A Priest’s Thoughts on Depression, Anxiety, the Soul, Your Body and Your Brain

I was 19 years old the first time I had a panic attack. I was trying to go to sleep in my dorm room, when suddenly my heart began racing, my mind speeding forward, with what seemed like crazy, desperate thoughts. That was in the early 70’s and the phrase “panic attack” had not been invented. What I did not know was that this was the beginning of a syndrome that would stay with me over the next 40 years. At times, it limited my life in terrible, embarrassing ways. I began a typical pattern of adjustment, in which I avoided various things that felt like “triggers.” Sometimes it felt like everything and nothing was a trigger. It was also the beginning of a journey of self-education, driven both by repeated treatment failures as well as eventual success and freedom. I have been panic-free for about five years, though I do not assume that it cannot return.

Panic is not in your head. It is not a set of thoughts, even though it sets certain thoughts racing. My dog has panic attacks during thunderstorms (he’s in the middle of one right now). He does not have a “set of thoughts.” Panic is physical. It is, essentially, an “adrenalin storm,” a cascade of chemicals that the body produces quite normally when it perceives immediate danger (the “fight or flight” syndrome). In that sense, panic is a gift from God. In the wrong situation (like trying to go to sleep), it feels like a gift from hell.

Though the advent of panic is unknown, people who suffer from anxiety and depression are far more vulnerable. Indeed, it is treated as a subset of anxiety. It can be the result of trauma or a delayed result from stress or other such things. The first attack, most often, just seems to come out of nowhere.

Panic is not your fault. Telling someone, “But there’s nothing to be afraid of,” is useless. The thoughts come after the attack has begun. It is more accurate to describe the “thoughts” accompanying panic as something other than “thoughts.” They are not the result of reasoning or beliefs. They are the noise your brain makes when it has been hit with an adrenalin bath.

The same thing is generally true about depression and anxiety. These mental experiences are also clearly physical states that can be described, measured and diagnosed. They are, however, physical states that involve the neurobiological system. As such, they produce thoughts, affect our emotions, and create other psycho/physical symptoms.

Somewhat problematic, I think, is the not infrequent distinction made between anxiety and depression as physical/medical problems and as so-called “spiritual” problems. There is no such distinction. We do not have “spiritual” problems that are not also physical problems, simply because we do not exist as some sort of divisible creatures. We could say that the whole thing is spiritual (including medicine). We do not have a “spiritual” life that is not connected with our body. We are human beings. Among the most torturous things I endured in my first year of suffering was having a group of well-meaning Christians gathered around me to cast out the demons, some of them convinced that there was some “unconfessed sin” in my life. I’m fortunate that my belief in God survived.

That said, healthy spiritual disciplines are an important part of the healing and recovery from these problems. If you search patristic material you may wonder where the references to depression and anxiety are. They are hidden in a word that is quite common: acedia (sometimes spelled “accidie”). It is described as the most difficult of all the passions and garnered the nickname “the noonday devil.” Here is a brief description from St. John Cassian:

He looks about anxiously this way and that, and sighs that none of the brethren come to see him, and often goes in and out of his cell, and frequently gazes up at the sun, as if it was too slow in setting, and so a kind of unreasonable confusion of mind takes possession of him like some foul darkness.

Gabriel Bunge, the Orthodox hermit and scholar on the works of Evagrius, offers this understanding of what he terms “despondency:”

Acedia manifests itself, then, as a type of slackening of the natural powers of the soul. Evagrius defines it in exactly the same way: Spiritual despondency is a slackness (atonia) of the soul, namely a limpness of the soul, which does not possess what is appropriate to its nature.

It interests me that modern discussions of anxiety and depression tend to alternate between a very physical account (“you have a chemical imbalance”) to very a psychological/emotional account (as in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). The truth is that it is both/and. We do not have moods, thoughts and emotions that have no basis in the electrical chemical components of our brain. Our thinking and feeling is not detached from our body. However, our bodies are not unresponsive to our thoughts. The complex of our existence means that we can and should deal with our health in a manner that involves the whole person.

The fathers of the desert had no psychotropic medication. Their insights were drawn from what they did have. It must be borne in mind that suicide was not unknown among them (there are any number of stories that recall such things). It would be a mistake, therefore, to assume that they knew everything there was to know on the subject or that following their lead is always and entirely sufficient. It is not.

But they knew a lot. Much that they knew is buried beneath and within the terminology of desert asceticism. Just as acedia is largely the equivalent of anxiety and depression, so, many of the remedies are equally disguised. Humility is frequently described as important in overcoming acedia. Modern readers are left puzzled. How is being humble useful with depression? The humility they describe, of course, is deeply rooted in the discipline of confession. It is, in fact, the practice of “bearing a little shame.”

Modern research in Affect Theory has identified shame as the “master emotion,” and as a primary root of anxiety and depression. Of course, we live in a culture that, though riddled with shame, often treats it as a taboo topic. This is especially true for men. A book I read several years ago on male depression was aptly named, The Problem Men Never Discuss. If depression is taboo, shame is more so. The desert fathers attacked the Noonday Devil at its very roots, discovering that the “way up is the way down.” Following the path of Christ in His voluntary acceptance of the shame of the Cross, they discovered the freedom that comes when the very deepest of all wounds is healed. In that healing, they found true peace, the ability to love and forgive, and the place of the deep heart.

I recently watched an interview with Fr. Zacharias of Essex in which he said, “Only the work we do to find the deep heart remains with us beyond the grave.” That is knowledge that only comes from experience.

Again, there are many who continue with a false distinction between psychological/emotional/physical/spiritual matters. This, I think, is a product of an inadequate understanding of our human makeup. The crippling pain of depression and anxiety are often helped greatly by current medications (SSRI’s and the like). Sometimes they are life-savers. They are not, however, a “treatment” for depression and anxiety. They do not address its cause or provide healing. They simply make it bearable – and that’s nothing to be despised.

