Being Saved – The Ontological Approach

I cannot begin to count the number of times I wished there were a simple, felicitous word for “ontological.” I dislike writing theology with words that have to be explained – that is, words whose meanings are not immediately obvious. But, alas, I have found no substitute and will, therefore, beg my reader’s indulgence for dragging such a word into our conversations.

From the earliest times in the Church, but especially beginning with St. Athanasius in the 4th century as the great Ecumenical Councils took shape, the doctrines of the Church have been expressed and debated within the terms related to being itself. For example, St. Athanasius says that in creating us, God gave us “being” (existence), with a view that we should move towards “well-being,” and with the end of “eternal being” (salvation). That three-fold scheme is a very common theme in patristic thought, championed and used again in the work of St. Maximus the Confessor with great precision, as he matured the thought of the Church as affirmed in the 5th Council.

At the same time, this language of being was used to speak about the nature and character of salvation, the same terms and imagery were being used to speak about the Trinity and the two natures of Christ. That language continues up through the Seventh Council and is the language used to define the doctrine of the veneration of the Holy Icons. Conciliar thought, carried on within the terms of being (being, non-being, nature, person, existence, hypostatic representation, essence, energies, etc.) can be described as speaking in the language of “ontology.” Ontology is the technical name for things having to do with being (“onto” as a prefix in Greek means “being”). There is a “seamless garment” of theological exposition that can be discerned across the range of the Councils. It is ontological in character.

Tremendous work and discussion on the part of the fathers resulted in a common language for speaking about all of these questions. Thus, the term “person” (an aspect of “being”) is used both for speaking about the Trinity as well as speaking about human persons and the one person of Christ in two natures. It is the primary “grammar” of Orthodox conciliar thought. No other imagery or language receives the kind of imprimatur as the terms raised up into the formal declarations of the Church’s teaching. To a degree, everything else is commentary.

Many other images have been used alongside the ontological work of the Councils. The Church teaches and a good teacher draws on anything at hand to enlighten its students. Nevertheless, the dogmatic language of the Church has been that of “being.”

So what constitutes an “ontological” approach to salvation?

Here is an example. “Morality” is a word and concept that applies to behavior and an adherence to rules and laws. “Immorality” is the breaking of those laws. You can write about sin (and thus salvation) in the language of morality and never make reference to the language of being. But what is created becomes a sort of separate thing from the conciliar language of the Church. Over the centuries, this has often happened in theology, particularly Western theology (Protestant and Catholic). The result is various “departments” of thought, without a common connection. It can lead to confusion and contradiction.

There is within Orthodoxy, an argument that says we are on the strongest ground when we speak in the language of the Councils. The language of “being” comes closer to accurately expressing what is actually taking place. Though all language has a “metaphoric” character, the language of being is, I think, the least metaphorical. It is about “what is.”

Back to the imagery of morality. If you speak of right and wrong in terms of being, it is generally expressed as either moving towards the path of well-being-eternal-being, or moving away from it, that is, taking a path towards non-being. What does the path of non-being look like? It looks like disintegration, a progressive “falling apart” of existence. The New Testament uses the term phthora (“corruption”) to describe this. Phthora is what happens to a body when it dies. Death, in the New Testament, is often linked to sin (“sin and death”). It is the result of moving away from God, destroying our communion with Him.

For most modern people, death is seen as simply a fact of life, a morally neutral thing. It can’t be a moral question, we think, because you can’t help dying. But, in the New Testament and the Scriptures, death is quite synonymous with sin. When Adam and Eve sin, they are told that it will result in death (a very ontological problem). A moral approach to that fact tends to see “sin” as the defining term and death as merely the punishment. The ontological approach sees death itself as the issue and the term that defines the meaning of sin. Sin is death. Death is sin.

And so, the language of the Church emphasizes that Christ “trampled down death by death.” In the language of ontology, that simple statement says everything. “He trampled down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowed life.” This includes the destruction of sin, freedom from the devil, forgiveness of sins, etc. But all of those things are included in the words of “death” and “life.”

An advantage in speaking in this manner can again be seen in comparing it to a simple moral approach. Morality is about actions, obedience, and disobedience. It says nothing about the person actually doing those things (or it can certainly avoid that topic). It can mislead people into thinking that being and existence are neutral sorts of things and that what matters is how we behave. This can be coupled with the modern heresy of secularism in which it is asserted that things have an existence apart from God, that the universe is just a “neutral no-man’s land.” The ontological approach denies this and affirms that God upholds everything in existence, moment by moment. It affirms that existence itself is a good thing and an expression of God’s goodness. It says as well that it is the purpose of all things that exist to be in communion with God and move towards eternal being. It is the fullness of salvation expressed in Romans 8:21-22.

