How the Scriptures Became the Scriptures

How did the Scriptures become the Scriptures? In particular, how did early Christians decide which books would be included in the Scriptures and which books would not – for there were far more writings of the time that were set aside than those that were accepted as being Scripture?

Interestingly, the process did not happen right away. The writings that are today described as being the New Testament were largely or completely finished by the end of the first century – that is – within the lifetime of the longest surviving disciple (St. John). Yet, the Church did not declare what writings were to be considered Scripture for more than a century after that. Why did the so-called “New Testament Church” wait for over a century to declare what would be the New Testament?

There are a number of modern Christians who speak of the New Testament as though it were the definitive achievement of the early Church. For them, only those things that can be “proven” by reference to the New Testament are considered authoritative or true. It is that same method that they use to justify their own beliefs and practices. But, we will note, they have established a requirement that not even the early Church observed.

There is, first, the problem of circular logic. How can you establish the authority of the New Testament before the New Testament is complete? With advocates of a “New Testament Church,” this problem is usually obviated by reference to the Apostles. While the Apostles were alive, they reason, they functioned as a sort of living New Testament. The Scriptures were not utterly necessary until they died. However, once they died, the Scriptures become the sole authority (Sola Scriptura). Of course, unlike the American Constitution, the New Testament did not include a method of “ratification.” By the time of the last Apostle, there were already documents claiming to be “Apostolic” or the “Secret teachings of Jesus” in circulation. How was the early Church able to decide what was authentic and what was false? The modern NT scholar, Bart Ehrman, has created a small cottage industry by playing off this problem.

Those who struggle to anchor the Christian faith in a first-century Scripture, fail to notice what the Apostles actually did complete by the end of the first century. The Scriptures that today comprise the New Testament were completed by the end of that century, but they had not yet become the Scriptures that they would be. What the Apostles completed in their lifetime (and even before its end) was the founding of the Church. It is this labor that occupied all of their time and their attention. The Apostle Paul’s ministry stretched over 35 years (more or less). In that time he wrote 14 letters (at most). Those writings are relatively short. What else did he do for 35 years? He established communities of Christians all across the Mediterranean; he taught; he communicated the Tradition; He trained and ordained leaders; He revisited communities; He trained a team to assist him. His life was the Church. Everything he wrote, he wrote as an extension of his work in and for the Church.

It was this beloved Church that he called, “the Body of Christ.” It was this beloved Church that he called, “The Pillar and Ground of Truth.” It was her inner life, described as “traditions,” taught “by word or our epistle,” that he instructed his fellow workmen to “hold fast” (2 Thess. 2:15).

This last instruction points to the reality of the Church’s life. The gospels (all four) which we now have, show clear evidence of having first been known and taught orally. They were not entirely the compositions of four different men (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). They clearly have much material in common (sometimes word for word). St. Paul and his fledgling communities were not strangers to this oral tradition. In 1 Corinthians 11, St. Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth of the oral tradition of the Eucharist. He specifically says that he traditioned (ὃ καὶ παρέδωκα ὑμῖν) to them what he himself had received by tradition (παρέλαβον ἀπὸ τοῦ Κυρίου), that “In the night in which He was betrayed, He took bread…”  He then relates, pretty much word-for-word, the account of the institution of the Eucharist as it is given in Matthew, Mark and Luke. This is more than a decade or two before those gospels are held to have been written. The oral tradition of the gospels (doubtless that tradition contained most of what forms the gospels that we have today) predates the written gospels by decades. The best NT scholars today suggest that the tradition Paul cites in such a fixed form goes back to around 35 AD (2 years after the resurrection).

The Church of the first century, founded and nurtured tirelessly by the Apostles, was grounded in this oral tradition. It included stories of the gospels, early hymns (such as Philippians 2:5-11), creedal material (1 Corinthians 15:1-5), and such things. Most especially, its inner life and character as the worshipping community of Jesus were formed in a manner that consistently reflected the gospel itself. The incarnate God, crucified in weakness, dead, descended into Hades, raised from the dead in power, triumphant over death and hell, exalted to the right hand of the Father, coming again to bring the fullness of His Kingdom, formed the shape of the early Christian life. Salvation was through union with Christ. That union was initiated in Baptism and sealed by the gift of the Spirit. It was nourished in the Eucharist of His Body and Blood. It was reaffirmed by a life marked by humility, hospitality, care for the poor, and obedience to the way of the Cross (even obedience unto death). It was guided by that inner life, expressed in the teachings of the Apostles, maintained by the Bishops whom they appointed within the Church. The sheep knew the voice of their Shepherd.