The book, Our Thoughts Determine Our Lives, recounts the life and teachings of the Elder Thaddeus of V., a contemporary Serbian monastic. He battled with anxiety issues for many years, suffering two nervous breakdowns. He tried medications to no avail (of course it was at a time well before the current protocols). His story describes certain profound spiritual conclusions, including the radical acceptance of the providence of God, that eventually gave him peace. It is worth a read by anyone who struggles with these things – at the very least for an example of holiness in the midst of this terrible form of inner struggle.

A contemporary elder of Mt. Athos makes this observation:

The image which we can use to describe the relationship of soul and brain is the violin with the violinist. Just as even the best musician cannot make good music if the violin is broken or unstrung, in the same manner a man’s behavior will not be whole (see 2 Tim 3:17) if his brain presents a certain disturbance, in which case the soul cannot be expressed correctly. It is precisely this disturbance of the brain that certain medicines help correct and so aid the soul in expressing itself correctly. (Elder Epiphanios Theodoropoulos)

It is interesting that men in contemporary culture are so shame-averse. It is, of course painful to everyone at all times. However, the fear to go there requires courage – something our culture tends to praise. I have often been struck with astonishment at the courage of some very broken people, people whom others would consider “losers,” who found a way to enter the darkest places, bear the unbearable, and return with a measure of wholeness. They are my heroes.

We are all Christians in the desert – and the desert is the landscape of our souls. The fathers of the desert found what everyone would find if they dared enter that place for the simple fact that they were humans in the same manner that we are. They did not enter the desert in order to “get away from things.” They entered the desert in order to do battle with the deepest of things and the greatest of demons. They went there in order to avoid any distraction that might draw them away from the battle.

Our culture is full of distractions. However, the noonday devil has made his way into the cities and every corner of our culture. In some segments of American society, as many as 50 percent take some form of anxiety/depression medication. Again, this is not a cure. But it points to how widespread the battle has become.

St. Seraphim of Sarov famously said, “Acquire the Spirit of Peace, and a thousand souls around you will be saved.” This is a work of courage in our day and time, one that requires wisdom and patience. Easy quips from the sidelines only belong to those who have never been there, or are afraid to admit it. I shudder when I hear someone describe medication as a “crutch.” I’ve heard the same thing said of religion. Given how crippled we are, it makes little sense to despise crutches.

It is important to move beyond the stop-gap measures that simply “keep us going.” There is a serious work of the heart to which the gospel calls us. St. Macarius observed:

The heart itself is but a small vessel, yet dragons are there, and there are also lions; there are poisonous beasts and all the treasures of evil. But there too is God, the angels, the life and the kingdom, the light and the apostles, the heavenly cities and the treasuries of grace—all things are there. (H.43.7)

 

 

 

 

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America, Pastor Emeritus of St. Anne Orthodox Church in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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154 responses to “A Priest’s Thoughts on Depression, Anxiety, the Soul, Your Body and Your Brain”

  1. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Dee and Mary,
    Thank you so much for your careful and thoughtful responses. I am reading them over a couple of times each to let your insights sink in.

    Dee, I have indeed found much healing from my father confessor. All it takes is for him to put his arm around my shoulders as I kneel before the Holy Cross and Gospel and the stuff I’ve internalized leaks out. The unexplained ragings that I guess were like panic attacks would black out my memory. I would run to the wood shed when I felt them coming and take it out on big rounds of wood. It wasn’t always that tidy. I also smashed alot of things. My family would hide…. That was some 15 years ago. Now I get occasional flash backs. In those days, I did alot of extreme sports to deal with the involuntary adrenaline surges until I realized that those activities were just feeding my addiction, not to mention teasing death at every oppurtunity. It was like trying to create my own “trauma” experiences. I would often lie in bed and shake with “fear” responses to how crazy I had been. And, oddly, there was shame at my recklessness. Dee, it is also very meaningful to hear your side to these traumas. I would have been the one “on the other side” of your experience, so to speak–and yet we are both deeply touched by it. My panic would come as, “When is it going to happen to me?” And so I did a lot of crazy stuff to “bring it on.”

    Mary, those uninvited thoughts you mentioned. I think that is where much of the anger came from. So many “uninvited” tragedies and seemingly needless accidents, suicides, violence, and absolute carnage. I don’t want to seem over dramatic, but as you know, everything is internalized. Everything. And confessing this stuff is many times the only way to keep the cup from getting…well, not sure if that would be too full or too empty.
    Hope this helps anyone else reading this.

  2. Neighbor Avatar
    Neighbor

    Much welcomed food for thought. Thanks to all.
    Sight: Translates shadows and reflections of light
    Sound: Translates airborne vibrations
    Touch: Translates pressures, temperatures
    Smell: Translates environment
    Taste: Translates pleasing/or not
    I want to go back home.
    Lord Jesus Christ save me from this body of death.
    Oh, there we have it!
    Celebrate! He Is Was and Always Shall Be!

  3. Neighbor Avatar
    Neighbor

    sbdn andrew,
    Back when, I asked that the mad man be evicted. It was the beginning of healing. Not without it’s ups and downs… not complaining, just explaining. :^) Thanks for your insights. Christ is in our midst.

  4. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Neighbor,
    So what is the sixth one? I think it translates into patience. Is life chosen or gifted? So also, death follows the same path. Are we homeless? Only in hell. Who has your back? It’s me, your brother!