Moral imagery also tends to see the world as disconnected. We are simply a collection of independent moral agents, being judged on our behavior. What I do is what I do, and what you do is what you do, and there is nothing particularly connected about any of it. The language of being is quite different. Everything in creation that exists shares in the commonality of created being. What happens to any one thing effects everything else. There is true communion at the very root of existence.

And it is this communion of being that the fathers use when they speak of Christ’s Incarnation and our salvation. When the Creed says, “Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man,” it is speaking about salvation. It does not say, “Who, in order to pay the penalty that was due…” Such language can be used and has been used, but it is not at the heart of the Conciliar words of the Church. It is not recited every Sunday.

So how does Christ save us in terms of being? In essence (no pun intended), He became what we were in order to make us what He is. He became man, entering and restoring the full communion which we had broken. The Lord and Giver of Life, the Author of our Being entered into dying humanity. He took our dying humanity on Himself and entered into the very depths of that death (“suffered death and was buried”). He then raised that same dying humanity into His own eternal life. This is our forgiveness of sins. If sin is death, then resurrection is forgiveness. Thus we sing at Pascha:

“Let us call brothers even those that hate us and forgive all by the resurrection.” That sentence only makes sense in terms of the ontological language in which it is written.

We do bad things (immoral things) because we have broken communion with God. “Sins” are the symptoms and signs of death, decay, corruption, and disintegration at work in the soul. If left unattended, it will drag us into the very depths of near non-being in what can properly be described as hell. This is reflected in the Psalm verse, “The dead do not praise the LORD, Nor any who go down into silence.” (Psa 115:17)

In Holy Baptism, we are asked, “Do you unite yourself to Christ?” This is the language of being and communion. St. Paul tells us that in Baptism we are united to Christ in His death and raised in the likeness of His resurrection. He then adds that we should “walk in newness of life.” That union with Christ and infusion of His Life creates a moral change that can be described in the language of being.

The unity of language, I believe, is very helpful and salutary. It is easy for modern believers, nurtured in the language of morality, to hear teachings about the Trinity and the two natures of Christ, etc., and think, “What has any of that got to do with my life?” That is a natural conclusion when salvation is expressed in a language that is separated from the language of the doctrinal foundations of the Church.

There are some who have pushed the moral language into the language of the Trinity, such that what is important is the Son’s propitiation of the Father’s wrath. Such terms find no place within the Conciliar thought of the Church and can (and have) created problems. It is not that such terms have no use nor that they have never been used by any of the Fathers at any time. But they have a long history of being misused and distorting and obscuring the foundational doctrines of the Church.

In my own life, I personally found the language of being, when applied to my salvation, to explain the meaning of Scripture more thoroughly and connect my daily life and actions to the most fundamental doctrines of the Church. It allowed me to read St. Athanasius, St. Basil, St. Gregory, St. Maximus and a host of others without feeling that I had come to something foreign. It more than adequately addresses moral questions, whereas moral language cannot address anything else and creates problems and heresies when it is imported into the language of the Trinity. I should add that I have worked within this for nearly 30 years and have found nothing within Scripture than cannot be understood within the ontological understanding and that doing so frequently takes you deeper into understanding what is actually going on. It also forces you to ask the questions of “how does this relate to everything else?”

I hope this little introductory train of thought is helpful for those who are thinking about these things. It should explain why I see this as important and something that goes to the very heart of the Orthodox faith.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.


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155 responses to “Being Saved – The Ontological Approach”

  1. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    A few words (maybe as a sort of summary in the conversation). I’ve been in the Liturgy for the Dormition this morning, but meditating on our conversation all the while.

    I want to caution against the use of terms “conservative” “liberal” “moderate” with regard to Orthodox writers, thinkers. It is an importation and an imposition of the matrix that shapes our political world. It’s terribly inaccurate and basically invites battle lines. Thus, I will have edited a comment of Dee’s and removed that characterization (forgive me, Dee). That’s also a way of saying that I will be editing comments in the future (or moderating them) that characterize in that fashion.

    By the same token, the “ontological approach” is not a school of thought or a movement or any such thing. It’s simply a way of understanding the faith rooted in the Fathers, particularly in the writings surrounding the Seven Great Councils. It is the dominant form of thinking in St. Athanasius, the Cappadocians, St. Maximus the Confessor – the great Teachers of the Faith in that very seminal period. On the other hand, all of those writers are more than capable of making moral pronouncements that sound like a juridical approach. Moral preaching (something clergy do a lot of) has the same tone as instructing children (indeed, some of the fathers compare it to just such instruction). With children, you tell them what to do, but not so much why they should do it. An adult, however, is wiser if they themselves can answer the questions of why.

    But there is no division of this – two camps or whatever.

    I write for many reasons – my work on the ontological approach is done largely because it has been neglected by most modern Christians (of every background). It is a way of thinking within the Scriptures and antiquity and in the Fathers that our modern age gradually left behind. This is largely due to the philosophical shift that occurred some 500 years or so ago in which Nominalism became the normative way of thinking. In that philosophical framework, moralism and the juridical approach is the only thing possible. I’ve explain all that I think.

