The Walls of Paradise – And the Fire of God

I love walls. Perhaps the most charming aspect of medieval cities are their use of walls. Some surrounded the city and served as protection. Others surrounded smaller areas and prevented easy access and egress (perhaps understandable in a world with lots of animals present). There were other walls that signaled “higher” boundaries. In a medieval world, the “order” of things was thought important: kings and commoners, high-born and low-born, masters, yeomen, and apprentice, etc. The whole of the universe had an order (hierarchy) that included the angels, human beings, and all creatures. The point was not oppression or suppression, nor to “keep people in their place.” Rather, the order of things served the purpose of union with God. The entirety of the angelic ranks, though imagined to be “higher” than human beings, actually existed for the service of human beings, who would (according to the Scriptures) eventually judge them. Indeed, the Mother of God was hymned as “higher than the Cherubim, more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim.” Nevertheless, the “hierarchy” (literally, “holy order”) remained.

Walls were part of the holy order. Within the Church, railings, fences, or walls, separated the Sanctuary (“holy place”) from the general body of the Church. There was something of an order about who stood where (even among those in the sanctuary).

Walls have an inner reflection that has not entirely disappeared from our world. Psychologically, we describe them as “boundaries.” These demarcations note the “space” of another personality, or, even the “rights” of which we seem to be so fond. In a highly democratized world, external walls are often removed, while every internal wall struggles to maintain its existence. This adds to the confusion of an already confused world.

It is only walls and boundaries that make meaning possible.

On a page of text, each letter consists of boundaries between the blank whiteness of the page. If there are no boundaries, there is nothing to be read. The most frightening existence I can imagine would be to float in an empty black space in which location is meaningless and without reference. It is the stuff of a nightmare.

But, we indeed live in a democratized world. We challenge walls of every sort and shout approvingly whenever they come tumbling down. In a strange manner of speaking, democracy is the maximization of narcissism. Where there are no walls, everything is me and mine.

The medieval world’s intuition was not the product of a perverse culture. The heavenly city, described in Revelation, has walls. That highest vision of human happiness is de-fined – surrounded by mystic walls.

One of the modern expressions of un-bounded democratization is the doctrine of Sola Scriptura and its caricature of the “literal” reading of Scripture. People forget that Sola Scriptura gained its footing in a period that was committed to the overthrow of the medieval culture. If the Scriptures are easily accessible to everyone, then scholars, priests, and Church Fathers, will be reduced to equals. We want no mediator between us and God, and no mediator between ourselves and the meaning of Scripture. Of course, when every ploughman becomes a preacher, the confusion that ensues is more than predictable: it becomes ridiculous.

St. John Cassian expresses the mind of the Fathers in this manner:

To penetrate to the very heart and marrow of the heavenly words, and to contemplate their hidden and deep mysteries with the heart’s gaze purified, can be acquired neither through human science nor through profane culture, but only by purity of soul, through the illumination of the Holy Spirit.  Conferences, XIV,9

St. John knows, as do all the Fathers, that the truth of the Scriptures has its own boundaries, the first and easiest of which is the letter itself. To understand more than that requires something that is not merely common.

The same understanding was voiced long before by Origen, in a sentiment shared by many early Fathers:

If you try to reduce the divine meaning to the purely external signification of the words, the Word will have no reason to come down to you. It will return to its secret dwelling, which is contemplation that is worthy of it. For it has wings, this divine meaning, given to it by the Holy Spirit who is its guide … But to be unwilling ever to rise above the letter, never to give up feeding on the literal sense, is the mark of a life of falsehood.

None of these boundaries are created in order to separate us from God. They are, instead, a means by which we may come to Him in the right manner. From the moment of our expulsion from the Garden, an angel was set at the gates to prevent our entering in the wrong manner (and so create an even worse destruction for ourselves). The hiddenness of God, and of the things of God, are everywhere and always for our salvation. If hierarchy plays a role in our salvation, at the very least it is an effort to heal our demand to be equal to God.

There is no accident in God’s decision to enter our world through the most humble of all gates: the womb of the Blessed Virgin. The mystery of her womb is sometimes described as fire (she is the Burning Bush, who bears God in her womb – “our God is a consuming fire”) and yet is not burned. Our own rebirth and renewal in Christ comes through immersion in the same fire.

The Mother of God is a “boundary” against a misguided rationality. The very phrase, “Mother of God,” or “Theotokos,” is an impossibility, a contradiction in terms. And yet, it is true.  Those who dismiss her, or refuse to honor her, reject the saving mystery within her. By the same token, she can be embraced mindlessly in a manner that refuses to acknowledge the contrary nature that she represents.