  5. Derek Avatar
    Derek

    For those of you dealing with these issues, you might consider the Coimbra Protocol. It has been rather miraculous for me. It is easy and cheap too. Here is the info if you are inclined to learn more.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N1FV3MGHtwvORrA8Clh15Eex0oTrc_49XMrIZ4G_0N8/edit?usp=sharing

  6. Maria W Avatar
    Maria W

    Good to know one is not the only one battling anxiety. I’ve have yet to find a cure for it. I do know when it started. It started in fear of my life, Life and death, fight or flight, terrifying situations and many there after I could not win, leave or have master over it. It is frozen energy that replays over and over when triggered, terrorizing my whole body, mind and soul, and I can’t shed it, untie it, release it or reason thru it. One feels captive to it, because it played out of a game script of winner and looser mentality totally unknown to me, and therefore I lost. Takes over when you’re most vulnerable. It is a horrible feeling and can leave you many nights and years sleepless and in endless battles over something that happened long ago. Culture war and culture shock can do it to you too, same as PTSD . Don’t suffer from depression to much, probably because I am a fighter and see every problem as a challenge and a learning point/center. But you can hit frustrating walls so high you think you will never make it. Gets tiring.
    I’ve prayed to no avail, sought counseling but does not work, drugs I can’t tolerate and leave me like a zombie and feeling worse. Even after you know everything about the symptoms and fully aware of it all, you still don’t know how to break or unlock it with a key to the emotional, physical and overall well being health. “The Key is still missing”
    At times when you are real busy it leaves you. Come quiet and space it surfaces at the slightest memory..
    It is like I am practice living my life out in HOPE, if nothing else changes, but would like to see……..freedom God willing.
    Thank you for all the posts and sharing including Fr. Freeman excellent essay on Anxiety. I am wishing everyone well and wellness even if it seems it never comes to me, but still happy if it comes to all who are suffering in this or some other similar way. Praises to his holy name.

  7. Mark Northey Avatar
    Mark Northey

    Father Stephen,
    the difficulty I have with Fr Zarcharias’ distinction between “giving thanks” best fitting those in the world and “keeping thy mind in Hell” best fitting monastics, is, why?
    I personally find great consolation and profound insight in St Silouan’s word, though I am steeped in the business of life in this world (very much to the point: we are all called to be in the world but not of it, and every monastic is also in the world, in this biblical sense).
    Where I struggle with a distinction of this sort, is where it is seen as a “leniency” for us in the world; that less can be asked of us. I do not see this sort of distinction in the Apostles appropriation of the Faith (none of them were monastics) or the early Church’s martyrs (all of them were ‘in the world’). How do we keep from letting this sort of distinction becoming an excuse for sin? I think here of the nonviolence required of all priests and monastics… this *should* be a calling and witness to all the faithful, which direction we are headed. But instead in practice it has become an artificial dichotomy: monks aren’t allowed to shed blood, so we in the world do the ‘dirty work’ for them, etc.
    This is one application but the same problem abounds in other moral distinctions.

    Father, can you help me with this?
    -Mark Basil

  8. John H Avatar
    John H

    Father Stephen,

    Thank you for sharing your story with all of us. I have only one brief comment regarding the use of medication to treat emotional disorders and substance abuse. I have suffered from depression pretty much all of my adult life and became dependent upon alcohol to “treat” the depression. For me the key to dealing with the depression was treatment with an SSRI, in my case Lexapro,. After the initial period of adjustment to the SSRI, which lasts in most cases for a month or so, I found that my mental state improved dramatically; my mood and energy level returned to normal levels and for the first time is years I was able to sleep through the night.

    The medication has also been key to my recovery from alcoholism. The mood disorder was a major cause of my dependence upon alcohol; therefore once my depression improved the urge to pick up lessened dramatically. I have been taking Lexapro for almost 4 years now, and have also been sober for the same period of time.

    Yes, SSRI’s or any other medications are not magical cures for emotional disorders or substance dependence. Psychotherapy, cognitive behavioral therapy and/or 12 step programs are also key. But in my case, as in many others I am sure, the continued use of a moderate dose of an SSRI on a daily basis is key to keeping both depression and alcohol dependence at bay.

  9. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    I have been keenly interested in the questions regarding the relationship between the mind and the brain. You certainly seem to need a brain to have a mind. But, the mind has a strong non-material “feel” to it: What’s the weight of a thought? What makes emotions differ from one another? For those so inclined there’s the “added” dimension of spirituality. I think many people wrestle with the question: If the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, and peace, then why does my depression and anxiety rob me of those fruit of the Spirit? Are these fruits only for healthy people? Why should medication affect my ability to experience the fruit of the Spirit?

    We aren’t physical creatures–more precisely we are chemical creatures. More fundamentally, we are spiritual creatures. And I think the unfortunate circumstance that we find ourselves in is the harsh reality that when the channel is noisy (the brain) the signal (emotion/affect/duration) gets lost or skewed.

    However, I doubt that the psychological domain has a strong influence on God’s work in the soul. I think we often confuse psychological experience is where our interaction with God occurs and it’s not. More specifically psychological experience is where our interaction with the world occurs, or at the very least is represented.

    I don’t mean to create a strict dichotomy, but the mind-brain interfaces with the world and the heart-nous interfaces with God.

  10. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    David, a friend of mine with a deep understanding of words and the human heart created a diagram of the human being based on Orthodox.anthropology which puts the emotional and the psychological exactly where you do. The out most layer where we interact with the world.

    The place where we commune with God is in the heart of the third and deepest layer.

    I am convinced that depression and anxiety can ( emphasis on can) be part of the movement toward our deeper selves.

    It can be tough to let go of the idea that I am in control and the corollary that I am worthless because I can’t make things better. Thus the onset of the nameless dreads as I call them..

    There is something in there about our physical response too.

  11. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    David, Michael,
    I think that we may speak of the “deep self” and certainly identify it with the heart. I think it is quite the case that most people have very little knowledge of the true self, and that Christians generally have very little as well unless they have begun some disciplined asceticism with good direction. I suspect that if we truly knew the deep self, we would see God there. The soul is a mirror.

  12. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, very little knowlege to be sure but a certainty that it is there buried under the piles of rubble that I have dumped over it. But I wonder if it might be uncovered through a discipline of thanksgiving to God?

  13. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    Where does someone go to find ‘good direction to guide disciplined asceticism’ ? Does a person have to be associated with a monastery? Or do you mean keeping the calendar fasts?