    But God forbid that anyone would think that our language has to be purged of all juridical references, etc. They have been around from the beginning, though we do well, if we are adults, to think carefully about what we mean when we use such language.

    So, I feel better now, having gotten all that off my chest! Have a blessed feast day!

  2. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    I am beginning to suspect that a road map of the Father’s is right there in front of me: our Divine Services.

    When I first became Orthodox, I had a great fear (that sometimes still arises) of the need to teach children in our parish. In my mind, this meant a need to create an Orthodox school; something that would bring up children in the truth and protect them from the desires and ideology of our secular society. My priest stated that all the necessary teaching of the Orthodox Church is found in the Liturgy, in Matins, in worship. He instructed me to listen to the hymns of the Church during Liturgy and it has been a great boon. Sadly, I still grow anxious from time to time and desire something more “formal”. It’s a difficult desire to shake.

  3. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Terry, after I read your question I was going to post reply but got interrupted. I would have said essentially the same thing: the Creed and the bishops in council.

    Simple unified answer from three independent sources.

  4. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Nicholas,

    Thank you.

    So far I’m handling the articles and posts I’m involved with, which is now this thread mostly.

    I hold in my hand the Nicene Creed. I already do a lot of what you recommend, The prayer book I use has several canons and akathists.

    I don’t feel like I’m drinking from a fire hydrant, but the flow is constant and weighty.

    As you shared, there is still lots to do.

    Thank you very much.

  5. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Father,

    So there is no one place which states this is the Orthodox faith: …….?

    There’s no such place in the Church of Christ.

    Thanks for explaining.

  6. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Hello, Ian.

    We should have a lot in common.

  7. MichaelPatrick Avatar
    MichaelPatrick

    Terry, if you have not had the privilege to hear Fr. Thomas Hopko’s talk titled “The Word of the Cross”, let me commend it to you. If you are interested, Fr. Stephen can send you my email address and I can easily get you a personal copy. Indeed, it would be my delight to do so! It answered so many of my questions and helped me go deeper. What’s more, Fr. Hopko’s wisdom effectively put a compass in my heart and mind that’s allowed me to profitably and safely pursue further learning even up to today – some 20 years later.

  8. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Father, I’ve read several statements from the seven ecumenical councils. They are not always easy to read.

    Some sound just like this thread on ontology and salvation, comprehensive and deep.

  9. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Michael B,

    Thanks.

  10. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Dee,

    Again thank you.

  11. Dee of St Herman's Avatar
    Dee of St Herman’s

    Thank you too Terry. I appreciate the moment for the reflections you inspired.

    Father Stephen,
    Please forgive me for interjecting the political into this thread. I repeated talk that gives political attributes to specific speakers, which I believed was wrong in the first place, but I should not have repeated them, regardless of my dismissal of them. Thank you for the deletion and I will be more diligent against doing this in the future.

  12. Mary Avatar
    Mary

    Dear Fr Stephen,
    I come to this post late and rarely post.
    This may not be related, but could you address if what I have heard elsewhere is correct.

    When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge their sin brought on death so that they would die and not live forever in sin. God did not want us to live fore ever in sin. They were expelled from the garden so that they could not eat of the tree of Life and therefore live fore ever in sin. Christ had to take on every thing of our nature including death, descend into Hades and rise again so that our nature (ontologically) would be changed and we would then be able to rise with Him and join Him in Heaven. If we didn’t die then we would live fore ever in sin and would never be able to join God in Heaven.

    Forgive my poor explanation and correct if it is not Orthodox teaching.
    Mary

  13. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Mary,
    This is essentially correct. I think one of the things I find most fascinating in reading the Fathers on things like sin and our natures, etc., is how little I understand the terms at first. We use most of the words in common speech, and so we think we know what they mean, but there are layers beneath layers beneath layers of understanding. Even the most simple story defies an easy understanding.

  14. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Is ontology totally mystical and spiritual and not at all literal?

    Thanks

  15. Mary Avatar
    Mary

    Dear Fr Stephen, so Christ died so our nature could be changed, not to pay a debt. What great Love God has for us!
    Mary

  16. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Terry,
    Not at all. “Spiritual” and “mystical” are not opposites of literal, by the way. It is true that things that are discussed, such as “being” and “existence” are larger than the words that describe them – but they are obviously real (since you and I exist we must be said to have some form of being).

    Here’s a very good example of ontological language. The NT speaks of marriage as a union of husband and wife. It does not describe it as a contract or an agreement (a legal or forensic arrangement). Instead, we say “the two become one flesh.” A literal fulfillment of that is their offspring (bone of bone and flesh of flesh). But the union of husband and wife takes place truly, and really, whether their are children or not. Moreover, St. Paul even says that fornication (such as with a prostitute) makes a union with her. He doesn’t describe it in moral terms (“breaking the law”) but in ontological terms. Something actually happened!