It was the recognition of that voice that ultimately affirmed the Scriptures that we now describe as the New Testament. The “canon” of the New Testament (those books the Church accepted as authoritative) was based on what was actually used in the Churches over the first few centuries. The discussions within the Church in affirming a canon were comparisons from place to place as to what books were read within the worship life of the Church. The lists varied. But several things are of note:

1. The lists did not include books that deviated in any way from the normative account of the Apostolic faith. There was no acceptance of gospels that ignored the centrality of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. There were no books whose descriptions of the Christian way of life deviated from the example of Christ and the Apostles.

2. Some books were not universally accepted, but had enough acceptance to be considered canonical (Revelation is an example – it is still not read in the Eastern Orthodox Church, though it is considered canonical).

3. Some books that were generally believed to be Apostolic in origin did not have enough acceptance to be included among the canonical works. Thus the Didache, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, though generally accepted as Apostolic, lacked sufficient universality).

It is important to consider the fact that there were no books within the lists that were outside the mainstream of the received Orthodox Tradition. How was that? There was no centralized, controlling bureaucracy, no mass communication. There was, instead, a common mind (as St. Paul enjoined his Churches, cf. 1 Cor. 1:10; 2 Cor. 13:11; Phil. 1:27; Phil. 2:2; Phil 3:16; Phil. 4:2, etc.). That common mind is, in fact, what Orthodox mean by Tradition. St. Paul does not enjoin the Churches, “Read the same New Testament.” He says, “Be of one mind.” The Church is of one mind, because it is the one Church in the one Lord, in the one Spirit, in the one Apostolic Tradition. That one mind spoke and established the canon of the New Testament. Many today read the same book, but because they are not of the same mind, fail to understand it.

The Scripture is not prior to the Church, but of the Church. It is a manifestation of the Church’s divine life. It speaks with the voice of Christ, the same voice that speaks throughout the life of the Church. In recognizing the voice of its shepherd, the Church declared some books to be authoritative, that is, consistent with the voice of Christ they already knew. As St. John says to the Church:

These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him (1 Jn. 2:26-27).

Interestingly, in this very passage, John acknowledges his role in writing, but also acknowledges that the Church already has something that teaches and guards from falsehood – the anointing – the Holy Spirit. He is not describing “two poles,” or “two sources,” or “two authorities.” His writing and the anointing have one and the same action. John writes and the anointing abides, and both preserve the Church. The Church knows its shepherd and His voice (and even St. John’s writing) because the anointing abides within it. St. John does not suggest that his writing can now substitute for the anointing.

And so the Church establishes what is now called the canon of Scripture. Those books that are consistent with the witness of the anointing in the Church and have been recognized as such over time by the Church, are declared to be authoritative. But the anointing does not cease, for it is the very constitution of the Church. The Church which is the Body of Christ is made so by the one Spirit it has received and continues to receive and in which it abides.

Schemes of interpretation and ecclesiology rooted in sola scriptura ultimately divorce the Scriptures from the Church and the Church from the anointing. The result is the present sad state of denominational Christianity.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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232 responses to “How the Scriptures Became the Scriptures”

  1. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    We are stuck at an impasse here!
    Indeed we need God with skin on, but, “Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” This is the necessary step to reach that blessed state where you see Him as the pure in heart see Him.
    In other words, to the person that nothing less than a personal experience will do, until that personal experience, faith, not lack of it, is the only “bringer of that personal experience”
    Seeing a God that you had no prior faith in would be the most crushing experience possible.
    As a rule, if one reads through the lives of the Saints, He appeared, in the most incontestable manner that passes all understand ing and doubt, to the saints that He appeared once they had proved that faith towards Him…

  2. PJ Avatar
    PJ

    Amen, Dino.

