The Unmoral Christian Revisited

bear-and-monk-russia-30-11-13My article, The Un-moral Christian, along with You’re Not Getting Better, have continued to generate conversation around the internet, and within parishes. At least that’s the impression I get from numerous conversations, emails, social media, and even phone calls. Most of those conversations seem to be serious and are engaging the question of how Orthodox Christians should think about the moral life. A recent conversation in my parish has yielded some additional thoughts for me that I think might be helpful to others. At its core is the question of “moral progress.”

There is an abiding discomfort for many with my assertion that we generally do not see moral progress in our lives. That discomfort comes from many directions. Perhaps the most serious is the question that asks, “Then why bother? If we are not making progress in our battles with the passions, why make the effort?”

The crux of the issue lies in the very meaning of moral progress. In any normal meaning of the phrase there is an assumption that as we progress, we become better at things. We have less trouble with the passions: anger, greed, envy, jealousy, pride, etc. We make right decisions with greater ease and less confusion and turn away from evil with greater strength.

For some, moral progress is presumed to be part of our “synergy,” our cooperation with God in our salvation, a doctrine that figures prominently in Orthodox theology. Thus, many would look for moral progress as a sign that indeed the work of God in their lives is truly taking place and bearing fruit. We are told that the “fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control (Gal 5:22-23). Surely this constitutes moral progress!

It is in thinking about this that we need to be careful, even somewhat precise. The distinction I am making is important, and perhaps too easily missed. What St. Paul describes is the “fruit of the Spirit,” and not “moral progress.”

My parish conversation turned on the example of a recovering addict/alcoholic. It is possible for an alcoholic not to drink, to live a life of sobriety. What is not possible is for an alcoholic to drink responsibly in a controlled manner over a sustained period. Thirty years of sobriety will not change this fact. No amount of not drinking will make an alcoholic a better drinker. In that sense, there is no moral progress.

But surely sobriety is better than drunkenness? It is indeed. But what it represents is not an improved life, but a completely different mode of existence. It is not an improvement of the “Old Adam.” It is the “New Adam.” Someone might object that I’m using an example from outside the Church, apart from the sacraments, even outside of Holy Baptism. I am indeed. Such is the grace of God.

It comes down to this: We can live a miraculous life, in which, by the Spirit, we live remarkably victorious over the passions, or we can live a moral life in which our best efforts will remain about as good or bad from one day to the next for the rest of our lives. Our victory is not a moral victory, but life from the dead.

The life that St. Paul describes as the “fruit of the Spirit” can be compared to St. Peter walking on the water. No matter how much Peter might have practiced and struggled, he would never be any better at walking on water. His experience went from the miraculous life enabled by union with Christ to the moral life in which he nearly drowns.

The moral life brings its own sad temptations. Most poignant is its tendency to judgment. “If I can do it, so can you!” Those who imagine that the good life is lived through human effort (even with a little Divine assistance) quickly begin to value the human effort above everything else. They imagine that the moral crises of our time can be addressed through argument and legislation. Their judgment inevitably leads them to anger. It is why so many “good” people are today so angry. Our adversary cares nothing about morality: the anger is sufficient for his purposes.

The burning desire of almost every alcoholic that I know is to be able to drink responsibly. To simply have a drink or two, relaxing with friends, without the insanity that ensues when he loses control, is a never-ending fantasy. But if he yields to the fantasy he discovers that he has made no progress whatsoever. There can be no successful practice of “moral” drinking. The same is true for us all. We would like to make “moral progress,” to become the kind of people who can be trusted to do the right thing. But it’s a fantasy. We can either live the miraculous life of Christ or the moral life of man. The moral life of man does have progress – it progresses steadily towards death.

There is one last objection to the distinction I have offered here. It is the one that suggests that I’m simply engaged in word-play, making “morality” into a straw man. All language is a playing with words – it’s what we do. But these words are about an important distinction. The experience of that distinction can be seen in the successful sobriety of a recovered alcoholic, in the miraculous life of a saint, or in St. Peter’s stroll on the Sea of Galilee. It can also be seen in the angry judgments of frustrated moralists who imagine that with a bit more knowledge, a bit more effort, an occasional assist from God, they will, at last, live a better moral life, and happily buy one more round for everyone in the bar – from which they will crawl home one more time.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a priest of the Orthodox Church in America, Pastor Emeritus of St. Anne Orthodox Church in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. He is also author of Everywhere Present and the Glory to God podcast series.



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86 responses to “The Unmoral Christian Revisited”

  1. Luke Avatar

    YES. Thank you again, Fr. Stephen, for these articles, reflections, and signposts on the Way. They are VERY important for a time such as this, and have been light to many. Thanks be to God!

  2. Dino Avatar

    You make this very important topic even more clear with this last article! (and also pertinent to the day this Sunday parable of the Pharisee and the Publican). Thank you!
    Glory be to God!

  3. Andrew McCombs Avatar
    Andrew McCombs

    I back up Luke on this. This series of articles are fantastic. Bless, Father!

  4. Nancy Ann Avatar
    Nancy Ann

    Again, Bless you for your words and I pray for you and am so thankful to God for your guidance.

    How does gluttony fit into all of this. With an alcoholic it is certainly not easy to refrain from alcohol but with a person who struggles with the addiction of food, one still has to eat. Currently, I do a low carbish sort of thing as my body is so messed up with the years of abuse that I must refrain from sugar and have a low or moderate amount of carbs. This diet helps me feel better physically and emotionally. But, it is hard to eat this way all the time. For instance Super Bowl is tomorrow, will I not eat the chips? Or Christmas or Pascha or Birthday? You mentioned how an alcoholic desires to be able to drink moderately but it’s a fantasy. Am I in the same fantasy by trying to eat birthday cake on my birthday or chips on Super Bowl?

  5. Wayne Avatar

    This is a wonderful conversation on the possibility of personal progress and its propriety as a goal (and it also offers an interesting parallel to the one on societal progress which you have touched on in other articles). “The righteousness which is of God by faith” is not a self-help program (Note: I’m not taking aim at AA here which does attempt to point its members to a “higher power” by advocating “surrender” with slogans like “let go and let God”).

    Apropos of sobriety, however, there is a third possibility besides the alcoholic that realizes sobriety in surrender to their higher power and those who fail due to their attempt to drink socially. There is the “white knuckle” or “dry” drunk who continues to struggle against their desire to drink merely in their own strength — what Robert Pirsig calls “ego strength” and what, St. Paul, I think, would refer to as “the strength of the flesh” (in contrast to the power of the Spirit).

    The white-knuckle drunk (I suspect) is looking forward to a day when he is cured. The alcoholic who has surrendered to his higher power, on the other hand, has done so, “just as I am” (which, rumor has it, is the only way to come to Christ). The former is a victim of his stinkin’ thinkin’ (to borrow an AA/Al-Anon expression). The latter is facing reality:

    “Hell is a state of mind – ye never said a truer word. And every state of mind, left to itself, every shutting up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind – is, in the end, Hell. But Heaven is not a state of mind. Heaven is reality itself. All that is fully real is Heavenly. For all that can be shaken will be shaken and only the unshakeable remains.”― C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce

    Thanks for the ongoing reflections on progress, both personal and societal. This link is a kind of chronicle of my own “tug-of-war” over the years…

  6. Byron Avatar

    Thank you again, Father. Each post you present brings more clarity to the distinction you are noting! God bless,

  7. Wayne Avatar

    Apropos of diet, based on my research and personal experience, there are both similarities and differences between our struggles with food and other types of struggles or addictions. Being present seems to be essential to a realization of “the power of the Spirit” in any event (i.e. the tug-of-war almost always finds us when we are lost in thought–e.g. thoughts of “progress” or “accomplishment”).

    Other things being equal, here are some tips that I have found helpful with regard to diet:

  8. Warren Aldrich Avatar
    Warren Aldrich

    The idea that an alcoholic can never drink again is just not true. It is for freedom that we are set free. As the person above points out about eating, a person who is addicted to food must not learn to stop eating but move to a different relationship with food. Same with a person who is married and feels they are a sexual addict, and I’m sure there are other example.
    True transformation can be a transformation of soul and spirit and can be assisted by the Spirit certainly with the end result being true freedom and true transformation. What I find perplexing is that both believers and unbelievers can undergo transformation that deeply affects their lives. Although I’m perplexed, I’m glad that it happens.

  9. Susan Cushman Avatar

    I have similar thoughts as Warren Aldrich about the alcoholic. Medical science is divided on this issue (of whether or not an alcoholic can ever again drink moderately), so I’m not sure it will hold up for your comparisons here, Father Stephen, although I understand where you are going with it and I agree with your general premise that the goal of the Christian life is not moral progress. Thanks for keeping the dialogue going.

  10. Dominic Albanese Avatar
    Dominic Albanese

    all the thinking does not help Mr A is dead wrong a true addict/alcoholic can never drink or use again…key word TRUE…there are problem drinkers and occasional users who are not “powerless” they can and often do moderate and control the substance .. real one (like myself) can never have “just one” of any thing…beside that once you surrender to the Will care and protection of God you misery is lifted…to go back to any form of sinful excess is to deny the grace the mercy shown….this is a long time sober speaking…the more is revealed is the key…..I have found dealing with the symptoms is the path way to absolute trust …God will direct the next set of “challenges”…I over reacted in some of my comments before…due to the fact I still see so much of religion about “we know better” than the true inclusion of the the needy…that said thank you Father Steven….more “clergy” would be better served dealing with normal moral struggles as opposed to the whole as I see it reward syndrome….we all make our own choices….the ones we make (or I did) in absence of prayer and guidance usually wind up drunk arrested or dead

  11. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Many can question whether the alcoholic can ever drink again. Medical science has long not been a helpful friend to the recovering alcoholic. My money remains on the collected wisdom (“courage, hope and strength”) as shared in the fellowship of AA. And they’ll be quite clear – you will not be able to drink again. And they would say, if you can, you were never an alcoholic. I know plenty who have lapsed after 10, 15, 20 years who would stand by the experienced contention that it is not possible. Frankly, the “medical” hope of things being otherwise is dangerous stuff. The thing that makes for relapse. But that is ultimately not my point – it’s just an example. But I hold it to be true based on 35 years of pastoral experience and many years of involvement with people in recovery.