    Indeed, ontology is more literal than juridical language.

    In our modern culture, where the juridical has come to reign, the union of a man and woman has been reduced to nothing more than a contractual understanding. And most Churches were unable to say anything about same sex unions other than that they were breaking God’s laws. But they couldn’t actually say they were not real marriages, because they themselves had reduced marriage to a contract arrangement.

    Orthodoxy says that only a man and woman can have a union – it is ontologically impossible for a man and a man to be united. They can have sex – but they will not be in a union. Same-sex marriage reduces “marriage” to mere contract.

    But the Scripture uses the ontological imagery of a true marriage union to illustrate our ontological relationship with God. The Church is His Bride – she is bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh – not just a bunch of people with a contract.

    That might provide some food for thought.

  17. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    And most Churches were unable to say anything about same sex unions other than that they were breaking God’s laws. But they couldn’t actually say they were real marriages, because they themselves had reduced marriage to a contract arrangement.

    Father, did you mean to write “But they couldn’t actually say they were ***not*** real marriages”? Or did I just read that incorrectly.

  18. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    So, Jesus’ death on the cross was totally ontological? I don’t mean ontology vs the legal model. I mean in application.

    I think I see how ontology applies to ‘this world’, but how does it apply to the ‘next world’?

    In other words I think I see how ontology applies to the physical world, but how does it apply to the non-physical world. How can you (or can you?) use the same words, i.e., nouns and adjectives, to describe both?

    Thanks

  19. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Terry,
    Same problem, btw, when it comes to using our legal terms and applying them to God. Much of this falls in the realm of what is called the analogy of being – a good portion of which is beyond my pay grade. 🙂 In a nutshell, it is the notion that we can speak of God by analogy to His creation.

    One of the most profound theologians working today is the Orthodox David Bentley Hart. He is what would generally be called a “philosophical theologian.” He was written on the analogy of being. If Robert Fortuin reads this comment, I wish he would send a link to something good on the topic. His recent summary in a comment was excellent.

  20. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Terry,
    For me, the question, “Was Jesus death on the cross totally ontological?” is the equivalent of saying that His death was “real.” His death changed everything. In Him, everything was contained. He is the union of God and creation. In Him, all of creation died, and in Him all of creation was resurrected (and this is made clear in Romans 8). It will be made manifest at the end of all things.

    If anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation. That’s a pretty ontological statement (as is so much in the NT).

  21. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    There’s a lot on YouTube by David Bentley Hart. It would keep one busy for a long time.

    If ontology is analogical, can it also be said to be descriptive mysticism or descriptive metaphysics

    I like the marriage example; it speaks to me.

    Thanks.

  22. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    I have some of Thomas Hopko’s works

    He is on my list to reread and to read.

    Thanks.

  23. Onesimus Avatar
    Onesimus

    Terry,

    I hope that I can express this adequately;

    In the “economy” of salvation, Christ’s incarnation and self sacrifice make ontological unity possible again in a complete sense…but not in complete “application…”

    Vladimir Lossky calls this the “economy of the Son”

    But there is “another” economy (not truly another but a contuiation of the One economy of the Father through the Son and In the Holy Spirit.). the person and the “economy of the Holy Spirit.” There is a Trinitarian economy to salvation which is One. The Son came to do as the Father taught, and the Holy Spirit speaks not of His own but what the Father gives Him.

    This world and the “next world” are united thought Christ and we begin to partake now in the the next world through the Holy Spirit, and to shine forth the light of the next world to those in this world.

    Ontologically “it is Finished” in Christ. Ontologically it is being finished in us through the Holy Spirit. Christ is our prototokos and we are being “conformed to His image” through the Holy Spirit. But we can either participate with that finished grace, or we can “grieve” and “quench ” the Holy Spirit.

    I hope this makes some sense out of the “application” of ontology in “this world and the next,” as you put it.

  24. Onesimus Avatar
    Onesimus

    I want to be careful about the “not complete in application” part;

    Perhaps an excerpt from Fr. Hopko will put it in perspective;

    So St. Paul says, “I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake in my flesh. I complete/perfect/fulfill what is lacking in Christ’s affliction for the sake of His body, that is the Church, of which I became the servant according to the office given to me.”
    And I once asked my professor, “How could St. Paul say such a thing that ‘I complete in my flesh what is lacking in the suffering of Christ, for the sake of His Church, which is His body? ’ What the heck is that?” I said, “I thought everything was totally done by Jesus on the Cross.”