  14. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Generally it’s done with a priest/confessor. Mostly I have in mind just the normal sort of calendar fasting – but far more the practice of sobriety (nepsis). It is a kind of attentiveness, and a “sorting.” In our culture especially, we have almost no mental/spiritual discipline. We treat emotions, for example, as things that happen to us over which we have no control. Rather than understanding what’s going on and how to go deeper, we flit about from this to that. No knowledge of the heart can come in that storm. Learning stillness (hesychia) is learning, on the one hand, to quieten the thoughts/emotions. The fathers call this attentiveness “nepsis,” that is, “sobriety.” It’s as though we’re “drunk” on all of the inner noise.

    It should be a normal part of every Christian life.

  15. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Mark,
    Mind you, in the story related by Fr. Zacharias, he was not making the distinction between monastics and those in the world. Fr. Sophrony rebuked him for trying to force this understanding/practice on less mature monastics. Fr. Zacharias’ thoughts are very perceptive pastorally. There are plenty of people (monastic or in the world) who get tangled up in the paradox of “keep your mind in hell” and are simply overwhelmed. The word then is “don’t push it.” Giving thanks for all things certainly has a deep paradox and contradiction at its heart – but it’s easier to understand and has a very practical means of application. I have found in my work as a priest and writer that Fr. Z’s distinction has been of help in getting many more people on the road – including myself.

    I think there is nothing in the distinction that creates an excuse for sin. That excuse comes from our own desire to justify our sins, and, as such is merely convenient. We are not doing the “dirty work” by shedding blood. We are doing sin and should not seek to justify ourselves as though we were doing something necessary. We are not.

    The monastic life is not a different form of life. It is the same life engaged with greater intensity. But, for what it’s worth, I think many modern monasteries are far less intense than their predecessors, just as we in the world are less intense in our Christian practice. Modernity (particularly in the First World) has created very sensitive souls. At least that’s my honest observation. I could go on and on as to why I think this is so – but I’ll just put it all under the heading of First World modernity.

  16. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    Perhaps you might find a moment to comment on Colossians 2 and asceticism: “Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.”

    As Mark mentioned above, asceticism isn’t prescribed in the scriptures. And my impression here is that the scripture would even discourage it. So, are ascetic disciplines like voluntary offerings at the temple: Unprescribed, but optional.

  17. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    The answer to my question is in Phillipians 3.

  18. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    David,

    I think I would have to take issue with your contension asceticism is not prescribed in the Scriptures. Jesus words in the gospel talk about counting the cost of discipleship as the very condition of genuinely following Him. He is the One who calls us to take up our own cross to follow Him in self denial. He also taught in a context where, as an observant Jew, He would have observed ascetic traditions Himself such as regular liturgical prayer and fasting. He may have hotly criticized the *hypocritical* public observance of these ascetic traditions of His faith, but not their observance in themselves, which He rather enjoined. Note also His 40-day preparatory fast in the wilderness where He was tempted by Satan. St. Paul to whose teaching you allude in your comment talked about buffeting his body to make it his slave lest he be disqualified as a participant in the gospel after having preached it to others (1 Cor. 9:27). Along with the self denial preached and modeled by Christ and the Apostles, there are the Old Testament prophets of whom according to Christ, St. John the Baptist, a renowned ascetic, was the greatest.

    It seems only an excessive idolatrous asceticism is forbidden in the Scriptures. A true godly asceticism is implicit from the Genesis narrative of the Fall all the way through Revelation and explicitly enjoined on believers in many places, such as the many calls to prayer, fasting and almsgiving throughout the Scriptures.

  19. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    It seems to me Christians in the world and monastics alike are called to self-denial implicit in following Christ. It’s just that its outworking will look different. A monk or nun is in a setting that provides space for giving him or her self over to hours of prayer, while a wifely and motherly asceticism properly lived is also a continual denial of one’s own needs and preferences for the sake of the well-being of husband and children. The same self-denial for the sake of Christ will have opportunity for its outworking in parish life, in the workplace, and in all aspects of the communities of which we are a part. When we do all our work “as unto Christ”, this, too, is prayer it seems to me.

  20. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Asceticism is normative for Christianity. Christ (Luke 5) specifically says that when the Bridegroom is taken away, his disciples will fast. The Didache (1st century) gives evidence that the Wednesday-Friday fast was normative even in the first century. St. Pauls mentions fastings and vigils. Acts refers as well to fasting and prayer. Christ makes it clear that some demons can come out “only by prayer and fasting.”

    There is this in 1 Cor.:

    And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. (1 Cor. 9:25-27)

    The passage in Colossians is referencing the prohibitions in the Law, which, according to St. Paul, miss the point. In my experience, many Orthodox Christians, particularly among converts (of whom I am one), practice fasting in a misguided manner.

    Orthodox fasting is not a version of Christian kosher. There are foods we abstain from, simply as an ascetical effort – because it makes us struggle. But many seem to treat those foods as if they are “unclean” on Wednesdays and Fridays, etc. Reading labels in order to avoid “milk products” is an example. Or refraining from some soup because it’s been flavored with a bit of meat, etc. It’s a form of fastidiousness but can be a terrible and useless distraction.

    Christian fasting is not kosher – it is a struggle. For example, if what is available isn’t perfectly “fast compliant” then just eat less of it. There’s any number of ways to keep the fast. The published “rules” found on some calendars and websites can be very misleading. They are actually only extracts from a more complete set of directions that are found in the Typicon directing fasting for monastics. And I have never met any among the laity who actually keep a full monastic fast (nor should they). That being said, almost nobody among the Orthodox keeps a “strict fast.” It’s moderated. Though some think that if they’ve obeyed the calendar they’ve achieved something!

    Worse still, fasting, according to the Fathers is utterly without use or benefit if it is not accompanied by prayer. I would add to that the giving of alms. I think it is a tragic spirituality that dances fastidiously about delicate interpretations of what is proper or improper to eat in the fast – but take no thought to prayer and the giving of alms.

    In the same manner, some give great attention to women’s head-coverings and the length of a priest’s hair, as if careful observance of such things is a sign of a more pure Orthodoxy, while at the same time practicing a false fast, ignoring prayer and alms-giving. And, of course, they write at length on the internet about these things and damage and bind the conscience of the immature and the anxious.