  12. Tullius Avatar

    I have very much appreciated this series.

    Mostly I think I understand, that pursuit of moral improvement is a category mistake–sort of like telling oneself, “If I only train myself to jump higher, I’ll learn to fly.” On the other hand, I’m not sure the separation of our moral impulses (behavior, etc.) from the directing of our energies in cooperation with God’s is yet fully coherent to me. (I’m still new to much in Orthodoxy.)

    I recognize that virtue is not developed directly, i.e. by trying to be more virtuous; but I can conceive of it as an indirect effect of greater union with God, as our energies and impulses are absorbed in (or replaced by) an ever-growing preoccupation with Divine life and Kingdom priorities. In this way, I had thought of it as the inverse of the Problem of Hedonism: viz, the worst way to achieve happiness is by attempting to be happy. So if happiness can be instead a byproduct of a more meaningful, self-sacrificial life, why can’t virtue be a byproduct of theosis?

    I’m probably showing how much I misunderstand. But that’s fine with me, since I’m asking to be taught.

    Given my nascent understanding, however, I have my doubts about the analogy with alcoholism. In fact, it would be rather disheartening to me to think that an alcoholic must regard himself as never fully free of his addiction. Is “alcoholic” just his true identity? Does such an assumption leave him at the mercy of fear and self-condemnation (or the shame, as you put it once, that he just “IS something wrong”)? Does that light burden and easy yoke that Christ offers not admit the possibility of full release? He may be filled with the Holy Spirit, and therefore not drunk on wine (Eph. 5), yet not merely in control of his behavior?

    Granted, alcoholism was not really the point. The point I take it is that sin is even more of a disease than alcoholism, something too deep for the realm of simple morality, so much so that the greatest saint never ceases to call himself a sinner. But is it not accurate to think that immorality gradually decreases and even ceases to tempt the one who turns his heart more readily, more habitually, toward the presence and pervasive love of God?

    As Isaiah says, “You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you.”

    Sorry to belabor points you probably have already addressed.

  13. Tullius Avatar

    I just reread the article. Perhaps I can summarize all my previous concerns by asking this question instead:

    Is it possible for an individual, on this side of death, to allow the “miraculous life of Christ” completely to swallow up any separate consideration of human morality, such that he is perfectly trustworthy, his instincts do not contradict God’s, his heart is turned naturally away from prior selfish impulses?

  14. Joanna Avatar

    I don’t know if my comment is out of context here, but I just caught up with the original post and since everyone has moved onto this one, I hope it’s okay to post it here. I wanted to get back to the main theme of morals and living a life for God.

    An Orthodox Christian who fasts; goes to Church regularly (and Feast Days); goes to Holy Confession and Holy Communion 3 or 4 times a year; gives some alms; helps people and in the parish etc is trying to do the right thing. But, as you said, these are moral attitudes. I see these as exercises to warm the heart. We need to keep practicing the “good” things that we see God wants us to do in order to prepare the groundwork for the (hopefully) arrival of the Holy Spirit in our hearts where He will stay and reside. Where Jesus Christ will sit on the Throne in our hearts. And then we can be transformed. We will finally be able to truly live our lives for God.

    A most beautiful example is the life of St. Elizabeth Grand Duchess of Russia. She was brought up in a good moral environment in Germany. She was considerate towards others, understood moderation, was meek in heart and all those other wonderful “moral virtues” which we expound on as being a good Christian. But, that wasn’t enough for God. Eventually, slowly, she was drawn closer to God and her whole being and sense of person became wrapped up with God. I’m not describing it very eloquently, but I was greatly impressed by this gradual transformation when I read it in the book written by Lubov Millar. It wasn’t a matter of becoming a better Christian, but it was a matter of wanting to be with God above all else.

    But, if the groundwork is unattended and neglected, then all it becomes is a false sense of being a “good Orthodox Christian” as you mentioned. I’ve come to realize this and I see that I still have a lot to do. Yes. I do need to do something. And absolutely yes, God is the only One who can transform us. But, that’s the synergy, right? And people will bring up the fact that there are saints that didn’t live as good Christians and all of a sudden were transformed, but that’s how God works. It doesn’t mean that if I, for example, need to work on my Christian attitude in order to warm my heart so that eventually the Holy Spirit will decide to reside in me, that there’s no need to do anything because maybe God will chose me to be that great example like St. Mary of Egypt or St. Moses the Ethiopian.

    The point is that we need to be conscientious of the fact that we shouldn’t settle into a false belief that we are being good Orthodox Christians by moral standards, but to realize that we have a higher goal; theosis. Isn’t that what you were referring to, Fr. Stephen?

  15. Dino Avatar


    St Maximos the Confessor, in his Ambiguum (6th question) has this to say on the possibility this side of death, of someone becoming perfectly trustworthy, his instincts not contradicting God’s, his heart turned naturally away from prior selfish impulses…:

    Questions to Thalasius 6

    If, according to St John, he who is born of God does not sin, because God’s seed is in him, and if he who is born of water and Spirit is himself born of God, then how are we, who are born of God through baptism, able to sin?

    The mode of our birth from God is twofold: first He bestows the entire grace of adoption on those born of God, but only in potentiality. The second mode ushers in this grace -hitherto only present in potentiality- in actuality, transforming voluntarily the entire free choice [γνώμη] of the one being born so that it conforms to God who births him. The first mode possesses the grace of adoption present in potential through faith alone, but the second, in addition to faith, possesses the grace that actualizes, according to knowledge, the divine likeness (as likeness of a child to its Father), the likeness of the God who is now known in the one who knows Him.
    In those in whom the first mode of birth is observed it happens that, because the [temporary] disposition of their will has not yet been fully extracted and torn away from its passionate fixation and attachment to [the mind of] the flesh, and because they have not yet been completely imbued by the Spirit through the active participation in the mysteries, their inclination to sin is never very far away for the simple reason that they continue to will it. For the Spirit does not give birth to an inclination [a disposition of the will] without the consent of that will; but to the extent that the will is willing, he transforms and divinizes it. Whoever has shared in this deification through experience and knowledge becomes incapable of reverting from what he then wants and from all that he truly and precisely became cognizant of; just as the eye, once it has seen the sun can never mistake it for the moon or any of the stars.
    In the one undergoing the second mode of birth the Holy Spirit takes the whole of his free choice and transposes it completely from earth to heaven, and, through true knowledge realized in actual deed, refashions the intellect with the blessed beams of the light of God the Father so that he is deemed another god, experiencing through a [permanent] state obtained by grace, that which God [does not experience but] simply is according to His essence. In them, their free choice clearly becomes sinless, in conformity with their state of virtue and knowledge and thus they are unable to negate what they have become cognizant of through actual experience.
    So even if we should possess the Spirit of adoption, Who is a life giving-seed that bestows the likeness of the sower upon those who are born of it, but do not offer Him a disposition of the will pure of any propensity or inclination towards something else, we will, as a result, willingly sin, even after being born through water and the Spirit. But if, to the contrary, we were to prepare the disposition of our will to receive in knowledge [as deep awareness] the operations and energies of the water and the Spirit, then, through our practical asceticism the mystical water would cleanse our conscience and the life-creating Spirit would actualize in us the unchanging perfection of the good, through knowledge acquired in experience. What is lacking therefore in each of us who is still able to sin, is the unequivocal desire to surrender our whole selves in the disposition of our will to the Spirit.

  16. Dino Avatar

    It’s a typically dense Maximian text (even more so in the original ancient Greek) but it is all in there…
    The practical key that cultivates the seed (potential) into its desired actualisation is “our practical asceticism that calls out to the life-creating Spirit to actualize in us the unchanging perfection”
    It’s the drawn out answer to the famous Romans schizoid will passage

  17. Tullius Avatar

    Love it, Dino. Thank you.

  18. Joanna Avatar

    Dino, that is an excellent explanation. I love the holy fathers’ explanations. And I guess in my clumsy way I was trying to say the same thing.

    This is the crux of it:

    “But if, to the contrary, we were to prepare the disposition of our will to receive in knowledge [as deep awareness] the operations and energies of the water and the Spirit, then, through our practical asceticism the mystical water would cleanse our conscience and the life-creating Spirit would actualize in us the unchanging perfection of the good, through knowledge acquired in experience. What is lacking therefore in each of us who is still able to sin, is the unequivocal desire to surrender our whole selves in the disposition of our will to the Spirit.”

  19. Rock Blackwell Avatar
    Rock Blackwell

    Father bless.

    I heartily agree with where you are speaking from and what you are trying to communicate. Fr. Pat Reardon has long said something to the effect that if his parishioners bring up their progress (either wondering why they haven’t progressed or extolling that they they have) he immediately tells them to repent! There is freedom in his rebuke if we have ears to hear.

    I wonder though, is the anger that leads to judgment in the moralist (Christian or secularist) because of moralism itself. I tend to think not. It seems to me to be rooted in a deep longing for pleasure in this world. Demas comes to mind. “For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me…” (2 Timothy 4:10a)

    Our ascetic struggle, even as laymen, has one purpose – to purge our tastes for the transient pleasures of this world that lead to death, and replace place them with Spirit-wrought tastes for the permanent pleasures of life in God; which is eternal life.

