, Who has saved us.

    YES, we have found the REAL faith with a real connection to God.

  11. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    About those “Christian Romance” novels you mentioned: there is a certain irony that properly-written romances with strong Christian undercurrents aren’t labeled as such by the marketing department. I’m thinking about most of the output of the Austen sisters, some Hawthorne…

  12. Síochána Arandomhan Avatar

    This is lovely, and suggests that some things in culture can be “signposts” pointing the way to go.

  13. Sinnika Avatar
    Sinnika

    Fr Stephen,
    About editing older versions of your posts.

    Yesterday, I came across a most excellent post from 23rd May 2018, “The Inherent Violence Of Modernity”. It highlights the modern illusion that we can fix things and make them better. The modern project of “Changing the world” is measured in economics only and does not take stock of its own actions “That, large amount of any present ruinations, are the result of the last push for progress…” . This is still so true about the “Remaking of the Middle East”!

    Your list of things of how to live in a “non-modern” manner is very helpful, to be content with what we have and do violence to no one.

    I find your thoughtful and deep posts very encouraging, may God grant you many more years of ministry.
    Thank you!

  14. Ayyeliki Avatar
    Ayyeliki

    I am thankful this article did not strain my brain TOO much (ha), and the point was so well made!
    Why oh why, did it take me decades ( pleural) to realize this- that there is no world apart from God and that everything we do and say ( and hopefully think ), should be according to His Will and Commandments. Everywhere. It took me so long. Sigh….

  15. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Ayyeliki,
    Once we see it, it seems obvious that everything we do or say or think – the whole world belongs to God. But, the mythology of a “secular” world is constantly sold to us as though that were the obvious thing. It tends to shrink our definition of God.

    But once we see the truth of it, we discover the joy that He is with us in all things: everywhere present and filling all things!

  16. Laurie Marvin Avatar
    Laurie Marvin

    A lot of authors I like seem to find something wrong about the modern world. Often their prescriptions are different. But I am wondering how you think the world might 1ook if we lived rightly? This part is harder to find. Personally I thought hobbits had the right kind of existence, but of course, they are just fictional.

  17. Jack Elliott Avatar
    Jack Elliott

    “Once there was no secular. And the appearance of the secular is not merely a matter of removing something superfluous, as sociology generally tells it in its theories of “desacralization,” the image of the stripping of a sacred covering so that some realm of pure humanity and nature is brought into the open. That portrayal assumes that there is such a thing as a pure humanity, which is always there under the surface of the sacred and of religion, which has nothing to do with the sacred, and it assumes that humanism is the natural destiny of history, the inevitable telos toward which all human societies move. Both of these assumptions must be contested.”
    — John Milbank
    THEOLOGY AND SOCIAL THEORY, 1990

  18. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Laurie,
    My critique of modernity is of a set of ideas and certain practices which they foster (consumerism, etc.). I have no beef with technology, though, like all things in the world, it can be abused (and often is).

    My suggestion on “how do we live” – is to live simply – in which we do good work, do kindness and generosity to those around us, and work to keep the commandments of Christ.

    Hobbits are great – and I think that Tolkien saw them as a sort of “ideal.” He certainly had in mind a very “English” way of being. I believe human beings were created to live in community (family being its first form). Modernity has redefined our existence primarily along the lines of making profits. That has isolated us – defined us by our jobs – and created false communities. We clump in “affinity groups,” meaning that we don’t mix things with ages, interests, backgrounds. Despite all the talk about “diversity” – we do not practice very well some its most fundamental aspects. It’s not so much about diverse nationalities, races, etc. It’s just being in relationship with a natural range of human beings.

    Most people, for example, have never seen anyone be born nor have they ever seen anyone die (before their eyes). We even try to isolate nursing mothers these days. We have made being naturally human something to be avoided and hidden.

    I like Fr. T. Hopkos’s “55 Maxims” as a simple guideline on “how to live.”

  19. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Jack,
    I’m far from the first to make these observations – which only underscores the fact that the culture at large is shielded from such thoughts…

  20. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, the “trouble with technology” is that it seems to becoming increasingly anti-human; created to replace humanity for the most part rather than to aid us.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    Yes. Nuclear weapons are also quite tricky… 🙂

  22. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father….and the list goes on la di dada di…..

  23. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Thank you for this beautiful post Father. You remind me that, if God is everywhere and in all things, then somehow we must be thankful also in that understanding (as you have repeatedly said).

    But my question is about beauty. I find myself in a deep and constant thirst for beauty. How do we live beauty, and “work the works of God” to find that place in ourselves where we can express it by living our faith?