Throughout our day, we are met with many contradictions – events that shatter our happy expectations with disappointment and suffering. These events are walls that interrupt our impeded progress towards self-destruction. They carry, beneath the contradiction, the fiery providence of God’s love, inviting us into the feast that lies within them. This, I think, is the most difficult of all trials. When St. James and St. John approached Christ, asking to sit on his right and on his left in the Kingdom, He answered, “Are you able to drink the Cup that I drink?” To this day, our pre-communion prayers say, “Burn me not as I partake…” The eucharist is a fiery Cup.

The whole of our daily experiences is Scripture of a sort, an epistle being written on the fleshy tables of the heart. It is, without a doubt, the most difficult epistle to read. The Elder Cleopas used to greet those who came to him by saying, “May paradise consume you!” We are surrounded by paradise, though a flaming sword guards its entrance.

I think that it is only in giving thanks always and for all things that we are able to pull back the veil and enter into the fiery mystery of God-in-the-world. This action is often taken quickly, in order to survive the difficulties of a day. There are some brave and holy souls who linger over the Cup long enough to drink a proper draft. It is done in order to get past the things for which we give thanks and to find the Giver Himself.

And this brings me back to walls. A world without walls would be a world without meaning. I have discovered, over time, that there are walls-within-walls in the human heart. Some of them hide frightful secrets. Even there, paradise hovers ready to consume us if we linger long enough in our desire for God.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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71 responses to “The Walls of Paradise – And the Fire of God”

  1. Eric Avatar
    Eric

    Thank you Father Stephen

    Not lease for the photograph of my home

  2. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    You live very close to paradise…

  3. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Dear Fr. Stephen,

    I would like to push back a bit against the idea of hierarchy in the Middle Ages (and in general in society) being a positive structure. That said, I´m not sure I can do it without the comment becoming political which is against your rules. You do discuss democracy within the body of your article, so maybe I have some wiggle room. Please advise.

  4. Colin Avatar
    Colin

    Staggeringly beautiful and profound. I feel as if I have stepped through a gap in the wall into a whole new world of revelation. Thank You.

  5. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Are there hierarchies in your life – “holy structures” that define (which means to give boundaries) and shape your existence and give it meaning? When voting (in a democracy) are we not trying to create “holy” boundaries (laws/policies) that will shape the reality of our environment? If there are no hierarchies (boundaries) in the world is that not the same thing as chaos?

    Make your point – push back – but think a bit about what I’m trying to say in the article. It really isn’t an article about politics.

  6. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    Father,

    I don’t know if you’ve seen the movie “The Island” with Pyotr Mamonov. It’s one of my favorites.

    There’s a scene that I’ll try to recall the best I can. Father Anatoly, the holy fool, is in conversation with Father Philaret, the abbot, after Anatoly threw Philaret’s comfortable boots in the furnace and his comfortable bed in the sea in his flailing effort to “exorcise the demons”. Anatoly admits to Abbot Philaret that he was made “almost a saint” and that “he doesn’t know why God chose him to lead the community because he’s such a sinner”, or something along those lines.

    I have struggled with the notion that there seems to be a distinction sometimes between man’s choice for hierarchy not being in line with God’s choice for hierarchy. In this scene, they explore a hierarchy that exists within a hierarchy. I do believe this is some kind of paradox that is above my pay grade to discern or judge and that we are to submit to all of it in some form or fashion. There have been people, though, in my life that I have sensed that I should “follow them as they follow Christ” that are not generally recognized as leaders. And I’ve also sensed that I should NOT follow those that are NOT following Christ even if they are in a position of leadership.

    Will you speak to this in some way, Father?

  7. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Rob,
    Your instincts are very instructive. Democracy (especially “pure” democracy) seeks to wipe out all distinctions and ranks. It becomes, unwittingly, a form of cultural narcissism. In the Middle Ages, the public “hierarchies” were named, and had a form of accountability according to their position (which, given our sinfulness) was often violated or misused, no doubt. I well understand the various rebellions that sought to redress such wrongs.

    In modernity, without any named hierarchies, or with imaginations that presume there are no such things, we discover a lingering, vague sense that there is still something “there.” The universe is not chaos – it is ordered in some manner or other. Thus we are ever creating hierarchies in our lives, even without knowing that we’re doing that. Class distinctions in America, of all places, have never disappeared. We label them, excoriate them, but, still, they persist. They are, in a deformed sense, “echoes” of structures that really do exist.

    It was St. Dionysius who invented the word “hierarchy.” It is not seen in Greek literature prior to the 5th or 6th century. For St. Dionysius, “hierarchy” had very much the meaning of “holy order” – and was pretty much synonymous with “Liturgy.” In the Liturgy, we see revealed to us the heavenly patterns. Thus we sing,

    Let us who in mystically represent the Cherubim
    and sing the thrice-holy hymn to the life-giving Trinity,
    now lay aside all earthly cares. Amen.
    That we may receive the King of All,
    who comes invisibly upborne by the angelic hosts. Alleluia.