  20. Dino Avatar

    Rock Blackwell,
    If I may I would slightly modify that last paragraph of your comment to say that our ascetic struggle (whether contrite, zealous, grateful or all of these together) is “the language” with which we best express our longing of acquiring the Holy Spirit towards God. –“giving blood in order to receive Spirit” (as the famous patristic saying goes)-

  21. David Avatar

    It seems that you have done well to point out the error of the moralists. And while I am one of them (or have been often enough) I think that there remains confusion here.

    I know that “being a better person” is not the point at all, but in fact “being a new person” is, yet some of what you say here makes it sound like the problem is our dependence on ourselves to become a better person rather than depending on God to make us a better person. God isn’t going to make us a better person, God is going to bring the dead back to life.

    This is hard because it is all too easy to come to your blog (as a moral person) and try to see that a certain “mindset” or “faith,” or whatever you want to call it, will result in the moral progress we have been seeking (as if the discipline of the mind will magically do what the discipline of the body could not). So when you say, “that distinction can be seen in the successful sobriety of a recovered alcoholic” it is easy to read that sobriety will be achieved.

    We may pray to God, “Whatever you want God, you want me to go to Church, you want me to go to confession, you want me to confess my sins, you want me to have faith in you, you want me to give thanks to you; I’ll do anything you ask, just help me stop drinking.” And God might reply, “Why are you bargaining with me when all that I have is yours?”

    On the one hand God is being profound (so He is) and yet from our point of view He’s being cruel. We are asking for bread and not getting it. We are being told sobriety is a stone, or that we don’t understand what sobriety is, or something else we don’t understand.

    We want to stop sinning, we ask God to help and then He appears to give no help, so we despair.

  22. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    In short, following St. Maximus, yes, it is possible to live in the true freedom of the Spirit in this life. That is granted as a theoretical.

    Now, I will return to the example of the alcoholic (which I am simply using as a “type” of the sinner).

    The natural man (to use St. Paul’s language), i.e. “flesh and blood,” “cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.” The “alcoholic” is not the person, therefore there is no inherent shame in his alcoholism (sin). But it certainly has the character of the “dust” or “nothingness” out of which he is made. That dust will be raised to a new mode of existence (ultimately in the resurrection). But just as the alcoholic cannot return to “normal” drinking, so every sinner cannot return to a “normal” life, i.e., a secular life, a natural life without God. His “morality” is nothing that is his own and it never will be. If he lives for himself alone, he will die.

    The alcoholic will indeed drink again in the Kingdom of God. He may, as many do, partake of the Divine Cup in this life without temptation.

    But what must be seen in all of this is the problems raised by moralistic thinking (i.e. the forensic/legal model). The problem is within the nature and character of our being – it is ontological. That is the language of St. Maximus. And it must be maintained throughout our consideration of this, or we wind up saying things that are not true.

    Exist as a new man, live according to the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. That’s clear in Scripture. But we must understand that “living according to the Spirit” is not a moral exercise. It is an exercise in a different mode of existence. It’s not about being a better man. It’s about truly becoming a human being.

    The old man is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. He is a stinking corpse. Dress him up. Put makeup on him. Teach him how to behave. He is still a dressed up, made up, well-behaved smelly corpse. He is a zombie.

    We have so many moral zombies wandering the world today. And they eat people – devour them with their death message. Jesus is not a “great moral teacher.” He’s not a moral teacher. He is the God/Man. “Be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect!” That’s not the language of morality. That is the language of the New Man.

  23. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Far too many people want to walk on water. They want life-preservers.

  24. Timmy Avatar

    Fr. Stephen, thank you for your continued preaching on this topic. It’s much needed.

    As a recovering scientific rationalist I would have been confused by it, or maybe even objected to it myself, like many are currently doing, until a year or two ago when I began to see this truth for myself after I actually started to give up MY will & accept my cross, which continues to crush me.

    It’s now remarkable to read the Scriptures in this light because this message is everywhere! I’m reading Elder Ephraim’s excellent book, “The Art of Salvation”, and he makes the same point repeatedly. Also, there was a recent article posted on MYSTAGOGY on exactly the same topic entitled “The Spiritual Person is not Moral, but Loving”:

    WE can’t achieve anything. It is God in us by the operation of his grace that makes us progress toward holiness / perfection. Yes, we have to put in arduous & constant effort, but that is really on the ascetic front of keeping the commandment so that we can get out of the way & allow God to work – no simple feat. I think St. Paul stated this succinctly in his letter to the Philipians: “Work out your salvation in fear & trembling. For it is God who is at work in you, both to will & to work for His good pleasure.” Thus, WE don’t make “progress”. The only thing that we do is die to ourselves, i.e., our sinful passions or “flesh” or “old man”, and even that is by the grace of God, so that the Holy Spirit is able to make the seed of grace grow into fruit-bearing trees in the cultivated soil of our broken hearts.

    More technically speaking, I think your larger point is that “morality” is really only behavior, and we can behave in an exemplary manner yet still have a nous that is asleep / blind & a heart that is dark, thus we will never see God because we’re like whitewashed tombs. The Publican & the Pharisee comes to mind.

    Please keep preaching the truth in love because we need to hear it! Far too many of us are stuck in the rational center of consciousness as it’s influenced by Modernism, and this bars us from entering through the doors of repentance into the the Bridal Chamber, i.e. the Kingdom of Heaven.

  25. AndrewT Avatar

    By now you should be considered the definitive writer on this viewpoint, Fr Freeman. The monk-and-bear picture is worth a thousand words. I’m getting acclimated now, but one of the hardest things about Orthodoxy for me to stomach, is that we’re powerless. We can’t help ourselves, really; it’s nothing like the Hindu model, even less so like the derived self-help one. Where I live, I often hear phrases like “just trying to be good” and “stay out of trouble.” I am curious, and perhaps with your theological finesse you could explain this, but: if I fail to believe in bodily resurrection (and it is so), does this alter the implications?

  26. RONALD A. G. SARKIS Avatar

    Dear All :
    Have a good, sunny Sunday.
    I am not a clergyman nor M.D. but a Christian Orthodox Jurist.
    During my fifty years’carrier, and my life in Lebanon and Overseas, I met heavy alcohol drinkers. Most drink because they couldn’t face their difficult, daily problems, in a complex, pityless, merciless world, and got no parents, relatives, friends, etc. ready to help. They didn’t think to get a shelter, neither in Church, nor assistance of Priests. Some because they weren’t teached, others were sick, or because they aren’t believers, finally, peoples who didn’t have anymore, money, and in their town, specialized caritative Associations, Churches, Priests.
    Same concerns those who have been taking lot of drugs.
    Of course, my brief explanations, recommendations weren’t productive sufficiently. Even I didn’t hope it. Follow up should be offered, I believe, by Church, M.D. and (very expensive) Hospitals. Also by Administrations. Laws, Rules, Usances, should become less aggressive, much more human and protective. Rgds. Ronald.

  27. davidp Avatar

    Isn´t moral progress for a christian is to love God and keep His commandments and to love one another with the love God showed to us in His love and mercy. Along with this is to stop the chatter that is going on in our mind and learn quietness and to be still. And, the big one…learning how to keep our mouths shut. This is what I am learning for one who is 75.

  28. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    We can indeed cooperate, and it is not nothing. But our effort in our salvation is infinitely less than God’s grace. Some want to speak of it as if it were 50/50. St. Gregory of Nyssa said that “Man is mud, whom God has commanded to become god.” The journey and its end are so infinitely great (“abundantly above all we could ask or think”), that “helping ourselves,” is almost comical. But we can say “Yes.” And we say it again and again. Think of the Theotokos. She said “Yes.” And did so throughout out her life. But we do not honor her less simply because all that was done in her and through her were the work of God. It is the same with us.

  29. Richard Avatar

    Father Stephen,

    I’ve been reading your blog for some time, and I so enjoy not only what you have to say, but in that you invite so many to like wise contribute via their thoughts and comments.

    I especially like what Timmy said here~”More technically speaking, I think your larger point is that “morality” is really only behavior, and we can behave in an exemplary manner yet still have a nous that is asleep / blind & a heart that is dark, thus we will never see God because we’re like whitewashed tombs. The Publican & the Pharisee comes to mind.”

    One thing I do know, God (my Father) is not, nor ever has been opposed to effort, but is opposed to anyone thinking, they can earn anything from Him.

    I’d like to add that when Jesus said; I’ve come that you might have Life, he wasn’t alluding to a quick or a lengthy series of botox injections to beautify our fleshly self-efforts.

  30. Michael Avatar

    Fr. Stephen,
    You said quote; “yes, it is possible to live in the true freedom of the Spirit in this life. That is granted as a theoretical.”

    My desire is to be in and live constantly be in this state of freedom, but can I, is it only theoretically possible?
    I ask myself; why do I desire this? To the best of my knowledge I’ll present my answer at least as far as I can understand and know my own motivation.