    And my professor said to me, “My dear, it is. Everything is perfected. When He died and said, ‘It is fulfilled, ’ it’s all done, except for one thing. It’s got to happen in you. And if it doesn’t happen in you, you’re not saved. You’ve got to die with Him. Otherwise, He’s died in vain.” So, this teaching is that’s how it surpasses the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, because it’s living as members of Christ, who are the light of the world and the salt of the earth by their activity as Christian disciples, as disciples of Christ.

    From his sermon on the mount series part 2 on AFR.

  25. Thomas Avatar
    Thomas

    Terry, I haven’t addressed you previously: hello!

    You wrote:
    Honestly, what I see here is much, much too much between me and the Bible.

    I would say yes — about 20 centuries and, assuming you are Western, the end of the western portion of the Roman Empire and the ‘Classic Period’, the rise of the Germanic peoples in Western Europe and the birth of Western Civilization, the Gregorian Revolution of the Latin papacy, the Protestant Revolution, the Cartesian Revolution — and a whole lot more.

  26. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Onesimus,

    ‘It is finished’ and ‘conformed to His image’ do make sense.

    Thank you.

    There is ‘now’ and there is ‘to be’, and they are ontologically connected.

    I hope that’s right.

    Is theosis to be understood ontologically?

    Thanks

  27. MichaelPatrick Avatar
    MichaelPatrick

    Terry, “I have some of Thomas Hopko’s works … He is on my list to reread and to read.”

    The Word of the Cross is a talk on CD sold by SVS Press. It is not available as a book and not a podcast. This talk simply must be heard by everyone.

    http://www.svspress.com/word-of-the-cross-the-cd/

    If you change your mind, Fr. Stephen can send you my email. I would be sincerely blessed to give you one of the copies I have.

  28. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Michael P,

    Yes, Father Stephen can send me your email address.

    Thanks

  29. Terry Finley Avatar
    Terry Finley

    Thomas,

    Thanks.

    You are so right.

    Thanks

  30. Jacksson Avatar
    Jacksson

    Father, you wrote “A moral approach to that fact tends to see “sin” as the defining term and death as merely the punishment.” Shouldn’t that be death is merely the result?

  31. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Jacksson,
    I said “punishment,” because in the moral account, it’s ultimately punishment that matters. Morality (keeping the rules in the juridical account) really only works if someone is enforcing the rules. Thus the “results” are punishments. I don’t like the juridical/moral account – because it wrongly depicts God, I think.

  32. John Dunn Avatar
    John Dunn

    Fr. Stephen:

    Thank-you, only just read this posting searching for some Orthodox thought on the loss of the ontological prefix towards the evolution of the Digital Man.

    The last century was harassed by the introduction of robots and computers, but this present one seems to be giving birth to a Digital Man. From where comes the ontological bond of love within the morality ruled from within a Digital universe?

    We Orthodox Christians confess God is Love, and that is an ontological relationship, for everyone who loves is born of God.

    But is there a de-ontologicalization experience manufactured through the use of hand held Digital Devices and PC’s which dis-engages traditional moral networks so as to cause them to have no perception of their ontological void as a loss?

    A complicated question about a complex reality, the following kinda expounds on why I ask the question,

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303321

    Thank-you,

    John Dunn

  33. John Dunn Avatar
    John Dunn

    On the de-ontoligization of Digital Man

    See;

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303321

    John Dunn

  34. Alan Avatar
    Alan

    Father, in this post (comments) you mention that it’s hard for most people to “read the Fathers.”

    I wonder if you’ve seen this site and if you think it’s helpful:

    https://www.patristics.co/

  35. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Alan,
    I had not seen this, but will look at it. One reason that it’s hard for people to read the Fathers, is that they think that simply “reading” will actually get them there. It does, after a fashion. But it does not rise to the level of understanding or scholarship. I’ve seen lots and lots of untrained people who have skimmed a bit here and there make huge pronouncements about the fathers – even arguing with bonafide scholars about things in which they have no training or skill.

    It’s a little like reading Scripture. Everybody’s got a Bible and can argue from it no matter how little they understand. We have too little regard for teachers. The internet is a great “leveler.” We all imagine ourselves equal because we googled an answer. I recently started chewing my way on a thick book on Diodore of Antioch and Theodore of Mopsuestia. It’s boring in the extreme, and filled with a world of footnotes and research that digs and digs and digs. I’m ploughing through it because it’s worth it. But just weeks before, I had an encounter with someone quoting Diodore and Theodore authoritatively after finding a few “pull quotes.”

    The fathers are important – but important enough to actually respect. It would be good to settle down with one and dig. Or, to read good, reliable secondary sources and compare them to other good reliable secondary sources. There are some truly bad examples of poor use of the fathers in our times – some of those examples get quoted a lot as though they were authoritative. It simply perpetuates a form of ignorance.

    Long answer. Looking forward to digging in the site. Thanks for the reference.