    This is the 200th post. I, for one, bid adieu to this thread. I’ve already run my mouth far too much. Yap, yap, yap. 😉

  3. Eleftheria Avatar
    Eleftheria

    Dear Fr. Stephen,
    What a post!…and the comments it has generated!…all truly impressive! Reading through these comments –

    Fr. Stephen wrote: Orthodoxy does not deny the true Christianity of others…
    and: What God has for us – and how the journey goes – is in His hands alone.
    Mary wrote: However, I do believe that within all of these groups there are good and earnest children of God who may, for a myriad of reasons, not call God by name or know Jesus as Christ.
    – reminded me of what I’ve always thought of as an Orthodox prayer for all people. It’s from the Small Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos:

    By the Holy Spirit, EVERY SOUL is made living, is exalted, and made shining through purification by the threefold Oneness, in a hidden manner.

    It’s this prayer that has always given me hope in God’s love for all people.

    Also, Drewster’s comment:

    Your comment to Brian about the Protestant church not being the church made me sad.

    reminded me of what an elder once said when asked about Protestant and Orthodox churches – Orthodoxy is not a church; we are the Kingdom of God! Why else would each of our services begin: Blessed is the Kingdom of God?!

    He wasn’t kidding, btw…

    May God grant us all “to be made living”!

    In Christ,
    Eleftheria

  4. drewster2000 Avatar
    drewster2000

    Dinoship,

    “Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” Yes, and yet Thomas was not turned away. Jesus came back a 2nd time just for him.

    You’re not going to win this one. You are one of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum and I have benefited greatly from your wisdom, but your answers are so quick in coming. Don’t be overeager to solve everything. There’s nothing to gain by letting this one go. On the other hand you have much to lose by pursuing it to the ends of the earth. Let this one go please.

  5. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    The Elder Aimilianos of Simonos Petras and Ormylia monasteries has commented extensively on this matter while speaking on the life of a relatively unknown saint, Nilus of Kalabria (end of 10th century) who also had one of the most striking experiences of God, later in his life. (Unfortunately still only available in Greek)
    Before beholding the Lord, Saint Nilus resisted time and again against this terrible temptation which befalls anchorites far more than us lot -as they have renounced absolutely everything for His sake-, of ‘wanting to make Him the object of our experience’.
    Nilus is a formidable example of an ascetic who payed absolutely no heed to how he was “feeling” (even if he felt like God is invisible, deaf, dumb and non-existent) and carried on praying in total solitude (!), with only one thing mattering to him, his “believing” that God is everywhere, watching, loving, all eyes and ears.

    This weight on “belief” instead of “feeling/experience” in this context signifies the necessary humility that eventually attracts God. It is at the heart of the matter and is the prerequisite for a real encounter that would otherwise be denied (as well as catastrophic)

    I must attract the one Who “where he willeth doth blow”. And I must do this in solitude too…

    After removing the distractions I love, Nothing is more attractive than the recognition of my own infirmity (on the one hand), combined with acceptant, respectful faith in His omnipotence (on the other). Have we got these? then, and only then, God is all yours, completely and utterly!

  6. Andrew Avatar

    Devin,

    If I can add my voice to Drewster & Connie’s. What’s not to like, or believe, about the Abba Joseph story? It is both literally and spiritually true. Patently so.

    The problem lies in our understanding of the nature of things (all things, including demons and truth itself, layer upon layer).

    The love of God is beyond all, and capable of all. The message of Abba Joseph is the very heart of the gospel.

  7. Shane Avatar
    Shane

    John Shores said “That the only response I get is for people to refer me to a book or to someone else’s life simply underscores my dilemma. You want me to encounter a “personal” being that can only be encountered through reading and observation of other people.”

    John, sorry but you misunderstood me. My point was not to refer you to a book to encounter a “personal” being. My point was that one of the greatest sages to have ever lived recognized that there is more than the rational mind and the body’s senses can grasp. Concerning the Tao, Lao Tzu stated:
    Look, it cannot be seen – it is beyond form.
    Listen, it cannot be heard – it is beyond sound.
    Grasp, it cannot be held – it is intangible.
    Form of the formless,
    Image of the imageless,
    It is called indefinable and beyond imagination.
    Stand before it – there is no beginning.
    Follow it and there is no end.

    When God revealed himself to Elijah, it wasn’t in the earthquake, it wasn’t in the wind. It was in the sound of silence.

  8. Andrew Avatar

    yes,…in a gentle breeze (a “divine wind”).
    (1 Kings 19:11-13)

  9. John Shores Avatar
    John Shores

    dinoship:

    Indeed we need God with skin on

    Isn’t this pretty much the purpose of icons? Making visible the invisible? If the Church Fathers recognized that the faith needs physical representations and that faith is strengthened by the physical representations (rather that being simply a mental exercise), does it not follow that the physical is in fact important to human beings? Saul heard an audible voice. So did Noah, Moses, Abraham and Daniel. Why not you or me? (Then again, every time God taslks to people, trouble seems to be close behind…)

    Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.