    Christ actually points us towards the heart in these matters – and away from mere outward observance. He does not condemn fasting (He Himself fasted) but He condemned a false fasting that was not properly directed toward the heart. Asceticism is utterly normal in the Christian life – but it needs to be a rightly-directed asceticism. It’s fruit is easy to see – love of the brethren, love of enemies, gentleness, meekness, joy, kindness. If these things are absent, then our asceticism is deeply misguided.

  21. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Fr Stephen
    In your response to Mark, do you mean a greater sensitivity in the sense of greater vulnerability to distraction, etc in First World modernity?

    I think that drawing an association of Orthodox Christian prayer rule and/or asceticism with Judaic practices is looking at these practices in a more ‘exterior’ kind of way., if I’m not mistaken myself. As an example, Christ fasted, and he without sin, therefore this practice isn’t a way ‘of law’ for the Orthodox. Although there was fasting in Judaic practice. Perhaps we need more elaboration, to understand these apparent associations. Also, we don’t restrict our practices to only those described in the Bible. The Orthodox Way is Tradition given to us.

  22. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Fr you already answered while I was typing. Thank you so much!

  23. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Dee,
    My answer to David has a bit more on the angle of proper fasting.

    As to the “sensitivity” statement…I mean that many modern personalities are quite neurotic. We do not bear suffering very well and cannot bear anything like a serious rebuke. There are many cultural reasons for this, I think. As an example, the use of the eucharist in a disciplinary manner, such that someone should refrain from the Cup for a period under certain circumstances, is a practice that is very difficult in our culture. The mere suggestion almost sends some people into a tail-spin of doubt, shame, etc., that they are unable to bear. I generally do not use it in my pastoral practice for that very reason.

    We are generally unable to engage in “strict” practices without doing so in the wrong manner, making it counter-productive. Some of this, I think, comes from a culture that is steeped in legalism and other things that have made us a very neurotic people. Guilt, in a healthy personality, should be a good and useful thing. In our cuture, it is rarely so. For most, our guilt is tied up in shame, and our culture is extremely ignorant of the dynamics of shame. In short, we’re crazy. I would point to the extreme dysfunctionality of our public life as an example of an extremely sick culture. Our present situation is, apparently, the best we can do and it is eroding day by day.

    It is as the fathers prophesied: In the last days, things will become so difficult that merely to believe will require more grace than was known by the great fathers of the desert.

  24. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Yes now I understand, thank you Father. Indeed this culture does seem to be crazy when it comes to understanding our behavior and to discipline, for example, to eating.

    My Protestant relatives were quite ‘put out’ when they were informed they could not receive the Eucharist when they visited my Church.. This response is the sensitivity you describe I think. And as you say, we’re very uninformed about the nature and impact of shame. I’m grateful for your work and writing on this phenomenon which is almost invisible to us. I’m reading your recommendations and at this time, St Siluoan too.

  25. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Father,
    Indeed, I agree with your assessment of our cultural condition, but why should there be “a serious rebuke” to begin with? Are we attempting a jab at “tough love” in some instances? I have been rebuked for drinking water while everyone else (of unmentionable clerical standings) downed shots of vodka. My point being, most of the serious rebuke I have experienced and seen has been largely misappropriated. I think it really takes a loving elder or priest to rebuke softly. It is rarely in how it is taken, as most rebuke is taken wrongly, but in knowing how to deliver it that makes the difference.

    And perhaps this from Fr. Sophrony:
    “On the whole, my days have passed without much outside contact. Because of this, I do not quickly arrive at conclusions. Now, however, I am not afraid of being seriously mistaken, supposing as I do that in our time millions of people of the most widely varying temperment and nationality live in a tragic merry-go-round of contradictions to one extent or another similar to mine.”

  26. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    sbdn andrew,
    I do not assume there needs to be a stiff rebuke – I never use them. However, my perception is that most people, probably myself included, would wither in the face of it. I’m saying that, particularly in our culture, gentleness is probably required at almost all times. The Scriptures say, “A word in due season, how good it is!” St. Silouan spoke about the gentleness of his father’s correction. And there is a reason why Silouan is as popular as he is – he is, indeed, a saint of our time. I do not suggest that we should be other than we are. I simply draw attention to how we actually are.

  27. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Again, I agree and thank you for your continued gentle guidance, while realizing too that you are human and I strive to be like you in this respect.

  28. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    “Tragic merry-go-round of contradictions”—perfectly put!!

  29. Maria W Avatar
    Maria W

    For David A. Foutch,
    I thought of you and your keen interest of the mind and brain when I read this. It is fascinating . I hope you don’t mind me wanting to share it with you and those of interest. My youngest son has the same interest.
    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/06/a-map-of-the-soul

  30. David A Foutch Avatar
    David A Foutch

    Thanks Maria!

  31. Jane Avatar
    Jane

    I have been thinking about the matter of ascetical striving. Some time ago, in my desire to follow more closely the teachings of Christ, I decided that one I could put into practice without much confusion or ambiguity was surely, “Give unto him that asks of you.” It’s something that is often qualified. But I remember how Kierkegaard said, (and I quote with much fuzziness) that Bible commentaries exist not to explain the teachings of Christ, but to explain them away. I thought I would take this one at least in a more direct fashion and train myself to have an open hand, for my automatic response to a request to be “yes”, without suspicion or judgement. If anything badly came of this, it would be “on” the other person, not me.

    I think this has been good for me, but not completely. I’ve been practicing it with my children too, for example, and they were turning out a bit whiny and spoiled. So I realized I also have a requirement to train them in self restraint.

    Then a few days ago, I was leaving a place of business and a man who had been loitering in the waiting area followed me out to my car. I had just sat down but hadn’t shut the door when he approached me. I try never to respond to anyone with fear, because I think that must be awful for them, but in some ways the situation was intimidating. There were no other people around. However, I sort of flipped to the default I had been cultivating. When he said, “Hey, ma’am” I didn’t shut the door or move to do so, I just replied causally, “Hey, how’s it going?”