    In my spiritual journey, if you will, I seem to be led through prayer to delve into deeper layers of myself, for correction (always at first!!) and then possibly a new expression of pieces of identity but as part of faithful living. There is always a kind of review of my own assumptions, thinking, etc that needs metanoia/transfiguration/new growth. I hope that make sense to others. I believe I’m at a kind of crossroads, a new stage, but setting out is so important and fraught with pitfalls and temptations on the way to learning new things. I find a desire to live beauty, and so many conventional or consumerist things seek to tell us what that is; and at the same time there are so many distracting things in the world that seem to force us to deal with what is not beautiful, with violence and hatred and insistence.

    Michael, I’m always inspired when you talk about your mother and her influence on you. She seems also to be one who lived beauty and taught you how inextricable that was from living faith.

  24. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine,
    Beauty is both around us and within us. I suspect that the two work in tandem.

  25. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Yes, I’m going to keep that in mind, Father. Thank you. One of the most “happy” things I’ve done and newly discovered was taking an overgrown garden, devoting it to the Theotokos , and prayerfully seeking what to do with it. This was a new and very real adventure. I feel it adds beauty to people who see it, but the devotion adds something more.

  26. Constantine Avatar
    Constantine

    Greetings Father,
    Truly an excellent post and reminder that God is, and works, in all things. The “Christian Atheism” remark is also a great term. I remember the first time I experienced it myself.

    I don’t know how often it happens in the US, but in the Balkans, people would often have a priest bless their car inside and out. I first saw this as a kid, and while it was not unusual to have an icon or a Cross around your dashboard, I could not for the life of me imagine what a car engine had to do with God. It almost appeared inappropriate to me to concern God with something as mundane as the reliability of an engine, as if it were solely in the realm of mechanics and engineers.

    All too late did I start realizing that if I want to see His hand in those big scary moments when even atheists start praying, I need to first look for it in the small things.

    Thank you for the post!

  27. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Constantine,
    I grew up around cars – my father, my grandfather, and my uncle were all auto mechanics. It permeated our homes. That said, there were more than a few “miracles” surrounding engines over the years – they are wondrous things. My father was an aircraft mechanic during World War II – in those planes, with enemy fire surrounding you, you prayed a lot for protection against mechanical failure and such.

    I suspect that, if we knew the full truth of existence, we would see that the substance of prayer and the “glue” that holds the universe together differ none at all. “By Him, all things consist” (Col. 1:17)

  28. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Once upon a time, people would ask the priest to bless a donkey who pulled a cart. It’s not a big leap to transfer that to the car, it seems. On a side note, I have a friend who poured holy water into his car radiator (!)

    I once asked a priest in Greece if it would be appropriate for him to bless some beads for me that I used for prayer (not a traditional prayer rope). His reply to me was, “We bless everything.” I thought that was a good piece of theology.

  29. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine,
    Back in my Anglican days, there was a small book of blessings that I carried as a priest. I recall that one of the prayers was entitled: “A Blessing for Anything Whatsoever.” It was most useful.

  30. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    “A Blessing for Anything Whatsoever.” That sounds like an awesome prayer!

  31. Theosis Hopeful Avatar
    Theosis Hopeful

    I love this, and it really resonates (no pun intended) with me as a banjo player. Banjo is an instrument with such a complex history and beautiful variety. I once heard an orthodox priest scorning a protestant church for using banjo in its worship music, as if it was blasphemy. I understand and appreciate the orthodox reasons for excluding instruments from worship, but I couldn’t help think that the comment was made from a place of ignorance and prejudice. Many orthodox converts bash protestant worship services, and I am often inclined to agree with them. It seems to be part of the American condition to have commercialized pop-concert-style churches. However, for every disenchanted orthodox convert, there are five protestant worshippers that love the experience, that feel their lives are changed by it, and seem to embrace their worship with unironic joy. Why were the orthodox converts unable to have that simple joy? I wonder that for myself at times.

  32. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Theosis,
    The answer, in a word, is “shame.” I have a chapter in my recent book (Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame) on the “shame of conversion.” It’s got some complex layers – but is pretty universal. It’s the same song, sung in a different key, depending on whose shame is doing the singing.

    You’ll be happy to know (perhaps) that, 5 years ago at my retirement party (a wonderful affair), the music was pure bluegrass, provided by a fair amount of “in house” talent from our parish. Here in East TN, the banjo is held in high regard. Many of our culture-Christianities have lost their way to a degree, having long lost touch with the deep tradition that is the Church. However, that does not mean that there are not a lot of people there who are sincerely reaching out to Christ and doing the best with what they have.