    I desire this freedom because I know that in myself, myself outside of Christ, I live only an illusion. What I mean is, I believe that all and anything I do or will from a desire for self is vanity, vapor, smoke, illusion, or abiding in non being. I know this theoretically and because I know this I don’t wish to live according to it; according to myself, according to this non being. On the other hand, I know (theoretically) that if I can overcome myself, if I can live constantly in the Spirit of Christ, then I will truly experience life and never again be subject to illusion and non being. Is this possible or only theoretically possible? Is this something I should strive for or continue to just wade the tide, for after all its only possible in theory and I don’t even know if my own motive is correct?
    Please help. With all reverence and respect,

  31. Bill A Avatar
    Bill A

    I’m fairly new to this post and so I might be a little of base. But I have found that we in ourselves can at times have a moral victory in our lives but it was attained by our own strength. Most of what we as individuals battle with in moral areas are our own particular weaknesses. I have also found that if we focus on our weakness and try to consciously overcome it, we, in that focus tend to give it strength and recognition, just what it needs to once again show us our weakness to it’s power in our humanity. If we allow His Spirit within to have His way, then it is He within overcoming, not I for I know in myself I cannot win, I have failed too many times in my own attempts to overcome. I hope I’m making some sense in this.

  32. Paul Avatar

    It seems to me that moralism has its roots more in American deism rather than a forensic/ legal view of salvation. Can you show me a link between deism and forensic justification?
    Could synergism lead to the same place?
    Just because a theological teaching has unintended consequences does not make it untrue. Sinners tend to pervert things.
    One last point.Christians seem to have a funny relationship with the mind and the will. We think that anything including alcoholism, mental illness, and salvation can be conquered with just some good ole fashioned elbow grease.

  33. Tullius Avatar

    Thank you for the further clarification. It is very helpful!

    “Moral Zombies”—a great title for another follow-up post.

  34. Dino Avatar

    That was the question that plagued Elder Sophrony for much of his early monastic years Michael.

    It’s what we pray for in the first prayer after Holy Communion: “may I always remember Thy grace and live not for myself alone, but for Thee, our Master and Benefactor”, and also that “second mode of birth” described in the quote from St Maximus I gave above.

    In Orthodoxy -as you surely know- we believe that spiritual life proper starts only after we have been freed from the passions,
    after we have become all conscious -without any hidden subconscious/unconscious left in us,
    after the unity of our will and God’s will has been made perfect,
    after the invocation of God has become self-moving rather than ‘active’ by the still ‘old man’.
    We then struggle not against our old self but to enter deeper and deeper into God, and His Spirit moves us to debate on cosmic matters (such as the salvation of the Cosmos) with Him, as “equals” […]

    Obviously this is far from the usual state we find ourselves in, but we are grateful that there are saints – members of the very same body as us – that have been granted this. And it is possible to get glimpses of this state even in any other state man finds himself in. The problem obviously is how to make that glimpse a permanent state…

    It is ultimately God’s matter. I must trust. I ought to do what is in my hand and accept no despair or despondency even in my hell of painful imperfection after having been pierced with that yearning brought about by that ‘glimpse’…

  35. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    It is not just theoretically possible. There are many things that we don’t know. Eg. “Is my motive correct?” Probably not now. Everything we do has a bit of complexity about it. We are darkness and light together. Dostoevsky captured this very well in his novels. It is something of a “dance.” There is our desiring, and there is God’s desiring. He who is faithful in a little becomes the steward of much. Thus the Fathers, when speaking intimately, tell of God giving grace “to see what we will do with it.” As we respond positively, He gives more. Such great souls as we see in the saints, have become “stewards over much.”

    We need to be faithful first with what we have. Patience, kindness, repentance, prayer, generosity.

    Remember Christ’s words that our good Father will not give us a stone when we asked for bread. Only treat the bread like bread and don’t throw it away like it was a stone. If you are young – then indeed practice patience – though some receive great grace even at a young age. Mostly, be kind and learn to pray.

  36. Dino Avatar

    I often think -please correct me if I am wrong Father- that the vast majority of people are given a taste of dispassion and that freedom of the Spirit that comes from the deepening of their humility, only when they have reached that point in their lives that they are bodily weak and old and bed-bound. (and have years of spiritual struggles behind them too)
    Those who start off like a rocket at a young age are most typically found in monasteries sometime afterwards and -if zealously obedient- reach it while on their feet.
    it, referring to “the Holy Spirit taking the whole of their free choice and transposing it completely from earth to heaven, refashioning their intellect with the blessed beams of the light of God the Father so that they are deemed another god, experiencing through a state obtained by grace, that which God is according to His essence.”
    But it is certainly not just ‘theoretically possible’, and it is most definitely achievable and is the what we fall short of – our only calling.
    Please correct me if I err again…

  37. Michael Avatar

    Thank you for your reply Father, I can relate to the quote “something of a dance”, as well as “we are darkness and light together.” I am not young (55 years) but I am a newbie to Orthodoxy, a Catechuman with a 30 year Protestant background. I have always desired this freedom in Christ but it’s only until now in Orthodoxy that I understand that it is not only possible but from what I’m understanding it’s the very purpose of our Lords incarnation. Please correct me if I’m wrong on that.

    Dino, I like what you said here:
    “we believe that spiritual life proper starts only after we have been freed from the passions”
    Can you elaborate on that? I think what I hear you saying is that we can’t contemplate or grow into the mysteries of God until we are freed from the passions.
    For you also said that when this freedom from passions happens: “We then struggle not against our old self but to enter deeper and deeper into God, and His Spirit moves us to debate on cosmic matters (such as the salvation of the Cosmos) with Him, as “equals” […]”

    I love that! I believe there have been times that I’ve experienced this what you refer to as, “debate on cosmic matters with Him”, but I also can’t say that I’ve yet been freed from the passions. I want to, I really do, but there are those times when the passions scream so loud that it seems that is all I can do is to contain them let alone debate on cosmic matters.
    So right now I guess my struggle is still against my old self BUT I can sense and I believe have also slightly experienced the something greater that lies ahead. In this I have great hope “having been pierced with that yearning brought about by that ‘glimpse’… “

  38. Dino Avatar

    I would say that that is no more than a still transient glimpse for us… To reach the state of ‘debating on cosmic matters’ one would be in a state, utterly possessed by the Spirit of God – think of St Silouan if you have read him. Their ‘old self’ would not be mixed in with these ‘demands and debates’ anymore…
    Spiritual life proper starts after dispassion because our will is not yet fully given over to God until after that… It’s simple. We still have the will to sin along with the will not to prior to that. We have certainly not yet ontologically become one with Christ in Gethsemene.
    We still (prior to what I called ‘Spiritual life proper’) need to struggle -for example- with distractions, reveries, yawns, worries, questions and thoughts during prayer, it is part and parcel of our struggle, especially in this world; yet for the person who is finally living “spiritual life proper”, their struggle (in the icon of Jacob’s wrestling with God) is not for that at all… It is not even with the demons. It is for the only desire of their dispassionate yet now singularly passionate being: to enter fully, more and more into God, to be even more one with Him with Whom they already are one, and subsequently (driven far more by His Spirit rather than by their own) to bring all of creation (with which they have been made aware of being one through the Holy Spirit) into that oneness.

  39. Michelle Avatar

    Dino you said,

    “that the vast majority of people are given a taste of dispassion and that freedom of the Spirit that comes from the deepening of their humility, only when they have reached that point in their lives that they are bodily weak and old and bed-bound. (and have years of spiritual struggles behind them too)”

    Would you say young people are given this same “taste of dispassion and freedom of the Spirit” (possibly even in a permanent way) if they happen to be suffering in a significant way, such as one experiencing the humility of recovering from heroin addiction, abuse, terminal sickness, etc.?

  40. Dino Avatar

    Saint Paisios seems to say something of the sort about those souls that are particularly afflicted, yes – not of their own making however seems to be the characteristic though…

    I knew of one such glorious example (tetraplegic saintly woman) who reached the stature of the great saints thanks to how she accepted her exceedingly painful suffering… in the end, God’s grace was bestowed on her in such measure that she was in greater pain (sweet pain) from her overflowing gratitude rather than physical pain from her outward deterioration – like the martyrs.

    Key to this, along with humility, is that the life of ‘Nepsis’ and constant inner watchfulness in fervent invocation of the Lord comes of itself with greater focus and context for some of these blessed ‘crosses’. And when there is this cultivation of spiritual sobriety and unceasing prayer (‘Nepsis’), “all other things shall be added unto you.”

  41. Michael Avatar

    Dino, are you on FB? I would like to converse with you from time to time if you don’t mind?

  42. Dino Avatar

    not FB but I could always do email.

  43. Michael Avatar

    Thanks Dino, here’s my address:
    email hidden; JavaScript is required

  44. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    It can be so. Humility is rare in youth.

  45. Adam Avatar

    Honestly, I find these anti-morality pieces to be almost meaningless, confusing, and without an practical application.

    You spend several hundred words stating your cases – rather than proving it – and provide no answers as to how one is to practically live this amoral, miraculous, christian life.

    As I follow your thought you sound much more an evangelical Protestant advocating a miraculous experience free of the synergistic labor taught by Christ, and the Apostles.

    Your example form the “alchoholic” seems to assume modern psychology’s twisted, and unscriptural view of man as a biological computer who’s alcoholic programming is considered a disease from which there is no relief. However it has been shown time and again that many who struggle with drunkeness can overcome the sin and dink responsibly when provided with a Christian treatment.

    I will continue to avoid these peices as I find them to be unusefull for the spiritual life and a temptation to speculative controversies over definitions.

  46. Adam Avatar

    I just have to add that I would swear I was reading a calvinist’s statement on total depravity.

  47. Dino Avatar

    I believe you have misinterpreted -which is always a possibility for us unfortunately- what Father Stephen has been talking about.
    Does not St John the Evangelist say the same when he calls all -including his already deified self- sinners (1 John 1: 8)?
    And it is certainly practical -but you must fathom what it means to hate one’s life (John 12:25).