    He said, “I’m doin’ all right, doin’ all right. Could I have a dollar or two?”

    I shrugged and reached for my purse. Meanwhile I was thinking sort of abstractly, “He could grab my pursue, he could seize the keys and take the car, kidnap and kill me, etc.” But I wasn’t having any physiological fear responses.

    Meanwhile he was saying, “Or it could be three or four dollars, whatever you think.”

    I opened my wallet and saw I had only a twenty. I asked him a little curiously (forgetting my manners, I suppose, but not in a “judgey” way) what he needed money for. He said he wanted to get a bite to eat. I handed him the twenty and he looked at me a little puzzled, at which point I kept my face carefully neutral and pragmatic, I did not want him to think I was “interested” in him. We exchanged a few more pleasantries and then he left.

    As he left, I felt he seemed mildly contemptuous and I felt tainted myself. . . by idiocy. A voice in my head said, “Jane, you are an idiot. You want to be a saint, but you are nothing but an idiot.”

    Then I thought maybe the “problem” was that I hadn’t explained to him that I only had the twenty after he had just asked for a couple dollars. Maybe that seemed a little condescending or something. Idk.

    I am not exactly sure why I am sharing this story here, but I know, Fr. Stephen, you and others who write here take the matter of spiritual development through ascetic discipline (which includes implementing Christ’s commandments as literally as possible, yes?) very seriously, and I hope to be on that road as well. This all felt mildly off to me, though, and I wondered about input. Please feel free to delete this comment if it doesn’t fit the spirit of the thread.

  32. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Jane,
    I also wonder to myself why giving a twenty to someone should be so “heavy.” It really is such a simple thing. It is often just as heavy to write comments on this blog. You rarely get responses. Mostly, we are misunderstood and I often feel like you–quite foolish for thinking I have such smart things to say. If you decided to write nothing ever again, no one would miss you or know anything different by your absence. And I think it is the same with this man. You are just another handout to him. He’d go on to the next person and ask the same question, “got some spare change?” All we have here are words. All we have for panhandlers is change. Its on to the next blog post and on to the next handout.

    But I think the “ascetic” action or impact is in all the personal reflection that goes on while writing comments and responses. We work at handing out twenties and blog comments towards a “letting go” for “whatever it is worth.” I like to think that I get closer to a deeper life of silence by perhaps saying it “all” here. Not sure that is working…. But I often feel like I’m talking to myself here and maybe God is listening in the next room. In both instances, is often an attempt at prayer for me.

    On a side note, our mission started putting together “care bags” that had water, basic hygiene stuff, chocolate bars, dried fruit, crackers, dog biscuits (many folks have dogs with them), kleenex, cookies, protein bars, Emergen C dry mix packets, instant coffee, etc. and a laminated icon of a saint with a prayer on the back. Sometimes we would include a few bucks, mittens and cap during winter months. And a prayer….

  33. Kristin Avatar
    Kristin

    Sbdn Andrew-

    Although commenting on this blog may seem an isolated activity between ourselves and God, I for one am quite enjoying getting to know frequent posters. I glean a great deal from the many people who comment here. I would love to meet so many of you in person and extend my hand in thanks.

    For what it’s worth, I am eager to read your posts when I see your name come up as a responder. You always have something interesting to say.

    I know that I do not know any of you deeply, and wouldn’t know any of you if I passed by you on the street, but this community is a precious thing. So much respect is given, wisdom expressed, and humility shown.

  34. Paula Avatar
    Paula

    Subdeacon Andrew,
    I’m just saying…you say things that just hit the nail on the head…not only that, but the way you say it … the comparison of the 20 bucks with blogging…your got some deep thinking going on, brother. I’m with Kristin…I look forward to seeing your name. But I get what your saying… blogging is not the optimum form of communication to say the least!
    About your side note…our local homeless man (small town) has two big dogs! I love the guy…we all know him!

  35. Learning to be still Avatar
    Learning to be still

    Thank you for this post, Father. I was tremendously relived when I read your comment about “the false distinction between psychological/emotional/physical/spiritual matters.” I heartily agree. We are not like automobile with their different parts: an engine block, a battery, a gas tank , a transmission. There is a not a part of me that is spiritual, a part of me that is psychological, a part of me that is physical and a part of me that is emotional. There is just me.

    The following are just some random thoughts about my experience.

    I have a condition called dysthymia, which the DSM-IV describes as “a serious state of chronic depression, which persists for at least two years.” I have suffered from dysthymia for over 40 years. It has been well controlled since I started taking Serzone and regularly seeing a therapist, some thirty-odd years ago. “Well controlled” means my family and I no longer have to endure the severe, paralyzing depressive episodes that made it almost impossible for me to even move.

    But that therapy, while necessary, has never been sufficient. I am also on a long spiritual journey that has lasted most of my life. That journey is not over, of course, because my life is not over.

    I guess my point is that it is all of a piece, I do not have a psychological problem here and a spiritual problem there. I have a cross to bear so, as commanded, I pick it up and bear it.

    Fortunately, Simon of Cyrene appears in various guises to help me out. Because of the way I have been made, I need medication to help me. I also need talk therapy, AA and a spiritual director to help me.

    But it is not a matter of having a flat tire and needing someone to fix that, and then having a dead battery and needing someone to fix that. I am a person, not a car, so I need help in growing and becoming more and more the person God meant me to be.

    I do not need to be fixed. I just need help to grow. I am a life, and life needs help to grow.

    Reminds me of St Paul.

    “What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. ” 1 Cor. 3:5-7

    Thanks be to God,

    Sorry to ramble. Just wanted to share. Thanks again for your wonderful blog.

  36. Jane Avatar
    Jane

    Thank you, Subdeacon Andrew, for the thoughtful reply. I read it through a few times.
    I believe I will remember what you wrote here:
    “But I think the “ascetic” action or impact is in all the personal reflection that goes on while writing comments and responses. We work at handing out twenties and blog comments towards a “letting go” for “whatever it is worth.” ”

    I had the thought that this also applies to the work of forgiveness. . . it is a “letting go” for “whatever it is worth.” Seeing our efforts as all of a piece in that spirit is a welcome vision.