    The whole of the Liturgy is a showing forth of the heavenly pattern (the meaning of hierarchy). The true hierarchy of all things is manifest in love. This is not a “top-down” oppressive sort of thing. Indeed, Christ reveals to us in that first “liturgy” on Holy Thursday that He is the servant of all as He washes the disciples’ feet and tells them to do the same.

    It is love that makes each of us to be servants of all and sets us in the “holy order” of God’s manifest will. When I love and serve, setting the other above me, then we see hierarchy made manifest.

    Modernity rebels against this and makes its “order” to be that of egalitarianism. In that sense, it is demonic. Rather than be ruled by love, we seek to be ruled by no one but ourselves. In point of fact, in our modern world, we are ruled by money. “People vote their pocketbooks,” the politicians say. It’s a sad order – a hierachy of slaves and hirelings.

    But, when the Middle Ages was not observant of love as the truth of hierarchy, it became oppressive as well, a sort of worship of power. Most of the wars in the Middle Ages were simply kings battling one another (through their armies) for power. It was simply sinful.

    So, to see the hierarchy of our present world at work in our lives, we can ask the question, “Whom do I love?” or “”Who loves me?” etc.

    BTW, I love the movie, “The Island.”

  8. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen. Your response to Rob has helped me a lot.

    I did some reading a few days ago about Tsarist Russia. From my viewpoint,
    the social hierarchy at that time and in that place was very corrupt – so much
    so that the aristocratic elite held over 80% of the population in abject poverty.
    It´s what apparently lead to the Bolshevik Revolution. I could of course say similar things about the corruption of social hierarchy in the west during the Middle Ages. In both scenarios, the Church played a significant role. I am greatly puzzled at how those cultures so entrenched in Christian religion could not produce social hierachies which lived the commands of Christ writ large. I will end by saying the egalitarianism of modernity is a knee jerk reaction to these kinds of hierarchies (I think) and offers no more hope and love than its predecessors.

    Lord have mercy.

  9. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    The history of Russia is deeply marked by tragedy. The great sufferings under the Tartars sets the scene for a brutality that marked many aspects of early Tsarist Russia. It is a prelude that must be borne in mind. There is a wide range of experience in the Russian middle ages – one whose reality is often obscured by the great sufferings and political upheavals that marked it as well.

    The Church plays a “significant role” no doubt. It’s also a subject that requires a depth of reading and not just a survey. Within the life of that Church many saints of outstanding character are produced – as well as corruption and betrayal.

    You said: “I am greatly puzzled at how those cultures so entrenched in Christian religion could not produce social hierachies which lived the commands of Christ writ large.”

    I would suggest that you have a somewhat naive approach to how political life works. How civilizing was the influence of the Church on a barbaric society? East and West – we’re talking about barbarians in the strongest sense of the word. Godly rulers have ever been a rare item in all of human history. Ancient Israel is an example. Rome is an example. Everything, including our “civilized” modern world is an example. How does such an advanced society as ours produce greedy, lying, corrupt regimes pretty much everywhere? Modernity’s democracy, as often as not, yields the situation of going to the polls with a sense that you hate all the choices.

    What I would suggest is that we be very honest without ourselves about how corruption occurs in our own life, and take the lessons of history to heart. Christ gave us the Church as His Body, the means of dwelling in our midst and uniting of to Him. He did not give us a means for civilizing the world and making a better world, or perfecting the political order. The Church is ever a life in exile, a pilgrim existence.

    Modernity’s greatest success is in its propaganda in which it hides its corruption under many guises.

    The problem of evil is relatively easy to explain. It’s the problem of good that’s so difficult. How does the Church still produce incredible holiness even in corrupt settings? How has it not passed away into corruption so deep that it is obliterated?

    I think that what we see is utterly in line with what Christ told us about the future. No surprises.

  10. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    BTW, “abject poverty” is probably not quite correct. Peasants and serfs probably had enough to eat (except for famines) and lived the life of scratch farmers through the ages. It’s only with the advent of machinery that much of a middle-class (or the means to create it) comes about at any place and time. In England, it wasn’t until the machine age that starving masses, unemployed, filled the cities. The beginning of a middle class were also the beginnings of a starving unemployed population beneath them. And, of course, despite unparalleled weath at the present time, we still have poverty.

    Dickens’ England may have been a worse place to live than Tsarist Russia – at least for some. It is one of the reasons that the West feared the Bolshevik revolution more than anything – abject poverty creations revolutions. It is modernity’s beginning in Russia that produced displaced unemployed people in the cities of Russia rather than Tsarist oppression.

    Read about the Enclosure Movement and its social/economic impact in England to get a picture of how modernity generated abject poverty. And then, I would not project that back into the Middle Ages.

    The world is messy.