    I could handle with not being that blessed.

    “According to the Bible, God promised to bless Abraham and those who came after him,” said Contreau. “Who knows, maybe that sounded good at the time, or maybe ‘blessed’ meant something different back then, like ‘Short periods of prosperity interrupted by insufferable friggin’ chaos.’ Whatever, I think it’s safe to say that people didn’t know what they were agreeing to.”

    (from SatireWire (there is mild swearing in this article so be forewarned))

    PJ:

    But it bears repeating that we cannot rely on our own, isolated reason.

    That’s precisely my point. If one has to believe (which is a mental exercise) then they are at the mercy of their capacity to reason on some level. The story alone has to make sense to a person on some level in order to be believable.

    I don’t want my faith to depend upon any mental exercises. There has to be a better way to know a person than through constant seeking (another mental exercise) and study (a further mental exercise) and familiarizing oneself with the lives of saints (a different exercise), while all the while trying to be still and calm one’s mind (yet another further different mental exercise). You see my conundrum? Basically, I don’t want to be duped again, because I am too gullible and far to trusting of people.

    Love you guys. Thanks for the great discussion.

  10. John Shores Avatar
    John Shores

    Thomas was not turned away. Jesus came back a 2nd time just for him.

    A beautiful example, drewster. Thank you for that.

  11. mary benton Avatar
    mary benton

    John S. said “Which brings us back to a point that I keep making – if there is a god and he is a personal god, all of this would be moot if he simply revealed himself to people in ways that they understand and cannot explain away.”

    A personal love must involve risk. If you could be absolutely certain that God exists and loves you unconditionally, to love Him back would be automatic and require nothing. How can a true, personal love require nothing of the lover?

    If Jesus is the Incarnation of God, then God has been the greatest and most personal of lovers – having given self in Eucharist and then in death, with no guarantee of getting any response.

    I don’t blame you though for being fearful of being duped again. It is better to allow yourself to time to heal from betrayal before considering opening yourself to such a total love relationship. Too many people join religions to block out pain and that doesn’t help them know God.

    Under a previous post, I think I referred you to something in my own blog – the notion of a prayer to an unknown God: “God, if you exist, help me to know you.” I’m am amazed at the “personal” response I have had to this prayer – not in any one dramatic moment but in years of living.

    (It is possible that I have deluded myself, of course. However, if so, it is a grand delusion and the greatest way I can imagine being able to live.)

    + Blessings to all for wonderful exchange.

  12. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    I agree with you Mary.
    John, without doubt you are a magnificent soul.
    By saying, “Then again, every time God talks to people, trouble seems to be close behind…” signifies you are suspecting (correctly) that God’s foreknowledge of man’s reaction is sometimes responsible for His “hiddeness”, (maybe not always, but more often than not – He is protecting us from ourselves and handles us with ‘velvet gloves’)

    What I mean is that even the demons have had that encounter which is the meaning of existence and which we are discussing here,
    as have the angels, but their reaction to the encounter was not dependant on the encounter but on their previous self-centredness or God-centredness (for lack of a better word). The encounter is far less of a problem (or of a solution) than true humility is!
    The uniquely honoured, with the direct witness of the risen Christ, Apostles (12 & 70) had allegedly some amongst them who faltered.
    Many saints who had the desirable encounter and life changing visitation of Grace later lapsed and lost all faith! so, even though their faith had become experience- knowledge rather than belief, through pride they were bereft of it to the point of doubting their own experience… -they re-acquired it with greater force as soon as they humbly repented. (e.g.St Isaac the Ascetic -not the syrian-) humans are such mystery!
    St Silouan at the end of his life had to only say this: “I still haven’t learned the humility of Christ I witnessed!”

  13. John Shores Avatar
    John Shores

    mary

    A personal love must involve risk. If you could be absolutely certain that God exists and loves you unconditionally, to love Him back would be automatic and require nothing.