    FWIW, I play the banjo, though I’m not very good at it.

  33. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    The banjo is a sublime instrument when played well.

  34. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Janine, thank you.

  35. Theosis Hopeful Avatar
    Theosis Hopeful

    Thank you, Fr. Stephen,
    That sounds worth looking into. Western NC has much the same regard for old time music. I’m glad to hear that you enjoy playing banjo as well!

  36. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    I don’t know how often it happens in the US, but in the Balkans, people would often have a priest bless their car inside and out.

    A little late, but when I purchased a new car my Priest blessed it after Liturgy. Hood up, doors open, Holy Water thrown! It’s not uncommon at our parish.

  37. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    It’s my understanding that Orthodox parishes in Africa may have instrumental music. Also the Psalms reference instruments played. Why hasn’t there been a history of it in our tradition?

    BTW this (your article on “secular life”) is also one of my favorite articles. It is so true. I hope I will live these thoughts well in my sphere of the world.

  38. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I’ve read various answers to the question of the non-instruments in Church. It’s important to note that it was once the universal (East and West) practice to use only the human voice. I suspect that it was drawn from synagogue practice. The stringed instruments and such that we read about in the Psalms seems to describe Temple worship – and it’s unclear if that was the case at the time of the 2nd Temple 1st century. I just don’t know.

    It seems to have settled quickly that the human voice was the “perfect instrument” in light of the Incarnation (God became a human voice, not a guitar, to state it in a silly fashion). When instruments began to be introduced in the West, it was, apparently only an early version of an organ, and, even then, it was resisted and criticized.

    Note that there are Calvinists who resisted instruments and even hymns, singing only metrical versions of the Psalms. So, music has been an evolving, even debated subject into the Reformation itself (which says that there was not much instrumentation beforehand).

    It is in the later modern period that we see instrumentation (especially the pipe organ) come into wide use in the West. And, of course, modern Westerns have no historical memory and suppose that what they now do is what has always been done.

    And, a last note (no pun intended), instrumental music at the time of the primitive Church was deeply associated with pagan rituals, with sexual stirrings, and such. It often still is –

    And then, there’s the debate within Orthodoxy (at least some corners) between whether there should be such wide-spread use of harmony, as in the Slavic tradition. That usage is sometimes criticized as “Western.” However, I like our Russian-style singing in the OCA, and even a number of new compositions that seem distinctly American.

    On the use of instruments in Africa – I’m not sure how much is actually used. I’ve seen drums (in videos) but not seen instruments. Of course, African music has a lot of variety, depending on what part of Africa you’re in. Someone among our readers might have more information on this.

  39. Laurie Marvin Avatar
    Laurie Marvin

    Paul Kingsnorth has said something sort of similar in that its hard to find God in the society we’ve constructed. But if God is indeed “everywhere present and filling all things”, where is the disconnect? That’s what I’m interested in seeing fleshed out- what does a society that is oriented around God look like? Its so easy to find criticism, but I’d love someone to articulate a vision of what it would mean to be healthy. Obviously we aren’t going back to the Middle Ages.

  40. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Laurie,
    To a degree, to do what you’re asking would be to write a fiction novel. For the Orthodox in the US, we are barely one percent of the population (if that). Thus, any notion of what a society constructed along Orthodox Christian understanding would look like would be just an exercise in fantasy.

    So, for me, the question (every day), is “How do I live in the present culture in a manner that honors God and acknowledges that He is everywhere present, filling all things?” I’m working on an article on that topic…I hope to have it finished in the near future, fwiw. And, we should note, the Church was born into a culture that was alien to the gospel. So, this is not a new undertaking.

  41. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Laurie,
    I should be quick to add that I do not think it is “hard” to find God in our present place and time – it’s that we’re conditioned not to look for Him – but, rather, to forget Him.

  42. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Indeed Father is God not closer than hands and feet?

  43. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    In my 50 years of trying to follow God, the fact that He is within has always been crucial. Only the worship, icons, prayers and fellowship in the Orthodox Church have revealed Him in ever deepening fullness.

    Building on that outward is what makes culture and overcomes the ignorance of God that fuels the rest

  44. Zach Avatar
    Zach

    Thank you for these words, Father. You have always been a blessing to me. It is my nature to agree with Ivan and to wish I agreed with Alyosha, but your advice to find balance in Dmitry has been a check on my melancholies these last years. I thank God for you.

  45. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Zach,
    I think Dmitri is the character where it all comes together. May God give you such continuing grace!

  46. Mark Spurlock Avatar
    Mark Spurlock

    Laurie,

    I think Christ’s third temptation represents the desire to “orient a society” around God, rather than discovering that “the kingdom of God is within you.” See Luke 17:20-24.