  36. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Some fresh thoughts that I hope will be read:

    Our instinct (born of our modern culture) is to think about the “problem of the poor.” And then our instinct is how to “help” them. This misses the point. Even the poor miss the point – because, like the rest of us – they want to be part of the great success story.

    No. First, we must become poor. For some, that is a frightening thought. But it is a right thought. If you cannot start with your money and wealth, then begin with your heart. Pray and say, “Christ God who became poor for my sake, help me to become poor for yours.”

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.”

    What I know of the poor is that they are far more generous than the rich. I knew a man whose car was broken. Another man who lives on about the poverty level got a used car, and gave his other car to the guy who didn’t have one. That story is actually quite common. Rich people do not give each other cars. They don’t give cars to the poor. They simply don’t think like that. But, this man was poor in spirit. He was absolutely happy that he was able to do this because he’d been in the same position himself before.

    (Of course, I know some rich who do give in this manner. They are blessed because they are learning to become poor.)

    If you need help, go to a poor person. They’ll share their stuff. Go to the rich, and, most likely, they will think about how to help you help yourself, etc. We give in a manner that protects us.

    So, we pray, “help me to become poor for your sake.” And then, go through the gospels and find the commandments. “Give…forgive…pray, etc.” Whatever Christ has said – and write them out – (writing is even better than typing). And then work slowly at keeping them, one by one. A holy monk once said that if we keep even a single commandment with all our heart, it will open the Kingdom of God to us.

    God will hear our prayers.

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (Jn. 14:23)

    It’s a small path…but it works.

  37. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Father,
    I’m grateful you’ve written a few more words on this important point. I will not divulge much history here for now and will acknowledge, in vague terms that I have been ‘better off’ in certain points in my life and in other times of my life ‘on the critical edge’ of this society, in financial terms. What that means materially, I shall for now, keep in private. I know enough from this personal experience to corroborate what you have written here. I have been offered clothes, food and yes even a car, from other ‘poor’ folks, when I was in need. Very few people, I suspect, understand what you have written whether poor or rich, because of the social/political/economic and ‘religious’ narrative that is promulgated in this society. Unfortunately I hear it among the Orthodox as well.

    I have no intention to over-generalize or objectify economic classes in this society, but would like to share a conversation I had recently in which I heard a defense of those who have riches, and hidden in the defense of the disparity between the classes was a tone of disparagement expressed in the usage of the word ‘entitlement’. Ironically, when the person made the disparaging remark, that “some people think themselves ‘entitled’”, I had thought they meant the ‘rich’ when in fact they had meant the poor, and the “hand-outs” they receive from the government. I didn’t know how to respond without getting into a social/political morass. And so I didn’t respond and probably had a funny look of surprise on my face. Apparently, the person thought I would be sympathetic to such thought and yet I didn’t attempt to ‘enlighten’ them otherwise. I had (and have) the belief they wouldn’t have understood.

    Given such perspectives as this, and the readiness that I see in others to ‘protect’ the pretext of entitlement of the rich (“they ‘earned’ it”), I actually find it quite hard to have a generosity of the heart to the rich as I would to the poor, for which Christ, as I understand it, might command us. God willing at some point that will change and by the grace of God there may be more generosity in my heart to the rich. Ironically also, I don’t envy the rich in the least.

    It seems that few people in this society really understand the dragons that live in the waters of the rich. Again, because of my life history, I do. The name of one dragon is “being ‘comfortable’”. Having material riches, I have found, is a recipe for spiritual and physical complacency, and worse outcomes, for the worldly-weakened heart. There is an avoidance of ‘looking within’ with honesty, an avoidance of struggle or of heavy work that can be uncomfortable. In such a world that we have, where all is a commodity, a comfortable life that can be bought is privileged to be called a ‘success’. From my personal experience, I can say it is easy to fall into such comfortableness.

    In all honesty, I don’t want to be so close to the ‘edge’ in poverty as I have once been in my life. But I do not dare aspire to riches and to the lives I have witnessed (and lived somewhat tangentially) of the rich either. To the best of my knowledge, Father, most people who will read your words, “So we pray, “help me to become poor for your sake”, will understand the words in the abstract but in their hearts hope not to experience the physical/material reality of such a life. And in this regard, I cannot point my finger to someone else without pointing it first to myself.

    In your last words, I believe I hear something to the effect, ‘it’s ok to start with baby steps’ just so long as you sincerely begin the work

    I pray to God that with His help, I will follow this ‘small path’, I sincerely appreciate your recommendation and your ministry.