  11. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

    I am familiar with the Enclosure Movement and agree with your thoughts. That said, I don´t think one needs a Russian history sophistication to be able to glean that aristocrats ate wild game and had parties on their country estates while serfs and peasants suffered even prior to the industrial age. It did not only happen in Tsarist Russia or Dickens´ England – in a real sense it still happens in our civilized modern world. Am I just as complicit when I eat in my large dining room a roasted duck during the holidays? I think yes.

    I also agree with your thoughts about the Church´s ability to produce saints in all times – even in times of great corruption. It´s what still gives me hope! – but – while I know the Church (East and West) is not about perfecting the political order or making the world a better place, I deeply believe the more commands-of-Christ saints that are produced the more Christ-like the world should look – including to some extent its governing structures.

    I´m not blind though. This is all complicated stuff and it doesn´t always work out the way it should in real time even when the Church is involved. I live in a part of the world where a fair amount Christians like to say the west deserves to be the moral voice for the globe because of its Christian heritage. Really?? While I am thankful for what I have received in the west over the years, I also know that the west hasn´t been the most Christian in all that it has done throughout its history. I suppose this is simply the tragic and sad story of the game of empire – a game the Church only ever loses when it gets involved.

    The world is a messy place Fr. Stephen. I agree with you. If it wasn´t for God I´d have no hope at all. Lord have mercy.

  12. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Of course, being a serf or a peasant was hard. The life of most people throughout all time has been hard. As you note.

    I think that the Biblical complaint viz. evil rulers (cf. Amos) is a valid complaint against injustice. Ought those who have assumed power in our world to do justice? Of course they should. Do they, only occasionally. One American comedian in the 20th century once said, “If voting were able to change anything they wouldn’t let us do it.” It’s more true than we want to think.

    But given that the Church is quite voluntary – and always has been – (you can tune it out whenever you want even if you’re attending regularly) – how does it have “power” to change the world? St. Augustine said, “There’s many whom the Church has whom God has not, and many whom God has whom the Church has not.”

    Modernity is a myth – about itself and about its predecessors. It has made us to believe that the political work of the state is the path to a just society. It’s not true. But, that doesn’t keep modernity from praising itself and belittling what came before, as if that were actually true.

    There is the quiet slaughter of millions upon millions of unborn children currently propping up the false lifestyles of modern Western cultures. It is hidden by language and politics. It is a holocaust that transcends anything in history.

    If Christ completed His earthly ministry with a few hundred or so disciples, how is it we expect the Church to change the world? Where is such change ever predicted in the Scriptures? We are warned of increasingly difficult and evil times. And we are told that we will be persecuted and die. Why do we imagine it should be a different story? Who told us that story?

  13. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen … incredibly enlightening discussion. So much to think and pray about.

    Thanks so much as always.

  14. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    “If voting were able to change anything they wouldn’t let us do it.”

    HILARIOUS!

  15. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    To pull the discussion back to the topic of the post… It’s not economic justice that is at issue. Modernity has created far more wealth and prosperity than anything in all of history. There’s no argument about that. It is, perhaps, something we do not see that I am describing in the article, of which the Medieval period is but a single example.

    The term “anomie,” a sort of “lostness” in the language of sociology that I am describing. In Orthodox terms, we would describe it as acedia (“listlessness”). The lack of boundaries, place markers, points of belonging, are often lost to us. We are “self-defining” people which is almost an oxymoron. We are without a village, often without a family, with frequent job-changes, morphing careers, shifting religious alliances, etc. We lack the stability that is important for human life. Imagine, for a while in certain places, children are being told that even a gender identity is unstable! Some even suggest that we can be a different species. This is modernity on steroids.

    So, the question for us has to do with boundaries that may not always be visible. The Tradition focuses on heavenly hierarchies (rather than the hierarchies of the culture). It has to do with our place within creation itself. That is the most fruitful direction for conversation.

  16. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    There are some brave and holy souls who linger over the Cup long enough to drink a proper draft. It is done in order to get past the things for which we give thanks and to find the Giver Himself.

    Today there were things for which I would and did find thanks. But these words, Father, reveal the truth of our existence and proper approach to personhood. Go downward, deeper, into the fiery Cup. Give thanks for all things.

    Sometimes I fear the Fire and want to avoid the pain of the Cross. I don’t want to linger over the Cup voluntarily. Yet the Lord makes my life path what it is (thank God for His mercy), despite my reticence (again, thank God for His mercy).

  17. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Father,
    I’ve been having a lot of difficulty maintaining certain boundaries in situations I’ve been in of late. This article reveals why I might have such ongoing issues; it may well be a cultural (modernist) issue I’m experiencing without fully realizing it. This is a revelation to me, and I’m also surprised it hadn’t occurred to me before, since I know about modernity but not necessarily how it plays out in terms of maintaining boundaries in everyday life.