  37. sbdn andrew Avatar
    sbdn andrew

    Jane, Kristin, Paula,
    Thanks for your personal presence reminder which says a lot about forgiveness and prayer being so much more impactful than the visibleness of it. Not sure if it was Maximus the Confessor that said something along those lines, where repentance and prayer, even on the smallest scale, affects reordering of the cosmos in quantum proportions.

    Incidently, I was reading a book of “world facts” this morning and one of the biggest explosions of a star seen by humankind and recorded was in 1054, the same year of the “official” schism of Constaninople and Rome (the East and West). That super nova is now seen with a telescope as the gas cloud Crab Nebula. The day this star was observed exploding is said to have occured on…July 4th!
    See you on the flip side.

  38. Paula Avatar
    Paula

    Sbdn Andrew!
    (shaking my head!) What an amazing story about the 1054 explosion…to be topped by exploding on July 4th. Now you tell me…coincidence?! God never ceases to leave me in awe! You just never know what’s next…..
    Yeah, I like the way you tie that in with The Confessor’s quote..

  39. Rozanne Avatar
    Rozanne

    Thank you so very much, Father, for this post!! It will be exceedingly valuable to many of us.

  40. Todd Isaac Avatar
    Todd Isaac

    There have been a few posts by Fr Stephen that have really grabbed me. Not that there would not have been more had I had the time to read them and peruse the comments. But this one, the comments very much included, have had me coming back and reading several times. Thanks for Fr S and everybody.

    I wanted to share a thought quickly. I realize the focus of the post is on the mind-brain connection and how we need to think holistically about that–“we are not physical vs spiritual beings.” I get that. But recently, in preparation for a lower level survey class in Asian religions I am going to teach to undergraduates, I have been re-reading lots of older books I read years ago on Buddhist meditation. I am Orthodox, or at least am trying to be, so I’d really love not to be attacked for thinking there is something to be gained from a basic awareness of the Asian traditions. You can study them and not embrace them.

    All of the Buddhist sects place emphasis on very basic concentration exercises. This can be as varied as counting breaths as you start to meditate, or even working on an art form like calligraphy or archery–as long as you do it regularly and work on the ability to stay focused–it can count. You go deeper from there of course. But not having this basic practice,it has been said, would be like trying to trying to play guitar without first learning how to tune a guitar and not knowing basic chords.

    I have Gabriel Bunge’s book on acedia (which Fr S mentioned in his post) upstairs and would like to find out how, if this is even there, basic concentration training exercises are part of the strategies developed in the desert to combat acedia. I suspect it is there somewhere. But I notice, just in a basic phenomenological sense, that when I stay focused on things I enjoy, as well as stay with my prayer rule and my practice of quite, and sometimes count breaths before I pray (something I did years ago when I actually practiced meditation) that I feel better. I am no Neurologist. But the front of the brain has the Frontal Cortex, which, as I understand, is where long-range planning and good decision making gets taken care of and built up. MRI scans of long-term meditators show this area getting stronger with practice. If we are to keep with the notion that we are material-spiritual beings and need an Orthodox world view and practice which reflects this, it seems to me that directing some thought to the issue of concentration training exercises could be of use. I also realize I am saying nothing new here. Forcing yourself to go to the Church’s service, to stand, to sing, to pray with the Church, to confess regularly, to give alms and pay attention to who might best receive alms–all that requires concentration. Priests tell us this all the time. But counting breathes before one says the Jesus prayer, or reads the lectionary readings, and training oneself to be really regular about this, can help too. I also think it can be an antidote to negative thoughts and a training of the mind against the addiction to the negative brain chemistry that gets reactivated every time we revisit certain thoughts. I know I am at my best when I simply stop dredging up negative scenarios that have not happened, and just stay on task with things I enjoy and give me a sense of purpose in the world and through the Church.

  41. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    Todd Isaac, the act of breathing itself is something that greatly focusing and calming in many Eastern philosophies and religions. I think of Yoga, which I used to practice, and how much focus simple breaths are given in that practice. The practice itself is not evil and has many benefits, both physically and psychologically. I can see where using this as a means of focusing one’s heart (and the emptying of it) on God in prayer and worship is of benefit. Physical benefits for the spirit take many forms, I think.

    Forgive me if I have misunderstood your question. Blessings to you.

  42. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Todd Isaac,
    Archimandrite Meletios Webber, in his book, Bread, Wine, Water, Oil, treats a bit of the topic. He describes the heart, but pretty much what he describes is the practice popularly known as “mindfulness.” It is a technique. Techniques are not without their use, and we shouldn’t shun them if we use them with understanding.

    Breathing, sitting, etc. are discussed in the Philokalia and elsewhere. Some of the exercises for practicing mindfulness (which are shared with certain practices in Buddhism) are, I think, basic for prayer. But we should remember, Buddhists have beads, Catholics have beads, Muslims have beads, Hindus have beads. We have beads, too (the prayer rope). Most religions practice some form of prostration. These things are simply human, on only seem “religious” because we live in a secular society in which people have stopped doing a lot of human things.

    Knowing how to be mindful is one of the things that moderns have forgotten – so much so that they think it is some sort of exotic religious practice. And then some Christians (including some Orthodox) get all frightened and are afraid that if you do something like that you’ll invite demons, etc.

    We would say, “Let the mind enter the heart.” Letting go of judging, weighing, measuring, etc. all the things that make of dianoia (discursive reasoning), is simply part of good prayer.

    Sometimes Orthodox writing about such practices is so couched in patristic language that people actually have no idea what they’re reading. Then they read the same thing in the language of modern psychology and assume it must be something different. My experience is that they think it must be something different because they have no experience and don’t know what they’re talking about. They defend words but have no idea what they mean.