  38. Paula Avatar
    Paula

    Father,
    Again I thank you for your words. I wish I could express it better than just to say thank you all the time. But I think you understand.
    I accuse myself of being too pessimistic because I see the mess that we are in and do not make excuses for it. I in no way exclude myself from it either. It is driven home even more since I began reading your blog. (this is a good thing, Father, offering answers to my melancholy). They only thing that has kept me from total despair is Christ. I remember the turning point, the day I “heard” Him. As for the riches in this world, I have come to despise the lie about them. It is no wonder Christ warned us over and over about riches and the lure of wealth. It takes a miracle for a rich person to actually be poor in spirit, but as you say, it can be done. And it has been done in some people. But I can honestly say, of all the people that I have known that “love” their money (I have been close to a few) I strain deeply for evidence of poorness in spirit. They try to justify their distance from others while performing acts of charity, but their attitude and words give them away. They “help” the homeless, or the ones who’s outward appearance is disheveled (stained clothes, messy hair, bad teeth…you know…) but if those people hang around for a bit too long in their presence, it becomes an embarrassment to them…and they want them to go away…they deep down despise them…because it is a threat to their love of money.
    So when I speak like this I am accused of “judging”! If I judge anything, it is the depravity of our misplaced passions. We are all guilty. It is ingrained in the very fabric of our culture to the point that we can not recognize it…and if we do get a hint, we make excuses … oh we worked hard…oh we are “entitled” and they are not (Dee!)…God helps those who help themselves….go pull yourself up by your bootstraps….get a life….it is dangerous out there and we must protect ourselves, build a wall, put up a fence, put up the signs…(makes about as much sense as building the Mexican/American boarder wall…costing billions…and we justify this!)
    Dee…I appreciate your words too. The rich, who need the gospel as do all of us, are the hardest to reach.
    As many do here, and Father especially, you express yourself well, in a manner well thought out. It is a good balance to my focus and expression of only the dark side…one of the main reasons why I appreciate this blog. I need the balance!

  39. Geri Priscilla Avatar
    Geri Priscilla

    Much to ponder. We spent a good deal of time this morning wondering how to become poor. We have so much and have been thoroughly indoctrinated in the spirit of the times (financial planning). We learned to tithe years ago as the result of prayer, so we will follow your admonition to pray about this. We have definitely thought more in terms of how to help–out of our plenty. To become poor we would probably need to sell our paid-for asset in land and house (which, by the way, has a gated entrance needed for horses by the previous owner). Then, do we become a burden to our children? Do we give them their “inheritance” now? It quickly becomes “justifiable” to stay where we are. Much to pray about. I had never thought about trying to become poor.

  40. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Geri,
    It is tough…I need to pray too! My wife and I have a standing joke. When our relatives die we don’t get an inheritance. Instead, we, with our other family members, fork out money for their burial! Yet, we’re still in the top 10% of world earners with assets over
    $65,000. We think we’re poor if we look up the ladder. If we look down it, we’re indeed rich.

  41. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Dean, et al
    Don’t get me wrong – I’m squarely there in the middle-class with most others in the nation. I write to “us.”

  42. Curtis Avatar
    Curtis

    This was an awesome essay. I enjoyed reading it and learning. Well done fr.

  43. Mary Avatar
    Mary

    Fr. – this is a helpful article I return to often! But when I read scripture, my upbringing is just so ingrained that I just keep reading the moralistic approach. It sometimes feels like scripture and these ideas are totally separate. Any suggestions what to keep in mind as I read to make it easier?

    Also, I relate to this: “friends said behind my back that I was becoming Orthodox in order to have more rules in my life…” My sister accuses us of believing in a “works” salvation because we have more “rules.”

  44. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Mary,
    Here’s a thought: You get advice from two different sources, and both say the same thing. One of them is a lawyer and the other a doctor.

    The advice: Quit drinking.

    The lawyer says this because you’re in trouble for a drinking violation and he wants you to get cleaned up for a court appearance.

    The doctor says this because you’ve got a liver disease.

    The first case is just legal/moral stuff. It doesn’t actually affect you – only your standing before the law.

    The doctor cares about how you’re actually doing. Legally, the liver problem person can keep drinking, but it will kill them.

    In the ontological approach there are still “rules.” But the rules are like medical advice (in order to save our lives). In the forensic or moralist approach, the rules are legal matters that you follow to avoid being punished.

    The “rules” within Orthodox are always and only for the salvation (healing, sanctification, etc.) of our souls. It’s why we are able to “adjust” the “rules,” as easily as we do.

    We are told to fast because it is good for our souls (Jesus said that the time would come when His followers would fast). But the rules of fasting are constantly adjusted for individual needs to fit their situations – because it’s about the health of their soul and not the rule itself. The rule itself, in the ontological approach, has no inherent value. As Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” And His disciples lived accordingly and He justified them and defended them when the Pharisees attacked them. The Pharisees only cared about the rule and made the rule greater than the people the rules were meant to save. They wanted to save the rules, even if it destroyed the people.

    God cares about us – our well-being. The rules are only things that are there to help us. Nothing more.

  45. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Mary, your friends I am afraid are unaware. I remember Fr. Peter Gilquist of blessed memory, gave a sermon at my parish years ago in which he said how much freedom he felt after becoming Orthodox because there were not as many rules.