    I disagree. This would not turn people into robots or in any way reduce one’s love for the other. I have faith in my friends because I know them and they have proven themselves to be faithful. No relationship can be had when one is required to believe that the other exists. That is purely imagination at work. I know as much about the character of Gandalf or Aragorn or Faramir (who were so poorly portrayed in the movie as to be entirely different people from the people that we come to know in the sacred texts of Saint J.R.R.) as I do the character of god. This seems a very poor starting point.

    It is possible that I have deluded myself, of course.

    I appreciate your honesty. To be candid, I sometimes feel like I have been unplugged from the Matrix and wish I could plug back in and stay there.

    dinoship

    By saying, “Then again, every time God talks to people, trouble seems to be close behind…” signifies you are suspecting (correctly) that God’s foreknowledge of man’s reaction is sometimes responsible for His “hiddeness”, (maybe not always, but more often than not – He is protecting us from ourselves and handles us with ‘velvet gloves’)

    What I mean is that whenever god speaks, there is generally a flood, plagues, fire from heaven, captivity, war or some other chaos or destruction close behind. Perhaps if heaven and hell just left us alone, we’d be much better off. (Of all the trillions of planets, god had to cast satan to this one? Doesn’t that make you just a little suspicious?)

  14. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    The Centillions of Galaxies, each containing trillions of planets does not make me suspicious or faithless, even though I ‘get’ the reasoning of those on whom such knowledge has such an effect. Along with the astrophysicist and Orthodox metropolitan Nicholaos of Mesogaia I say that it shows that God’s creation is intentionally challenging to our reasoning comprehension so that we can finally, one day become suspicious of our own reasoning based conceptual capabilities and give faith a go… Our minds in the west have become so monolithic in that respect, we do not even need satan to challenge our faith.
    By the way we do not claim to know the exact number of angels or demons (in the Church tradition) in that same way that we speculate that there are around 80 to 50 billion people that have ever been born on our planet. However, whether there are many more or many less makes no difference to what matters, and whether the noetic powers are mainly in some ‘proximity’ (in human language) to earth or not makes no difference either to what matters, which is to be freed from what hinders our union with the Source of Life, Love and Existence Himself….

  15. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    I would say that the Matrix is a metaphor for the delusion of “rationally” believing ‘there is no God’. It is the ‘new way of thinking that this world has to offer’ closely linked to the comfortably numbing (of our existential questioning) provided by constant distraction. I wouldn’t want to be plugged in to that Matrix… The delusion of the ‘reasoned’ (verging on brainwashing sometimes) arguments against God has been covered before here. I would simply say that I have proofs of what I believe in while an atheist has no proofs of what he believes in, in fact he has an arbitrary construct of a god he must not believe in while the believer must have a pure mind – no use of imagination or anything anthropomorphic – as otherwise he would simply be creating an image too.
    The Uncreated One is related to; starting from belief, but that is only the entrance of the first hallway to a vast palace words cannot describe to any one standing outside…

  16. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    sorry for the typo, i obviously meant: “80 to 100 billion people that have ever been born on our planet”
    🙂

  17. Andrew Avatar

    The question is not if there is a God, but rather how do we relate? — seeing as our natural mind is unable to penetrate the exceedingly thin veil, unless guided by the Holy Spirit..

  18. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    220 comments, is this the record holder?

    Andrew,
    “how do we relate?” is particularly germane!
    How do we relate to all that is, creation as well as Creator?
    In a godless world, Man is the most absurdly farcical miniscule part of both space and time;
    united to his Creator – Him Who Is, Being/Existence Himself (quite a valid translation for “Ο ΩΝ”, I Am that I Am) – Man is a universal hypostasis, containing the trillions of galaxies and the totality of all creation, and eucharistically returning it to his Father in indescribable gratitude…

  19. Andrew Avatar

    How do we relate? — yes, always relevant Dino. The Godless world awaits it’s Redeemer. Thanks for posting 🙂

  20. mary benton Avatar
    mary benton

    John –

    I appreciate your comment and, of course, respect your right to disagree.

    However, I still believe that all love between people does involve risk because love is built on trust (or faith, if you will) rather than an absolute knowledge. Any friend, no matter how well we feel we know them, is still partially unknown to us. We go into it knowing that we cannot completely know them and thus they could hurt us. Of course we are trusting that they won’t – but we cannot be SURE.

    You wrote: “No relationship can be had when one is required to believe that the other exists.” An interesting premise. But if there is a God and that God has an existence that far exceeds our perceptual capacity, how then could such a God invite us into relationship? Perhaps by becoming a person within our perceptual range (Jesus?).