  18. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    This article also speaks to the reaction some people have when they are told they cannot receive the Cup (in the Orthodox Divine Liturgy) because they are not in communion. As I understand it, their reaction is due to the belief that since they consider themselves Christian they are entitled to receive the Eucharist.

    It’s a thought I never really understood. Perhaps I find it difficult to understand because I didn’t approach the Church as though it were my property. Somehow I understood the boundary. Or perhaps because I made a boundary between myself and all of Christianity for so long that the idea of crossing it ‘at will’ seemed untenable.

  19. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Please forgive me for making a correction: I don’t think I actually understood the boundaries of the Church when I first entered the Orthodox Church. But I discerned their presence and respected them.

  20. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks again Fr. Stephen.

    I agree with the need for borders; for guard rails; for fences even.

    I think of my nieces and nephews who grew up in totally free, self-oriented environments. Almost nothing is taboo in their world and they can do most anything (or not do anything) they choose.

    I think the kind of child rearing my family did with their children was a knee jerk reaction to the conservative Christian cultures they themselves were raised in. They felt morally suffocated and didn´t want the same feeling to permeate the lives of their own kids. I get it. I really do.

    That said, I can´t help but feel like they set their kids (most of whom are adults now) up for failure in life. Kids want boundaries I think. They desire to be taught lovingly what is right and wrong. Without such teaching, I would think that although they might feel extremely emancipated they might also feel very, very lost.

    I say all this as a man who has no children and has no idea about the complications which arise when raising a family.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee, Matthew,
    Boundaries are essential to humility. Technically, shame is a body-signal that tells us there is a boundary. Moses comes to Mt. Sinai and the burning bush. The voice of God tells him that he is on holy ground and needs to remove his shoes. If you will, the ground is holy because he stands in the presence of God, and his feet (representing the whole of him) should be naked. Nothing should come between him and the Presence. He was drawn by curiosity (which can be nothing more than the ego seeking pleasure). Now he sees and knows there is a boundary. Only humility (bearing a little shame) can approach it. The boundary is internalized and he is willing to be there – to stand there barefoot.

    Isaiah has a vision and sees the Lord seated in the Temple, with Seraphim surrounding Him. Isaiah is aware of a boundary – and identifies it as his own unclean lips. The uncleanness (lying and blasphemous speech) hides him. He cries out, “Woe is me…etc.” And a Seraphim takes a coal from the altar and touches Isaiah’s lips. So, a priest says to the congregation after he has communed them: “Lo, this coal of fire has touched your lips, and shall take away your iniquities, and cleanse you from all sin.” We see ourselves in Isaiah, and join him in his humility (bearing a little shame) before God.

    We cannot see (know) God without humility. “He resists the proud.” The shame of humility is a recognition of a boundary – the very presence of God. In truth, we cannot know any person without humility. Children instinctively have some amount of humility and parenting includes recognizing it, and supporting and nurturing it in a manner that does not smother them nor alienate them from this inner sense. It’s never easy, and we always get it wrong to some extent.

    The perfect humility and meekness of the Mother of God is another possible example.

    Prayer (particularly with thanksgiving – “thanksgiving is humility in the active voice”) is the daily or moment-by-moment standing in the presence of God and knowing Him. It is a coal of fire, cleansing us from all sin.

  22. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I still struggle with what you mean when you speak of shame Fr. Stephen.

    What shame did Moses feel? Isaiah? Children in general? What shame should I feel?

    I think children in today´s world are being taught that any form of “shame bearing” is a bad thing – something negative which comes from western religion.

    You seem to be saying that shame is a good thing which leads to humility and humility is the key to knowing God.

    I admit, I still have not read your book.

  23. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Father,
    With your response to Matthew and I it seems to me that the reason that people would object to not receiving the Eucharist is because they refuse the humility of the stance that they would need to take that they are not entitled. In short they are not humble before God?

  24. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Reading the book would be helpful for you, I think. Here’s an article that might be useful in the short run. But the demonizing of shame these days is ignorant and damaging. Shame is utterly natural though it is uncomfortable – it is called the “unbearable emotion” by some clinicians. It has a healthy form and it has a toxic form. I think it’s the experience of toxic shame that is used to pain all shame as bad. Again, this is just ignorance disguised as sensitivity. Typical for late modernity.

    Humility is best understood as the ability to “bear a little shame” (the phrase comes from St. Sophrony of Essex). Moses would have felt healthy shame, a sort of intense embarrassment, when told that the ground on which he was standing was “holy ground.” Because – he himself was not holy. In the presence of God, none of us are holy. Another form of healthy shame is the experience of awe. If you cannot bear a little shame, you will likely be unable to experience awe. Worship requires this sort of humility in us.

    One of the problems of modern Christianity is its democratizing tendencies – no awe, no embarrassment, no shame. But that also means no majesty, no presence of God, no holiness, just a flat everybody’s the same, everybody’s equal, everybody can do anything, go anywhere, etc.