    Two rules only: Love God, love your neighbor. Now love means you think of those you love before you self and ask forgiveness when you hurt someone.

    Make no mistake our sin hurts God, they sadden Him — that is why He died on the Cross.

    There are all kinds of ways to demonstrate and to receive love. We do a lot of those together with one another and just personally. Worship, prayer, fasting, almsgiving, repentance, forgiveness.

    These are only “works” when we forget Jesus is fully man and fully God and with us.

  46. Mary Avatar
    Mary

    Thanks, the metaphor is helpful! After posting, I spent some time re-reading about the cross, and I was pleased to realize the scriptures never refer to satisfaction, Jesus being punished, or God’s wrath in relation to it. Its easy to logically believe Orthodoxy, but much slower to have another Orthodox mind.

    And yes, sadly, for my friends, although they have much fewer “rules,” within their belief system they are immediately condemned for breaking any of them . Thank God, I often find salvation through my failures in fasting and prayer rules.

  47. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    To my thinking, the key metaphor is Jesus’ own characterization of Himself as the “stronger man” who binds the strong man of this world — given as refutation of the accusation that He cast out demons by the power of Satan.

    Every Easter season, there is something that strikes me through all the services. This year it was Christ’s power overcoming death. For some reason, in English I always associate “immortal” with “eternal life.” But in Greek, I hear the word “athanatos” — not death. Although “immortal” literally means the same thing, it just doesn’t strike me as strongly. What astonished me was Christ’s power to defeat the toughest enemy: death. With God all things are possible, and anybody can be saved. There is hope for everyone. It also seemed to say to me that we are saved from the ground up, nothing reserved, because *everything* was assumed. That’s a power beyond any other reckoning.

  48. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Mary, freedom requires more responsibility and inter-relationship than most, including myself are comfortable with. Human beings on the whole crave the law because they cannot imagine order without it. If we are to experience salvation we must go beyond the law because it is written on our hearts and we fulfill the law, by grace, out of love with no compulsion. It is scary. It can feel like traversing a tight rope 100 feet off the ground with no net. Until we realize that even if we fall, Jesus is right there.

    That is why I love the icon of Jesus saving Peter from the waves. Contemplating that icon has strengthened my faith.

    Most modern theology has unfortunately made Jesus seem far away, or worse only an idea. He is a person just as each of us is but a person fully united with God without confusion or separation.

    So, marriage is an icon of the actual reality of how close He is and how close we can become with Him. It is almost congugal.

  49. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    “He is a person just as each of us is but a person fully united with God without confusion or separation.”

    Yikes, everything after ‘but’ contradicts everything before it. No small thing.

    Be it as it may, the big question in any case is, so it seems to me, “who then can be saved?”

    I have come to answer that question, as does the great Nyssen, as either none of us, or all of us.

  50. jacksson Avatar
    jacksson

    Onesimus,
    Somewhere back in this huge chain of posts, you commented on how the church used terms of the Greek philosophers and basically changed their meaning. Your comment reminded me of something I read in the Wycliffe Translators publication many years ago. It went something like this:

    The translators were having trouble dealing with the term ‘Lamb’ of God and trying to tell the local Irian Java people what a lamb was, they had never seen a lamb. The issue was solved at that time by substituting the lamb with a pig, a pig being a important animal for the local people.

    I read another one of their books where the translator is on a hunting expedition with some tribes people. They paused midway in the middle of the day to eat. The translator reached into his backpack and pulled out a piece of a large chocolate bar. He suddenly had 13 pairs of eyes looking at him as they squatted on a log over a ravine. The nearest man said, ‘what is that’? He ended up getting the piece of chocolate to try; he suddenly had 13 pairs of eyes looking at him. When asked, what does it taste like, he replied, ‘ like pig liver’, the best thing that he could think of.

    The pig became part of their ‘religious’ language. That is how the church has always dealt with problems,; keep the important things the way they are and be willing to change as necessary. It is kind of what Dean says, big T and little t.

  51. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Robert, it seems to contradict doesn’t it? He became man that we might become God. It is scandalous, It is irrational. It is an antinomy that cannot be contained or “understood”. It just is. He is the person. We are persons because He is.

  52. elbowwilham Avatar
    elbowwilham

    Viewing salvation ontologically kind of puts the whole salvation through works vs faith argument in completely different light. Ontologically, can you separate faith and works? Judicially you easily can.
    Fascinating stuff. Is this why the faith vs works debate came up in the west but not the east.

  53. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Elbowwilham,
    I would say yes. It’s just not an inherent problem in Orthodoxy.

  54. Alan Avatar
    Alan

    Father, thank you very much for bringing our attention back to this outstanding post. The article itself, along with many of the comments, are most helpful!

    BTW, that’s a great point you made Elbowwilham.

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