  48. Dino Avatar

    the deep awareness of our depravity, our spiritual illness and its recollection is a great aid in the continual remembrance of God throughout the day.
    Elder Sophrony (as explained by Archimandrite Zacharias), always claimed this: “Two abysses lie before us: the depth of the mercy and love of God shown by His Cross to which we join ourselves by voluntarily mourning over our transgressions, and the depth of the fallen state in which we find ourselves. Both lead us to intensify our cry to God, in the way of all righteous souls, and grace comes to our help and strengthens us, for it bears within itself the seed of eternal life. This seed and the consolation that accompanies it inspire us to undertake an awesome struggle with the darkness that we have discovered within ourselves, until it is all ‘swallowed up by life’ (2 Cor. 5:4). We stand constrained by the abyss of the love of Christ, the Cross and the grace of His Resurrection on the one hand, and the abyss of our fall on the other hand. The abyss of our fall cries to the abyss of the mercy of the love of Christ (cf. Ps. 42:7) and if we acquire this two-fold vision in our life, we will never cease to be inspired day and night.”

  49. John H Avatar
    John H


    Psychiatry is by no means unanimous on the issue of whether recovering alcoholics can drink socially again There is a treatment model known as harm reduction which subscribes to the view that we can return to moderate drinking at some point

    However as a person in recovery I myself do not subscribe to that model Having tried to drink moderately I can testify that in my case the only option is total abstinence Many alcoholics like myself also suffer from depression So when we try to drink socially we also frequently stop taking our medication which brings the depression back in all of its ugliness And then we treat the depression with alcohol which inevitably leads to excessive use

    The comparison drawn by Father Stephen between a recovering addict and a repentant sinner is spot on! Excellent article Father

  50. Karen Avatar

    Adam, I understand it can be frustrating when what someone says or writes just doesn’t resonate, for whatever reason. Probably best to just leave it at that point. One person’s medicine can become another’s poison.

    I’ve written elsewhere, and it comes to mind on the heels of this past Sunday in the Church calendar, that the whole of Fr. Stephen’s series on this issue could properly be seen as an expansion and reflection on the lesson of Christ’s parable of the Publican and the Pharisee.

  51. Alan Avatar

    Dino, your comment from 1/31 @ 5:27 PM

    “If I may I would slightly modify that last paragraph of your comment to say that our ascetic struggle (whether contrite, zealous, grateful or all of these together) is “the language” with which we best express our longing of acquiring the Holy Spirit towards God. -“giving blood in order to receive Spirit” (as the famous patristic saying goes)-”

    I’d really like to fully grasp what you’re saying here, so I was wondering if you might be so kind as to expound a bit on “the ascetic struggle being a language…..”?

  52. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Sorry you’re having difficulties with this series. Your comment, viz. calvinism and total depravity suggests to me a place that could be clarified.

    There is a distinction in these articles between “moral” and “ontological.” Moral here has to do with being right or wrong (in behavior), and adhering, more or less to a standard, commandment, teaching, etc.

    Ontological has to do with the matter of our being. And it is primarily ontology the concerns the major fathers in their writing and is often seen in the spiritual elders as well.

    So first, following St. Athanasius, we are created out of nothing – our nature is this “nothingness,” in that there is nothing about us, in and of ourselves, that even maintains us in existence. This doesn’t mean we are bad, much less depraved. It just means that apart from God sustaining us in existence, we would fall back towards that nature – towards nothingness.

    Theosis, our ultimate salvation, is being conformed to Christ’s image, not merely in a moral manner, for this is not really our main problem. If we don’t exist, then morality is a moot point. But through grace, we become partakers in God’s own life, and thus have eternal life. The Fathers, St. Maximus in particular, describes this as a movement from being, to well-being, to eternal being.

    These thoughts on being and life were largely lost through the importation of a legal/forensic model of understanding, in which what matters is our legal/moral standing before God, and “eternal life” is reduced to reward or punishment.

    It is certainly the case that growth and movement towards eternal life would have moral consequences – but those things are quite on the surface and can often be both misleading and beside the point. It can easily sink to a moralism in which we mistake holiness for adherence to a standard instead of a true change in the very mode of our existence.

    As to practical direction – the Elder Sophrony whom I have quoted frequently – says, “The way up is the way down.” This is simply the same thing that Christ teaches about loses our lives. The way up – is self-emptying love, self-emptying prayer self-emptying generosity, self-emptying forgiveness of everyone for everything.

    That self-emptying is the life of repentance, which is the only life we ask or pray for as Orthodox Christians. But this is not a morbid constant beating of our breast about things we have done (morality), it is much deeper. It is the recognition on an increasingly deeper level that “apart from Christ I can do nothing.” This is not self-loathing – it is Christ-loving. St. Silouan and Elder Sophrony described this self-emptying and proper awareness of our utter dependence on Christ as “the Abyss.” It is difficult, even painful to see how truly fragile and empty our existence is apart from God. St. Anastasios of Sinai had this observation:
    “That the human nature is created and so, is unavoidably mortal; with death man’s entire psychosomatic being comes to an end. All of his psychological and mental functions cease to function: his self-conscience, reasoning, judgment, memory, imagination, and desire. Man is no longer able to function through the parts of the body in order to speak, to call to memory, to distinguish, to desire, to reason, to be impassioned, and to see” (Odigos, Migne P.G. 89, 36).

    I think the first time I read that passage I was frightened of the abyss. It was an abyss of nothingness. But that is simply the recognition of death. That recognition of death is true humility. It is then that we cry out from the depths of our being in prayer to God and can be sustained and filled with His life.

    I am about as far from being a Calvinist as anyone I know. But if you find the emptiness and nothingness of our being to be a problem, your argument is not with me, but with the whole Patristic tradition, and the Scriptures themselves.

    Morality is a “red herring.” It is not the primary concern of the Fathers or repentance. There is something so much deeper that we are called to – as I’ve described above.

    As for your thoughts on the treatment of alcoholism, we certainly disagree.

  53. Dino Avatar

    “Our ascetic struggle is a language”
    It is the language of the spiritual person, the language with which he certainly does NOT prove his worth, or his value, or his strength… but the language with which he expresses his desire towards God, the recognition of his utter weakness and neediness. It expresses his unshakeable faith that “you are here God, and I stand in your presence, under your Fatherly gaze”.
    It is my first and foremost my ‘standing in His presence’ and expressing my desire for the Holy Spirit to come and cultivate His seed, actualise the potential of the first birth (St Maximus) into the second.
    It is the language that speaks “not my will but yours”. Whether we are begging like beggars showing their rags or thanking like the destitute harlot who suddenly finds herself clean and radiant, unexpectedly having been chosen to become the King’s wife (St Macarius), we use the same language of ascetic struggle, fasting when hungry, standing when drowsy, studying when tired, praying when lazy, resisting when agitated, focusing when distracted, staying awake at night, keeping silent when provoked etc.
    One who is head over heals in love gladly misses meals, walks for miles and effortlessly stays up all night just to get closer to his beloved.

  54. Michelle Avatar

    “Humility is rare in youth”-I’m guessing this is because, in most cases, physical death is so foreign to the minds and bodies of the youth. Death is basically non-existent to them (at least that has been my own personal experience). The reality of death is a slow realization throughout the years of one’s life, until you wake up old and noticeably fragile one day, at which point death is undeniable. I think maybe the connection between humility, or more precisely, death of the ego, to physical death of the body may be more “real” in a hidden, invisible way, than what we typically realize -as if death of the ego and physical death were actually one and the same thing. I think most people would not actually relate the two kinds of death, because most people think of ego as a purely mental construct, while our actual, or our “real” death is purely bodily; mind and body a two different distinct entities. Mind is spiritual, while body is not. The healing of the ego is to avoid spiritual death, while ultimately in the end there is nothing we can do to heal the body to avoid physical death. And if our spiritual egos have been healed, then when we physically die it will be of no consequence to us, only to our bodies, which aren’t worth much anyway since they are just vehicles for our spiritual minds. The fact that God will eventually give us a new “vehicle” to drive in the resurrection is just a nice afterthought.

    But this common way of thinking about ego-death and bodily death as separate, unrelated events is false. Ego-death and physical death are both expressions of the same ontological fact of our being. We are dead things. Ego-death and physical death are both revelations of this singular reality of our being. In our youth we are in denial of both, in our old age we at least become disillusioned concerning our physical death, and maybe if physical death and ego-death really are two sides of one and the same coin, then at some point we will indeed be disillusioned about the deadness of our egos -this will be hell in the afterlife for some, and eternal peace and rest for others. This is ultimately why “saving” our egos/spiritual minds (commonly referred to as morality, which is often mistakenly equated with sanctification) has nothing to do with following Christ as a member of His Body, the Church. Rather, we must let our egos and bodies be what they are -dead, in order to seek out another, different source of life to enliven and energize us-God Himself. This is why asceticism is not sanctification (which, I think, is what many Protestants falsely believe we Orthodox are trying to achieve in our ascetical practices, and then, therefore, referring to us Semi-Pelagians trying to save our own souls through works), but, rather, an effort to disillusion ourselves by peeling away at the dark curtains covering our eyes that is our ego, in order to open up the possibility of repenting -asceticism is an effort to experience the reality of our deadness, so that we may be filled with Life from the only real source of energizing life.