    Some cannot bear the fact that women cannot be priests (and they think the Church is wrong). Ultimately none of us can be God, though in our culture, we all want to be.

    Boundaries are interruptions that bring us up short (in some manner). It can be quite healthy when it is true, when it is not hostile, when it does not seek to denigrate or harm. God “hides” Himself from us (after a fashion) because if He did not, we could not bear it. He “emptied Himself” and “took human form” (Phil 2), so that we could see Him, hear Him, touch Him, eat and drink Him, have communion with Him in a way that we can bear.

    However, to truly know Him will take us beyond the most comfortable boundaries and into deeper places. Peter, James, and John could only see the glory of God in the Transfiguration to a limited degree (and still they didn’t understand).

    I believe that shame is something essential to understanding who we are and how we work. Our ignorance in this creates many problems for us. It’s why I wrote – because I found it tremendously helpful.

    The distinction between healthy shame and toxic shame is a very key part of this – but more than I can put in a comment.

  25. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    We want a religion with no boundaries. We cannot bear the shame (even the healthy stuff). It’s deeply ironic that in the name of no shame, those who have pushed a sort of “woke” construct on everyone else, do so through the instrument of shaming those who disagree. They label those who disagree with them and seek to exclude them, de-platform them, etc.

    When I first visited an Orthodox Church (as an Episcopal priest), not being able to approach the Cup, nor to even enter the altar area, were key signals that said to me, “You are not Orthodox.” Had those boundaries not been there, then being Orthodox would be meaningless – just something to do when I felt in a Byzantine mood. Again, modernity’s democratization has created a culture of narcissists.

  26. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much again Fr. Stephen.

    I think I am beginning to understand things a bit more regarding shame, humility and the importance of healthy boundaries.

    Regarding boundaries:

    I was reminded of my past Christian life. A time when we were allowed to bring coffee and other drinks into the sanctuary. A time when we belittled other church traditions for their lack of the Spirit. A time when the music was loud and Jesus was referred to by some as “my buddy”.

    While I felt a sense of freedom in those spaces as well as spiritual experience – I cannot help but think there was a real lack of reverence permeating it all. In our effort to break down the walls; to live a “ripped temple veil life”; to remove all obstacles in the way of the heart of the Father – something was lost I fear.

    Maybe humility? Maybe healthy shame?

  27. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Thank you, Father Stephen, for your rich and deeply meaningful article ! It brings me joy to read it, as it awakens and confirms certain intuitions and thoughts — it is truly stimulating !
    The trouble with words like ‘boundary’, ‘shame’, ‘limit’ and ‘hierarchy’ is that they are often conceived and experienced solely within the realm of our psychology, lacking the breath of grace — that spiritual insight which opens and expands our perceptions and very thoughts, allowing us to sense and experience these realities in a completely different and far richer way.
    “It is love that makes each of us the servant of all and places us within the sacred order of God’s manifest will. When I love and serve, placing the other above myself, then hierarchy reveals itself.” Glory to God !
    Is it not divine love that makes it possible to experience this with such intensity ? I am reminded of Saint Sophrony of Essex’s “inverted pyramid,” which sobers us up, stripping away all our self-assurance, justifications, and compensatory morality.
    Indeed, it was through Saint Sophrony that I discovered the vital reality of “healthy shame” ; to speak humbly, I thank God for placing me on the path to this painful yet life-giving reality — to this specific awareness — for the truth, once revealed, becomes a source of sanctifying suffering, of true life and joy…

    “Tradition focuses on heavenly hierarchies (rather than cultural ones). It concerns our place within creation itself. This is the most fruitful path for our dialogue.” Thank you for that, Father Stephen ; and let us not forget that “The Church is a life of perpetual exile, the existence of a pilgrim.” …But ‘the gates of hell shall not prevail against it’.

    Father Stephen, what you write about the Mother of God — the Theotokos — is very beautiful and heartwarming ! Today, we celebrate her holy Protection !

    (Please forgive me if the translation is not of high quality)

  28. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Heavenly Hierarchy: So the first will be last, and the last, first

  29. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Many thanks Hélène!

  30. Nikolaos Avatar
    Nikolaos

    Matthew

    It helps thinking about boundaries to reflect on the words of the deacon inviting people to Holy Communion: “with fear of God, faith and love draw near”.

    I applied this in my relationship to my spiritual father and hope to live it in eternity. You seem to be heading this direction despite your previous experiences.

  31. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Nikolaos.

    Since returning to the Catholic Church I have become reacquainted with reverence and boundaries, though in a different way from my youth as a Catholic.

    Earlier in my life, I think I was very afraid of God (a fear that still manifests itself sadly). Evangelicalism set me free in some ways from that fear (though different fears presented themselves in time), but the reverence of God all but faded away.