    That might lead to the question as to why Jesus (if he is the incarnation of such a God) cannot be perpetually be on earth, available to physically meet every human of every century. Yet to be such a human being would then take him out of the realm of being human in the same way we are, kind of defeating the purpose of becoming a human.

    Even then, there is still the dilemma of having to determine with our limited human senses, whether this human (or the perpetual quasi-human) really could be an incarnation of a greater being. Still seems to require some believing here.

    I don’t quite see how else God (if He exists) could have gotten around this dilemma but by doing what I believe He did. I’m not saying all of this to try to persuade you of something – because I know that this isn’t how one comes to know/experience God. Just kind of fascinated by the question… Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  21. Andrew Avatar

    JS,

    In stark contrast to the denominations, the real church has no need of a prop (either good or bad) to guarantee her existence, which is not bound by the rules and limitations (ordinary) that govern space and time.

    See The Limits of the Church by Fr. Georges Florovsky

    In other words man’s true place in history does not imply in any way, that he is to be governed by it — a conclusion that cannot be arrived at by reason alone.

    Put another way, we are simply the friends of God.

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  24. dinoship Avatar
    dinoship

    well said Mary!

    John S,

    the statement, “you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.” (Matthew 11:25-26) applies to us sometimes.

  25. PJ Avatar
    PJ

    ““No relationship can be had when one is required to believe that the other exists.” ”

    I know I bowed out of this conversation, but I must ask: How do any of us know that anyone else exists? It comes down to the presupposition — the belief — that our senses are fundamentally trustworthy. There’s much to support this belief, but also much to undermine it.

    Now God is perceived primarily intellectually, or, if you prefer, noetically. That is, by the “mind” (in the grander sense of the word). Can we presuppose the trustworthiness of our minds? They seem no less fickle or unreliable than the senses. The difference is, in our materialistic society, which is largely product of British empiricism, we privilege the senses.

    When you come down to it, humans are “believing animals.” Ultimately, we cannot truly verify anything, because we are stuck in ourselves, so to speak.

    Just some thoughts.

  26. mary benton Avatar
    mary benton

    One of the dilemmas is the search for God is how “fickle or unreliable” (quoting PJ) most of our ways of discerning are. Perhaps part of our dilemma is being afraid to trust ourselves when it comes to believing.

    Despite my long standing status as “believer”, there are many moments where I think, “No, it can’t be true.” Usually those are moments when I am trying to conceive of God using my mind or my senses. Although my mind can accept that God is possible, that is about as far as it can go.

    When I remember to return to my heart, I can again “know” God. I do not know in the sense that I know a fact, but know in the sense of experience. It is as unprovable as love in the heart of the lover – but about as real as anything gets…

  27. mary benton Avatar
    mary benton

    (we need an edit button for our typos!) meant “One of the dilemmas IN the search..”

  28. Andrew Avatar

    Like the devil in Abba Joseph’s story, man has forgotten what True Worship looks like — perhaps even more so, for his true existence is inextricably tied to the soil, from beginning to apparent end. Thus does he find himself in enmity with his fellow creatures, seeking from them what they cannot give, never realising that within his Eucharistic self, he holds the very key to eternal life.

  29. Burckhardtfan Avatar
    Burckhardtfan

    Father, thank you for this article. It has given me food for thought. “A Mule in the Chapter House” told me to tell you he sent me to this site. Like him, I share a fundamentalist evangelical background, and, like him, I have become dissatisfied with it. As a faithful Christian I want to understand more about the Lord and about my faith. This article was an excellent start to that.

  30. Westy Goes East Avatar
    Westy Goes East

    I realize this is way after the fact, but I don’t want to interrupt the thread of any of your other blog posts, Father Stephen. Do you know of a good Orthodox response to Bart Ehrman (since you mentioned him in the original article)? I’m not interested in any sola Scriptura Protestant articles, just ones from an Orthodox perspective. Thanks!

  31. fatherstephen Avatar
    fatherstephen

    Westy,
    By far the most definitive answer has been from Fr. John Behr. The original lecture (which he actually gave at UNC where Ehrman teaches) is no longer on the web as far as I can see. But this Youtube probably does much of the same. It’s been a while since I watched it. It won’t waste your time no matter.

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