    And, yes, this description of our Christian life can be mistaken as some sort of description of Calvin’s total depravity, and maybe even irresistible grace, as Adam above has mistaken it. But this is because of our modern, cultural understanding of free-will. If our ego is dead, then so is our will, and thus we are Calvinist. But Orthodoxy retains both truths at the same time -that we are dead things, and that we possess a free-will to choose our directional movements either towards or away from union with God. We are dead, but we are also persons, and all entities that are persons have a will that they posses as their own, and to possess a will is to have free movement of choice. For Orthodoxy, as opposed to Calvinism, possessing a free-will to choose to either direct our gaze upon objects of corruption or Incorruption does not conflict with the fact that our own ontological deadness/corruption often becomes apparent to us through “reflections” of deadness (such as addictions, gluttony, lustfulness, greed, etc.) -like a corpse who gazes into a mirror and sees rotting flesh on his face. After we gaze into the mirror and see our own rotting flesh we can then begin to realize the futility of trying to re-vivify this rotten flesh by our own powers, and instead freely direct our gaze towards God who has the Power to give Life to the dead.

  55. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Very well said. I have no idea of your age (a gentleman doesn’t ask), but if you are young, I indeed applaud you. I can see the huge difference between how I saw death as a young man and how I see it now. I no longer fear it – its inevitability is so much more real. But the abyss is equally real. But it is approaching that abyss with, “Thy will be done,” that makes humility possible. In truth, anything else is really just silly, isn’t it? But when you’re young, there is so much you want in life that is yet to come. In old age there is much less. I would like to live a fine length of years and write more and speak more, and perhaps have more answers to some questions. But nothing burns any longer. I long for God, but what I long for likely waits for me within the abyss of complete abandonment to Him – and that likely comes for me only in my death (if I am blessed). And so there remains a certain ambiguity…

  56. TimOfTheNorth Avatar

    One of the interesting things I encounter as I read through these posts is how much they concur with the instruction I received growing up in independent Bible churches. Perhaps this was one of those “felicitous inconsistencies”, but the discussion here and what I received from those who spoke and wrote from within a “forensic/legal” framework synthesizes very nicely. I have a book on my shelf at home which influenced me greatly (and whose title I can not now recall) discussing Romans 6 that largely reiterates the points you are making here. We who believe have died with Christ; any “good” that we think to do is simply the outworking of His life within us. The old man with his efforts is dead; leave him dead and walk in the new life that God has given us. Of course, this paradigm would differ from an Orthodox explanation with regard to the circumstances of initiation into the Christian life (“moment of decision” vs. baptism), but, unless I miss something, there is a very deep convergence on what life after that point is (and is not.)

    Perhaps this pietistic faith which I was taught made an end-run around some of the moralism that accompanies a strongly forensic view of salvation. I consider it a relief to find that Orthodoxy also (if I understand correctly) offers the consolation of this deep transformation. Furthermore, the appeal for me of Orthodoxy is that it offers concrete instruction in how to realize this transformation here and now. In keeping with the AA lingo, it offers a “program” to “work” while I wait upon God to “make perfect forever those who are being made perfect.”

    Am I trying too hard to square a circle here? Or is it possible that a forensic/legal framework does not necessarily preclude an Orthodox understanding of the faithful Christian life–mutatis mutandi all applicable terms like salvation/sanctification, etc.?

  57. Michelle Avatar

    I hope being in your 30’s still counts as young, lol. But do not applaud me, my head understands thing that my youthful heart does not yet.

    I’ve had some experience with illness when I was in my early 20’s, and back then I despaired -didn’t God understand that to cut my life short was to take away all meaning and purpose in my life? Needless to say I did not die back then, and I began trying to rebuild a loving relationship with God (I didn’t love Him very much back then when I thought He was going to let me die). But now in these past few years I am faced with illness again. I have a chronic blood disorder. It has the potential to eventually progress into certain incurable cancers. But my doctor has told me I will live a long time, long enough to raise my young children even. He said that sometimes people with this disease get lucky and even live full lives, but since I’ve been diagnosed unusually young (most people are in their 50’s or 60’s) we will just have to wait and see. But I’ve done my research, and I have serious doubts that I will get to enjoy my grandchildren. I don’t know, I cant say, I’m not a doctor. And doctors do not know, they cannot say, they are not God. But anyway, I have lost the luxury of a happy, youthful denial of death’s inevitability, nor do I want that luxury anymore. Actually, to be honest, I often slide back into this happy denial, until I remember. But I think I want to remember death. I don’t want the difference between living 15 more years or 55 more years to be of any consequence for me anymore. This is a very hard sentiment to maintain, though. I have young children. But I do feel that I may be finely learning what it means to truly be alive. And I have to thank you for much of this learning. I am truly indebted to your work on this blog. I do not believe it was mere accident that I found my way to Orthodoxy, and to this wonderful blog at this point in my life.

    BUT, I still am only 32 years old. And my heart still proves itself to be young, swaying back and forth between desires for earthly life and true life solely lived in God. I have my fears, my wants…But at least now I think I am pointed in the right direction -“For whosoever would save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake shall find it.”

  58. TimOfTheNorth Avatar

    If I may amplify a bit on the conclusion of my last comment…

    I do indeed see differences between the forensic/legal model and the Orthodox vision described here. Chief among them is the freedom that Orthodoxy offers me to confront and accept my true self in all of its brokenness. The forensic model generally emphasizes that God in His holiness cannot even look on sin. The (presumably unintended) consequence for the Christian is that he also is discouraged from looking at his sin–be holy as God is holy, after all. Once you’ve confessed it (superficially, please) it is best to run from any thought of it and to cling to God’s mercy. But what I have been hearing (and it rings both true and compelling) is that Christ, having defeated sin and death by Himself entering into them, is found most truly when I do accept my sin and “bear a little shame.” In knowing my true self, being still, descending to the heart–however it is said–I will find God most assuredly. When I look at my sin, I will see Christ. This is a great comfort.

  59. Michelle Avatar

    Im not being completely honest, I don’t think, where I said, ” But I think I want to remember death. I don’t want the difference between living 15 more years or 55 more years to be of any consequence for me anymore. This is a very hard sentiment to maintain, though.” I think it is more honest to say that while I want to live to be old, I am realizing that I want to want to remember death, so that 15 yrs or 55 yrs will become of no consequence to me. But right now Im not sure that I posses this sentiment.

  60. Christopher Avatar


    I also like how you put things in your post. I would only say that thinking back, I was aware of the abyss of death and nothingness (I took my modernist “religion” seriously) and that my youthful distractions and ambitions were (and still are) a way to avoid the pain of that realization.

    Fr Stephen,

    Putting aside for a moment your pedagogical emphasis around “morality”, ontology, and our Christian life, what would you say morality’s place is? I ask because it can not be a complete distraction/negative, if only because it allows a certain coexistence in corporate life – and not just on the “social” scale as it is even necessary on the familial level. I would also want to say that it points beyond itself, but perhaps I am pushing it too far (such as when “natural law” theory pulls too much into itself)…

  61. Dino Avatar

    That ‘sentiment’ you depict – constant mindfulness of death – is a most desirable gift of grace. It is clearly not morose, but jubilant; the primary thing a Christian needs to do is embrace and love death, or else he must surely suspect that he does not love God as he supposed he did; besides, how could he love Him and while at the same time wanting to tarry on Earth…?
    Death is the ‘ticket’ to Him for a believer. And this is what makes every second meaningful for him. St Isaac the Syrian speaks of this unceasing ‘sentiment’ exceedingly admiringly, scandalously even. I remember him saying that the devil is prepared to endow a person with anything and everything of this world, only in order to prevent that person from ever even discovering the power of this ‘sentiment’ (in case they try to acquire it), because it truly has the power to annihilate the devil’s sway completely.

  62. Bruce Avatar

    Father Bless!!!

    Thank you for this powerful post and your recent comments about ontology vs morality. How we see ourselves and how we attempt to relate ourselves to God is truly life giving or destroying. So much of my problems with morality has been my pointless attempt to fuel this morality without God. The Pharisee was indeed taking some of the right actions of fasting and alms giving yet doing this with his false sense of his own power that left his actions prideful barriers from God not humble gateways to God. My mistaken self sufficiency or self despondency will always be devoid of any Life giving grace since it is centered in me and separated from Him. A key is for me to see the utter bankruptcy of my attempts to do His work without Him…and all that he outlines in His commandments is what He wants from me (His Will) and He is anxious to help me perform these actions (His Life) in me if I’m willing to abandon myself and rely upon Him. My life is like a pointless, never ending virtual reality game full of imaginary visions of what I’m accomplishing and doing in a futile, lifeless attempt to find meaning without His Life, Love,Truth, and Goodness.

    I think of pride and despair as ‘wiper blades’ that go back and forth on the windshield of my life whenever my life is full of the mistaken belief of my own self sufficiency. My pride tells me ‘that I don’t need Him’ and my despair tells me that ‘He can’t help me’. AA uses the phrase ‘egomaniacs with inferiority complex’ as a way to describe this state of separation from God characterized by pride and despair. When I hear these words echoing in my mind and thoughts, I know I’m in that truly sinful state of separation from God.

    I’ve lived for many years in this tortured place of attempting to create my life rather than relying on the Life Giver for a True Life in Christ.

    I thought it might be useful to introduce some new words into the discussion…. Power, Thirst, and Cleave

    One of the great blessings of my addiction is the ‘innermost being’ realization that I am an addict and could not live without relying upon a Power greater than myself. There was no confusion that I was capable of keeping myself sober. The AA Big Book describes this as ‘lack of power that was our dilemma’. Paradoxically, the absolute foundation of the AA program is built upon the rock of our acceptance of our ‘powerlessness’. So, I have this profound experience of my absolute need for a relationship with God and the need for His Power to live while I’m still on this side of the grave (miraculously through His Grace). The AA Big Book describes this salvific relationship with the phrase “we have a daily reprieve based upon our spiritual condition’. You will hear phrases in AA meetings like “this is a matter of life and death”. AA is full of great experiential reminders of the unceasing, limitless bounds of God’s grace in the amazing transformation seen day in and day out in meeting rooms.