    My hope is to experiences God´s love while also respecting religious boundaries.

  32. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    So often the fear I hear from others in other confessions, I think (but don’t know) is related to the Penal Substitution theology.

  33. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    That is perhaps an element of it. However, I think it is largely colored by family relationships. To hear the love of God often requires that we know the love of human beings around us. So, I think it varies. I’ve met some who grew up “cradle” Orthodox who never seemed to “find” God in that context and, instead, became Evangelical, etc. Only love can teach love. Nurturing children in the love of God is fraught with difficulties sometimes.

    I marvel many times that I never embibed a fearful, angry God image. It was certainly taught and preached in the Church of my childhood. But, we didn’t go that much. However, in my earliest memory years, I had Sunday School teachers who were kind and loving and expressed that in their actions.

    I later rejected that Church (for several serious reasons – not the least of which was the racist theories that it taught – it was a very sad time in the South). Somehow, despite a dysfunctional family life, I think I saw God as a protector and a friend. When I became an “adult” believer in my mid-teens, by the mercies of God, my thoughts were focused on Christ and the gospels. It helped to reinforce my understanding of His love.

    It wasn’t until I began to read the early Fathers that I found a satisfactory approach to the writings of the Old Testament.

  34. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Dee and Fr. Stephen,

    For years as an evangelical I had no idea what PSA even was and as a youth I didn´t understand what the Catholic Church really taught about God´s love (or salvation for that matter). I tend to agree with Fr. Stephen that in my case the fear element came (and comes) from difficult past family dynamics. A lot occurs between birth and 8 years old which greatly shapes the ego so I have read. I suppose things are even going on in the mother´s womb.

    I sometimes wonder if I actually became Orthodox if my fear issues (whether they be about God or other things) would miraculously disappear. I have been advised that such probably wouldn´t be the case. Things have gotten better over the years, though I still have my days. Don´t we all?

  35. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Fr. Stephen,

    Did the Old Testament make problems for you before you became Orthodox; before you began reading the Fathers?

  36. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Truth be told, I think I ignored the “problem.” I was not an apologist (there was no internet). As a teenager, when I became a committed, adult believer, I centered on Christ and kept my focus there. I began to read the Fathers at around age 19-20.

  37. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen,

    I think a lot of ignoring goes on when it comes to such issues. There is a lot in the Bible that is very difficult to reconcile with God’s loving essence. I am glad that over the years I have learned to read the Bible’s words through the lens of Jesus and the Church.

  38. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I started college at age 20, majoring in Greek and Latin. It consumed a lot of my thought. What I found in the “ancients” was looking and thinking about how they approached a text. It sort of simmered in my thoughts. They were not captive to many of our modern approaches. In college and seminary, I was presented with academic historical-critical studies and found them wholly unsatisfying – the stuff that just eats believers for breakfast and spits them back out. It’s just cynical.

    It drove me deeper into thinking about the Fathers. To date, the single best text I have read on how to read the Scriptures is Fr. Silviu Bunta’s The Life of Our Fathers. Hands down.

  39. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    When I became a disbeliever of Christianity it was largely due to the behavior of Christians (sinful, prejudiced and self righteous). The story they told was a combination of penal substitution and/or historical-critical treatment drove me even further away. I wanted nothing to do with any of it.

    But thank God I hung on to God through the Old Testament and Apocrypha. My life took a turn that leaned heavily into Judaic understandings, which ironically (not on purpose) was closer to the early Church theology. I never really realized this until well after my conversion to Christianity in the Orthodox Church.

  40. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen. The book sounds marvelous!

  41. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Dee.

    I am really sorry about your experiences with streams of Christianity that are not Orthodox. I hope you can find a way forward which works best for you in your thoughts and dealings with these streams. There are some really loving people in those places despite the fact that the theology is problematic.

    I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

  42. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Matthew,
    I mentioned what happened that drove me away. Nevertheless, I had a loving grandfather who was Quaker, and I mentioned before the Roman Catholic priest who prayed for me when I was hospitalized after a car accident at 17 years old. These positive experiences stuck with me and showed me that there were exceptions to the rule. But also in those days these glorious exceptions proved the rule for me that there were serious problems in Christianity. And I dare say there still is, and the Orthodox Church is not an exception. Nonetheless, it is the Body and Bride of Christ. Again ironically, the staff that the Good Shepherd used to bring me (the feral sinner that I am) into the fold, was science.

  43. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I find it marvelous how God uses all things for our salvation. His mercy endures forever!

  44. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    The Body and Bride of Christ is problematic, but it nevertheless belongs to Jesus Christ.

  45. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    If the Orthodox Church is what it says it is, then it is the Body and Bride of Christ. I would suggest that you might find that problematic (as non-Orthodox), but wanted to clarify, that it is what it means to say we are the Church. In the Nicene Creed, we confess that we believe “in One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.” The Orthodox understand that we are still the Church that wrote those words and are identical to them. I understand that there is a schism (etc.) with others – which is problematic. But the Orthodox have added no novel claims (such as papal claims) and are still the same Church.