    Father Stephen in discussing music remarked that God became a human voice. Likewise, Christ did not bring a host of angels with Him to establish a social order. He lived a single life.

    Israel, even with God present in its midst, did not succeed in establishing heaven on earth.

    Compare, for example, a corporation. Some corporations can behave better than others, but they exist to increase shareholder value. Political leaders have varying views as to why governments exist, but in my opinion they were (are) no better tools for bringing about Christian societies than are corporation. Both governments and corporations serve other masters (power and mammon).

    Christ is the example for the individual, and the Church ought to be the societal (collective) example. The proper incarnation of the Church is something beyond me as a layman to assert, and I must have faith that, with God’s help, the Church hierarchy will pastor us rightly toward that end.

  47. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Mark,
    Well said. Amen.

  48. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    what does a society that is oriented around God look like?

    The first thought that came to my mind upon reading this is, “the parish”. My second thought is that such a society would be small. It would be more a Community, than what we think of as a “Society”. Just some thoughts.

  49. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Family, Shared work as much as possible, Education, Parish, Monastery.

  50. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    The Shire?

  51. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    aka Tolkien’s Hobbiton

  52. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    More thoughts on Laurie’s question: Perhaps it would be as simple as acquiring the “Spirit of Peace”. Although that in itself (for me anyway) is no simple or easy task, save for the grace and will of God.

  53. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    Would it be appropriate to say that Modernity and Secularism are the same ideology? Do they have sufficiently different histories (and/or ideologies and meanings) warranting separate discussions?

    How do we discuss with others (non-Orthodox and Orthodox) that there is no such thing as a secular world, that there is only and ever has been God’s world-creation? How do we open our eyes to the influences of Modernity without speaking the same language as Modernity? How do we see the water that we swim in?

  54. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Please forgive me for adding one more thing. Sometimes, when a priest or deacon writes about a faithful life, there seems to be an exultation of monastic life above the life of laity. I sense this even in myself. It seems at the foundation of such thinking, there exists this equation: laity = secularized

    I hear the terms “little church” in reference to Orthodox homelife. Why is it “little”?

  55. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Secularism is a “subset” of modernity – one of the concepts that are integral to its worldview. Another would be the doctrine of progress, that history is going somewhere (always better) and that we are history’s drivers (which is why modernity is so married to the political process).

    The original meaning of “modern” is simply “the present time.” So, the “present” time is inherently opposed to tradition – it presumes that what is past is gone and should be forgotten (except, of course, in present discourse when the past is the time when terrible things happened and we should make those in the present that we blame pay for it).

    Modernity, as an ideology, wraps itself in every beneficial (real or imagined) scientific discovery.

    Stanley Hauerwas (with whom I studied) said: “the project of modernity was to produce people who believe they should have no story except the story they choose when they have no story.” It’s an interesting quote, taken from this article. He’s not Orthodox (in fact, I’m not sure that even he knows what Church he’s in). However, I find many of his insights to be quite powerful.

  56. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    “Little Church” is a phrase drawn from the writings of St. John Chrysostom, who meant by it something like this: “The family is like the Church in miniature.”

    Monasticism is often pointed to as an exemplar in that it (when properly practiced) puts the gospel commandments into practice in a very literal form – they are (or should be), the gospel written in large letters with a crayon. As such, it should silence those who would say that Christ’s teachings are not practical.

    But we should never agree that anything (including the laity) are “secular.” There’s no such thing – “the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof.”

  57. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dee, I do not know for sure, but when I give tours of my home parish, a Cathedral, or even the parish in which I was received there is a much larger feeling than in my home and the icons here which are much more intimate and “little” because of that. Yet firmly attached to the larger reality of my parish and The Church in Spirit and Persons. Despite no Sacraments except what my wife carry in our hearts.

    While it could be denigrating, I do not believe it is.

  58. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Correction: “What my wife and I carry in our hearts.

  59. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Dear Father,
    Thank you so much for your helpful responses. They help me put things in the right order and perspective.

  60. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Michael,
    I share a similar perspective regarding icons in home vs in the parish Church. However I believe I want very much to carry what is in the Church into my homelife that enlarges the life of Christ at home. I seem to have a yearning for that and I’m trying to find a way to accomplish that. I know that it is to some great extent dependent on the presence of the Holy Spirit and my capacity to hold peace in my heart.

  61. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dee, may God continue to bless you and continue to enlarge your heart as I have witnessed during our time together here. I am unable to travel anymore but IF you are ever in Wichita at St. George you will be welcome.

  62. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Thank you so much Michael!

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