    I find Orthodox services full of incredible reminders of who God is and how we should relate and cooperate with Him to find His Power.

    Virtually all Orthodox services begin with the prayer….”Heavenly King, Comforter, Spirit of Truth, who art everywhere present and fillest all things, Treasury of Good Gifts and Giver of Life, come and abide in us, cleanse us of all impurities, and save our souls O Good One.”

    Life, Goodness, Truth, the ability to cleanse our souls, salvation….these are attributes of God not of me. I cannot acquire these gifts without God ; I can only rely on His Power as the Treasury of Good Gifts, to give these gifts to me. All that is most important in life is a gift….I haven’t willed myself to live, I haven’t chosen the time or parents I have, each breath is a constant reminder of the unconditional gift of Life He gives. In his freedom, he allows me to delude myself into thinking this is of all of my doing and all about me or to follow Him and His path.

    The Orthodox Matins Service begins each day in total darkness with the Six Psalms. These Psalms are amazing in how they teach what to do with our powerlessness to grant ourselves Life.

    “O God, my God, unto Thee I rise early at dawn. My soul hath thirsted for Thee; how often hath my flesh longed after Thee in a land barren and untrodden and unwatered. So in the sanctuary have I appeared before Thee to see Thy power and Thy glory. For Thy mercy is better than lives; my lips shall praise Thee. So shall I bless Thee in my life, and in Thy name will I lift up my hands. As with marrow and fatness let my soul be filled, and with lips of rejoicing shall my mouth praise Thee. If I remembered Thee on my bed, at the dawn I meditated on Thee. For Thou art become my helper; in the shelter of Thy wings will I rejoice. My soul hath cleaved after Thee, Thy right hand hath been quick to help me.”

    My lack of power for Life should create in me this insatiable ‘thirst’ for Him and willingness to abandon the falseness of what I am without Him for the Truth I receive as a ‘cleave’ unto Him like a man drowning in the sea of my selfish desires as He sets me afloat on the Ship of His Church.

    There is nothing redeemable or salvific about our actions unless they are fueled by His Power. And His Life will always be only a concept in my head not an experience in my heart unto I know the true freedom of letting go of me and embracing Him.

  63. Dino Avatar

    how very well said! God bless you!

  64. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    I am personally convinced that Recovery (AA) is a miracle of grace in our time. I’ve often thought about its serendipity. For one, it managed to throw of the yoke of a forensic view of life. Moralistic approaches of alcoholism had dogged the lives of its victims for years with pretty much nothing but shame and guilt – but rarely any healing. That AA should managed to get away from that is interesting considering its roots in the Moral Rearmament Movement earlier in the century.

    Second was the deadly disease itself. It sort of pushes all theory out the window – theory being the ruin of so much in our world. So, if it didn’t work, the proof always came crashing down.

    Next was honesty, a bedrock of the program. The only ones for whom the program doesn’t work being those who are somehow constitutionally unable to be honest with themselves. I could write a very long time on that alone.

    Lastly, was the simple grace of some Christian souls who offered guidance that ultimately was rooted in Christian tradition (Rev. Sam Shoemaker being one of the ones I know the most about).

    Orthodoxy itself is quite experiential in a similar manner. What we have from the spiritual writings of the Fathers is a description of “what works.” I think that it’s why it’s almost always paradoxical. What works is a paradox.

    AA cannot take someone into the depths of the faith and union with God – but it will sure get them a lot further than the average Christian will go (unless he is seriously pursuing the Tradition and living an Orthodox life).

    The Recovery Movement, as a presence within modern culture has spawned plenty of bumper-sticker sayings that are actually quite wise. It has doubtless had a leavening effect in a culture that is terribly, terribly sick. It’s not enough – only the Church is enough. But is something for which everyone should be grateful.

  65. Michelle Avatar

    “the primary thing a Christian needs to do is embrace and love death, or else he must surely suspect that he does not love God as he supposed he did; besides, how could he love Him and while at the same time wanting to tarry on Earth…?”

    Now this is a truth I have come to understand…but understanding something is not the same thing as owning something as a dear treasure our heart.

    I think am also beginning to understand why fasting (as well as other ascetical practices of self denial) is so important too. Its relates to this remembrance of death. When we eat without watchfulness, then the pleasures of eating good food entices our hearts to proclaim, “I like this delicious tasting food so very much, and thus I like it here on this earthly earth of ours just fine. Why would I ever want to leave?” But to “remember death” is the joyful longing for departure to be with the true Love of our hearts -God. He is the pearl of great price, for whom we gladly “sell all that we possess” by means of death!

  66. Christopher Avatar

    To push the other way a bit, I am beginning to wonder about those who have no touchstone with AA. Can morality/Orthodoxy/ontology be reduced to the addiction/powerless paradigm (say of passions)? I see the point, but it does not seem to be the whole story either. Is morality ONLY to be thought of in terms of a self deceptive quest for power and distraction (rather personal or cultural/historical) like step 1?

  67. albert Avatar


    Woud it surprse you to know that I am an old guy, diseased (soul and body) and “my heart still proves itself to be young, swaying back and forth between desires for earthly life and true life solely lived in God. I have my fears, my wants…But at least now I [hope] I am pointed in the right direction.” I plan to make out of that brief statement a book mark, fridge magnet, greeting card, poem–something, anything, that won’t dissolve in the storms or get lost in the woods of my heart.

    Thank you for your contributions to this amazing resource, for which I am continually thanking God–and Fr. Stephen. I won’t ask if your wise perspective comes from suffering or straight from God, because I think I know the simple answer: both.

    Prayers, and “Many Years”–which really means many moments, one at a time.

  68. Michelle Avatar

    No, thank you, albert. Your very gracious and kind words mean a lot to me.

    Your sister in Christ,

  69. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    And it must be the case that we see the Face of our Beloved in death, else it would be the greatest loss indeed. Where I am at the moment, I think, is not yet seeing the Face clearly, but being willing to take the plunge because He says it will be ok (not that I have a lot of choice when it comes down to it).

  70. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Oddly, the morality question (do the right thing) just doesn’t seem to have sufficient power to change a human life.

  71. tess Avatar

    I’ve been thinking about the people for whom the addiction metaphor is causing confusion— I can understand where one might get stuck on, “But can’t I hope for recovery?”

    I think maybe the bridge might be that, yes, “recovery” might be a theoretical or miraculous possibility, but it misses the point. Sometimes we have to give up things we like. Sometimes we have to give up things we love. Sometimes those things are things that are bad for us— drugs or alcohol are obvious examples. But sometimes, too, we have to give things up that aren’t bad for us in order to sweep the room for a greater outpouring of grace.

    So it really shouldn’t matter if an alcoholic could theoretically have another drink. That he or she is aware, like Bruce, of their utter reliance on God is a spiritual gift that is worth the price of giving up alcohol. May God grant that we each see the thing we love more than Him, and the grace to put it down!

  72. Christopher Avatar

    Father Stephen,

    If I recall correctly you have stated you are not attempting to “negate” morality. Are you, however, not assigning it to nothing more than dust – nothing and thus simply another futile aspect of a futile “fallen” existence? Something to not trip over on the way to Grace (or more accurately, not to hold on to when the hand of Grace is being offered)?

    “all things work together for good”. Ok, then does not morality also have a place?

    I get the message about limitations (of anything including morality) – particularly in a culture that has emphasized a “moralistic” life in several different, conflicting and wrong headed ways, but can not this be over emphasized?

    I am thinking of morality like my morning breakfast – not salvific in anyway in of itself but in several important ways very much a part of life. What would a world be like without breakfast – how would it function? Is breakfast perfection? No, but it’s a “necessary” part of life. It certainly is a necessary part of corporate life – and in the sense that wisdom is contained (despite much falsehood obviously) in our corporate life it is part of that.

    I suppose I am admitting I am not totally convinced of your radical either/or distinction – that between “moral man” and “miraculous life”, at least beyond a certain pedagogical emphasis. Perhaps I am not buying into the addiction/recovery polarity and absolutes (I don’t think “absolutism” is the wrong word here) which it seems to so heavily lean on. Is our Christian life/calling really so completely circumscribed by this paradigm (and if so, should not every service of the Church be followed immediately by a meeting 🙂 )? Can’t quite put my finger on it, but I get a definite “baby out with the bathwater” vibe. We are “Christianly” called to a radical break with this world – is ALL the content of “morality” simply a part of the worlds futility, even if you grant the various personal, cultural, and historical distortions and abuses (going back of course to the pharisees and beyond). Are the commandments then simply a temporary injunction, a sort of “we will do this until the eschaton to try to limit a little bit the damage our own passions would otherwise cause – and oh by the way, the commandments really are nothing more than “filthy rags” in the end”?

    Perhaps I am losing the plot when “what is moral” is commingled (confusingly so) with “a person who is striving to be moral” (positive I think, or at least necessary) and “a moralist” (negative, like a pharisee). We also have the question of what is truly moral (commandments) and what is of man (everything else, including human “justice”, societal norms which are obviously diverse and relative, etc.) running through all this along with the question of whether a term like “moral” can be salvaged from “western distortions”. You talk of straw men and the distinction you are trying to make, but I wonder if several more distinctions are not necessary.

    OR, perhaps I am simply “trapped” in a moral philosophy – perhaps the Fast will help me with that!