    I would say regarding anxiety, that anxiety is impossible to live with until you learn to breathe. One of the most important things I recovered when I was healed was breathing. I had gone years without taking a long, deep, relaxed breath. I was taught (by a psychologist) a breathing exercise that will stop a panic attack within about 10-15 minutes, and lower your blood pressure as well. I don’t have to use it often, but I’m glad to know it. It reminded me of the breathing techniques my wife was taught by the midwife for enduring labor.

    Christians can be such silly things and superstitious about their bodies and about techniques. We have become aliens to our own existence. Orthodoxy is Christianity with a body, in a body, transforming the body. This is to say – it’s normal. It’s good to breathe!

  43. Boyd Camak Avatar
    Boyd Camak

    Thank you very much for this post.

  44. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Interesting that some think that practicing mindfulness lets in demons. The opposite is the case. They like to rile us up physically and psychology but true mindfulness goes where they cannot go without our direct and willful cooperation.

  45. Esmée La Fleur Avatar

    Thank you for this wonderful post Fr. Stephen… so much to ponder.

  46. Lily Avatar
    Lily

    I appreciate your characterization of panic attacks as a physical phenomenon. As a psychologist, I have seen many people who suffer from panic attacks. Over many years, I have come to the conclusion that they are caused by the adrenaline rush that you describe – something like a hiccup of the adrenal gland that keeps pumping until it realizes that there is no woolly mammoth to flee from after all. Anyone who has been through the misery of one is often concerned that another will occur, since they seem to come out of nowhere. Why our bodies would activate the extra adrenaline is not known.

    If people start diagnosing themselves as anxious or unable to cope, the problem only gets worse.

    In my experience, I’ve seen that panic seems to be a glutton for our attention. The more attention we give it (a natural response, especially if we have not had a panic attack before), the more it grows and the longer it lasts.

    I have had good results from working with patients during panic episodes by helping them to focus on other sensations, including breathing, warmth, an itch, or other systematically relaxing unusual places on the body like the ball of the foot or area beneath the knee, recalling how it felt to pet the cat or bait a fish hook. These are distracting tactics that seem to have the effect of slowing down that adrenaline “hiccup” until the system calms down, starving the panic reaction of the attention it needs to continue, so to speak.

    I did not come up with this approach on my own. I had a patient who was nearly disabled by panic attacks which occupied much of his day, every day, until he badly stubbed his toe while exiting the room during a panic episode. Naturally, his attention shifted to the throbbing pain in his toe, and when that subsided, he realized that his panic attack was diminished, too.

    He thought that maybe pain cured the panic, so he was thinking of pinching himself during a panic attack, but the cure was actually making a deliberate change of attention, distracting himself in a major way, and his panic attack, starved of attention, faded away. By keeping his mind on the panic symptoms and becoming fearful of having more, the problem had worsened.

    The lesson he taught me was that an intentional shift of attention to something else, even a little bit, starves the physical reaction of what it needs to continue. It might try to get attention again, but if the patient refocuses their attention on something else, considering the panic to be just a physical quirk and not a sign of some mental pathology, these panic episodes tend to get weaker and rarer over time. As they say, however, your mileage may vary. But for what it’s worth, here’s what I have seen to be helpful with some patients.

  47. Barbara Kuzara Avatar
    Barbara Kuzara

    As a Matushka and a mental health Nurse Practitioner your article is a balm to my soul. I sometimes feel I live in two worlds though I know in truth it is all one. The wisdom you have gleaned from your experience and study of the writings of the holy Fathers on what we now call depression and anxiety and your ability to share this with others is a wonderful gift of God I am very thankful for!

  48. DAVID WAITE Avatar
    DAVID WAITE

    Father bless. Fr. Daniel told me to read Dragon’s Wine and Angel’s Bread by Gabriel Bunge to help me with my anger. While reading about acedia I decided to see what you had to say, which brought me back here. (Back then I still called myself Learning To Be Still.) Re-reading your post and the comments teaches me how little I knew then, which teaches me how little I know now.
    I suspect I may come back to re-read all this again. Dino’s extended comment is especially helpful to me.
    All of the foregoing being nothing more than a very long way of saying, “Thank you, Father.”
    IC XC
    NI KA

  49. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Thank you Fr. This was a beautiful read.

  50. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, how does one deal proactively and positively with the use of psychiatric medications to control people rather than helping

  51. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    How do we embrace our suffering without drowning in it? Is a similar question I think, Michael.

    I’ve not many positive words for the use of drugs to deal with pain. But my path that I took when I suffered most, while without drugs or drink, was not necessarily one I would recommend, either. I lived a hermit’s life in all the humility and humble circumstances that such a word might imply. It was therapeutic in its own way. Nevertheless, eventually I received counseling. Later, thanks be to God, I received Christ. The troubles are not over. There are different kinds now.

    Dear Michael I have sincerely appreciated your words over the years here in this blog. May God bless you and your wife and son this feast of the Nativity, many more years of love and joy.

  52. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dee, as I have appreciated yours. Thank you for your blessings may God multiply them and return them to you and those you love.

  53. Bekah Avatar
    Bekah

    As someone who deals with anxiety on a very regular basis and also battles depression, this has been a wonderful and encouraging read. Our family is newly Orthodox (we were chrismated one year ago) and I come from an Evangelical background where mental health issues are frowned up and connected with the demonic. I would love to know, since this article is a few years old, if there are books from an Orthodox perspective regarding this topic? I feel like Orthodoxy is SO much more helpful for someone battling mental health struggles such as anxiety/depression than my Evangelical upbringing so I am very interested in learning more.

  54. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Bekah,
    Time and Despondency, by Nicole Roccas, is a good read. Our Thoughts Determine Our Lives, the life and teachings of the Elder Thaddeus of Serbia is a comforting and encouraging read as well. One piece of advice is that if you’re reading something and it troubles you, lay it aside. Just because it’s Orthodox doesn’t mean that it’s automatically the thing you might need.

    I’ve got a book on Shame and the spiritual life coming out in early 2023 that you might like as well…stay tuned…

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