    On a lighter note, I have to ask, is your new book a sort of Orthodox “big blue book”? 🙂

  73. Dino Avatar

    The way I see it is that morality has its place, it can be an esteemed place in the affairs of this world. The integrity of a true Christian is, in fact, such that one would be able to characterize them as ‘moral’. Staying on that would obviously be missing the forest for the trees though, Morality’s expediency being no more than the young man’s “All these things have I kept from my youth up”, who was clearly aware of, “what lack I yet?”, but writhed when ontology was offered him: “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” So, although morality can have a place, such as the scaffolding does in construction, (a place amongst many other possible components of the ‘scaffolding’) and it sometimes helps build some houses. Yet it’s not the house.
    In Greek we have a beautiful differentiation between morality (“ethiki”) and “ethos” – the first evokes something that you have no way of knowing whether it is purely pharisaic or not, and the second conveys a holistic integrity that can only be a corollary of something far greater than the first.

  74. Bruce Avatar


    One of the most repeated sentences I’ve seen from Father Stephen over the many years of this blog is:

    “Jesus did not die to make bad men good but to make dead men live”

    Let’s see if we can quickly unpack this amazing idea in ways that really relate it to our discussion about ontology and morality.

    If you’re in the water and you know how to swim, do you see the lifeguard as a nice adornment for little kids who can’t swim but completely unessential to the quality of your own swimming experience?

    If, on the other hand, you don’t know how to swim and you’ve wandered into the deep end, the lifeguard becomes your ‘savior’ who has rescued you from death.

    How many of us really consider morality as a set of skill developments we can accomplish to be good rather than seeing our attempts to be good as foolish as a drowning man refusing to accept the help of a lifeguard?

    This is even further confused by the mistaken belief I have taken from my upbringing that any relationship with God is dependent upon our ‘goodness’ skill development. We must master ‘goodness’ without God before we can hope to have any relationship with Him.

    The point here is that so much of our ‘religious activities’ originate from a position of skill development on how to ‘be good’. We even believe we can and should accomplish these ‘moral tasks’ without God from the very same self-will and training we use to learn how to swim. If I’m not good, I need to rely on more training or self-knowledge to learn how to ‘be good’. We can further believe that our relationship with God is in a perpetual state of non-existence because my ‘goodness’ skill development is poor and underdeveloped. In short, I need more theology…more swim lessons…more stuff to shore up the holes in my own self-sufficiency while never letting go of this mindset of finding all I need from me and not from Him.

    My entire life was dominated by this belief that I was supposed to be self sufficient and that, very bizarrely, my relationship with God would also have to rely on this self sufficiency to attain a ‘goodness’ that would made a relationship with Him possible. No wonder by age 15, I was moving away from this angry, resentful God who was always demanding more of me than I was capable of producing from my own self will and self sufficiency. Others, better than me in their ‘goodness’ skill development, may find themselves convinced that they have sufficient skills, like the Pharisee, to please God in ‘moral’ actions while not requiring any of His help or participation.

    My key point is that my mindset of skill development and self-sufficiency is itself a huge barrier I must overcome and ‘repent of’ in my journey to union and communion and with God. If we accept the very Orthodox understanding of sin as separation from God, my attitude of self sufficiency and moral skill development as actions I take independent from a reliance on God are the very walls that perpetuate the ‘old man’ and must be dismantled/emptied for the ‘new man’ to live.

    We pray, we fast, we give alms, we confess, we commune, not in order to be better people, but to become alive in Christ. As we learn to die to the futility our self sufficiency, we find a miraculous balance between our ability to abandon ourselves and the appearance of God’s grace to fill and fuel our lives. The immensity of this grace matches the depth of our repentance and rushes in if we can humbly see ourselves as broken and lost dead men, hopeless and helpless without Christ. We share as creatures in the mystery of Life in Christ as we learn to live in the purity of His commands, with the illumination of His eyes to see and His ears to hear, and the discovery of our true nature and authenticity as members of His Body.

  75. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    I’m working on a follow up article that will be of use. But shortly, of course moral behavior, doing the right thing, following the commandments, is an important aspect of our spiritual lives. Moralism, however, raises it to a defining place where it doesn’t belong. The forensic/legal model ultimately created habits of thought in which it becomes everything.

    It is not. It is, at best, a means to measure the symptoms of the disease of death. But it can never be the means of the cure. It does not have the power to make the dead live. That’s a different matter.

    If we fail to pay attention to what does matter – life from the dead – then we’ve consigned ourselves to lives of symptom management.

    I’m simply suggesting that we open our eyes and see the actual truth of our situation and think and act accordingly. For example, most people will go about their day with some awareness of the moral struggle. Perhaps they neglect prayer. Generally, they will treat this as just one more thing on a list of moral failings.

    It is not. It is “the one thing necessary.” Active communion with God is not about morality – it’s about our very existence and well-being. And that’s just one example. Without right understanding, we make many poor choices – out of ignorance.

  76. albert Avatar

    Fr. Stephen,

    I really latched on to your statement that prayer is “the one thing necessary.” I believe that it is, but I find myself trying so hard to make it so in my daily life that I fall into the trap of thinking that I CAN make it that. That I can make prayer the necessary thing. I start repeating formulas (sadly for me, unless i am reflective and quiet even the Jesus prayer sometimes feels hollow, like I’m just repeating important words the way other phrases ,or tunes, repeat themselves in my head endlessly and unbidden). The simple phrases help redirect my focus, but is that really prayer, and am I not being somewhat like the moralist who tries hard to follow rules? Should I expect that it is possible to “pray always”? I understand and have experienced how the Divine Liturgy and other services with priest and choir and candles are the essential prayer, and I feel blessed to be able to participate – but it’s the rest of the time, moments of stress or distraction, moments of what seems like happiness, moments of quiet: these times override the prayer “instinct” (urge, need, attraction–im not sure how to put it) so that I get to the end of the day and realize how little time, and therefore–evidently–how less important prayer actually is for me. And even at those times of approaching prayer, I often choose to read, not traditional prayers–which also feel stiff and lifeless in a way–but books, mail from spiritual friends, blogs like yours, all of which have a kind of feel’ or sense, of prayer.

    So while thinking about and being inspired by all the various comments to this post, I realized that your simple statement about “the one thing necessary” crystalized for me some irritating floaters in the back of my mind. I do not expect that there is a simple anser ; don’t even know if I am asking a question or merely describing an element of prayer itself. Just wanted you to know that your words take hold.

  77. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Recognizing that prayer is “the one thing necessary,” is much like saying, “I love God.” In the model confession from the Pilgrim Continues His Way that I included in a recent article, we admit, “I do not love God,” because we obviously don’t act like it. In the same way, we do not think prayer is the one thing necessary, because we just do not act like it.

    Having said that, we turn our attention to the root: coming to believe that it is the one thing necessary.

    We are like a man lying on the ground turning blue while we looks carefully at the messages on his phone – the doctor who diagnoses him after his death says: “He forgot to breathe.”

    Prayer is not a moral activity – it is a matter of our existence. We should pray like we breathe – and just as often.

  78. AJ Avatar

    You took the words right out of my mouth…you aren’t alone with regards to prayer.
    It has been suggested to me that I “just obey” regarding prayers. For example, in the morning I should still read the prayers even if I don’t feel anything since emotions can’t always be trusted. So obedience is better, and maybe for the few minutes I did actually pay full attention it will be true prayer. I know this certainly shows a lack of love for Christ.
    But I don’t want to be caught in a trap of “feelings” are the only real prayer and the rest is just me saying words.
    So how does obedience to the commands fit into the morality picture? I know everything is about union with Christ and not just following a moral code, but sometimes if I obey the commands ( prayer, confession, doing good deeds etc) without a real desire..then the desire for Christ is greater after I have prayed etc.

  79. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Obedience is good. If we bring joy to it, it’s better.

  80. Paul Avatar

    I have been thinking about these series of posts and have a few thoughts. I am not orthodox so bare with me.
    A long time ago I did something cowardly. I recoiled when a mentally ill person approached me. I was startled and didn’t have time or the forethought to act in love. I know I am forgiven by Christ 100 percent but my forensic way of looking at things leaves me without any way of healing from that sin. I will be affected by it some way in my soul and may repeat my cowardice or act out in some way. AA seems to get this as alcoholics are required to carefully make amends to people they have hurt. Really protestanism doesnt have any kind of guidance or teaching on this. I believe that God has forgiven me but inside I dont feel it has been resolved. My only place to go is maybe to psychotherapy or try to really forgive myself. That is why I have been attracted both to the idea of penance and making amends in AA. I sense the need to heal. Now to go back to your point. I can morally improve myself to help the mentally ill or the homeless. That is a good start but inside I may still feel the gut reaction of fear. What is needed is not more morality but a new being who is filled with love and not fear. I am reminded of the Band of Brothers movie where the captain tells the cowardly private that the problem is that he still thinks he is alive. If the private just realized he was dead, then he would be cured of his fear.

  81. Dino Avatar

    That’s where the awesome (I use the word in its original meaning) sacrament of confession comes in. Discovering the ‘new man’ while confessing the ‘old man’ to Christ – in the person of Christ’s representative on earth – cures everything. Grace comes and does the curing. I really do not know of anything comparable (ie: that is accessible to non-Orthodox) I am afraid!

  82. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Yes. The dilemma you describe is also driven by the absence of sacramental confession (which can also include penance in the form of amends where appropriate). We need the sacramental life because running around in our own minds is just a path to insanity.

    I like that series – Band of Brothers. I cannot explain why I am drawn to such films. It’s certainly not the violence – but rather the amazement of how anyone does anything at all in its face. As a child of the 50’s, I was surrounded by veterans of WWII, including my father. All of my life, they were the men to whom I looked up. It was simply an epic struggle – truly mythic in its proportions.

  83. Luke Padgett Avatar
    Luke Padgett

    Well done, and convincing.

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