    Ecclesiology outside of Orthodoxy is problematic. Protestantism jettisoned ecclesiology from its beginning (there were only ever plural Protestantisms). That the Church is “One” is a matter agreed upon by both Orthodox and Roman Catholics. We have no disagreement about the meaning of the word “One.” Protestants have tried to re-define the word. But, I think that agreement about that word is what makes genuine conversation and dialog about the Church possible.

    I resist the temptation to re-define “One.” We have a problem, but not with the One. The problem is our sin. History makes some sins very messy.

    Just my two cents here as the Orthodox moderator.

  46. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I will take what you say under advisement Fr. Stephen. Thank you.

    That said it is also important to note that Catholics have their arguments and apologists as well – but I am certain you know this.

    I will do my best to refrain from writing about ecumenical topics in this space. It gets us nowhere.

  47. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    It gets us nowhere because (from my perspective) it would require using language and saying things that violate an Orthodox conscience. It is what it is. Refraining from ecumenical topics would seem to make sense – it avoids rubbing salt in the wounds (mine and yours).

  48. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Indeed, Father, His mercy endureth forever. Glory to God for His patience with me, the lost sheep.

  49. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Fr. Stephen, I waited for a new post to post my thoughts here. I want to contribute but I also wanted the attention of others to be pointed elsewhere before I shared.

    Boundaries and hierarchies are the key to all life. Biological life would cease without boundaries and hierarchies. You couldn’t walk down the street without them. The brain has several boundary layers to protect it, and even though its neural architecture is highly modular and distributed it is nonetheless very hierarchical. We like the democratization of distributed modularity, but resist the boundaries and hierarchies that make distributed modularity meaningful.

    We resist boundaries because of the shame that comes with feeling excluded. It is akin to being the last person picked for a team in PE. People with trauma may really collide with the idea of boundaries and hierarchies within the Church because they were betrayed and abused by power. Abuse in its most fundamental form is boundary violation by someone with power. The outcomes of trauma follow predictable trajectories. Some people erect boundaries that isolate themselves from others in order to reduce their sense of vulnerability. Others throw off all sense of boundaries in order to democratize relationships which is also a response to vulnerability. Both are annoying and bad news. Both are unhealthy ways of dealing with shame (healthy boundaries). Evidently, I am autobiographizing on the blog.

    Even to this day Orthodoxy seems more like it is telling me what I am not rather than what I am. I just take that to be trauma. It’s hard, but there is no tabula rasa, we all show up with stuff.

    I don’t have any answers, but I can say with confidence that without boundaries and sensible hierarchies, life itself is an impossibility.

  50. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    Absolutely! Glad you’ve shared these thoughts. It is thinking about boundaries, and all that they entail when healthy, that help me see and understand the nature of trauma itself (especially emotional trauma). That, in turn, has slowly helped me to work on a few important things in my life and to be of some use to others.

    A very striking thing for me, in looking at Christ, is to see how carefully He observed boundaries. The Mother of God is perhaps my favorite example.

    God give us grace and some measure of healing!

  51. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    I think of instances where Jesus is unassuming highlights his regard for boundaries. “Who do you say I am?”, “What do you want me to do for you?”, and on several instances Jesus says, “What do you think…?” That is very unassuming. He leaves space for the person to fill, to respond, and to express themselves. It is inviting. It is not unlike the “NOT” that exists between the members of the Trinity.

    I try to remember all this with respect to my son, to give his personhood space.

  52. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Father Stephen (and Simon),

    How does this interplay with the icon of the descent into Hades, with Christ holding Adam and Eve by their wrists? “Drag me to paradise; save me whether I want it or not.” I recall previous discussions on this topic and somehow it always rings a warning bell. It’s as if saving a broken will almost requires violating a boundary.

    It would be a terrible world if I must be strong enough to choose my own salvation. But it would be more terrifying if unity is forced.

    I hope it’s alright that I jump in – I know Simon was waiting specifically. But I’ve been considering this topic, and somehow Simon’s post helped crystallize the question.

  53. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    There is also a very scandalous Orthodox morning prayer (somewhere or other) that has the phrase, “Save me whether I want to or not.” First, it’s poetic language, not careful dogma. However, it expresses the strange aspect, even paradox of the will, in which we sometimes “want” and “don’t want” at the same time. The will is a messy thing. But, I do not think there is an intention to express a violation of true boundaries.

    The iconic depiction of Christ taking Adam and Eve by their wrists is not a depiction of being saved contrary to their will, but being saved despite their weakness. It says that even if we are not strong enough to make that choice – He is able. But to say “but not contrary to my will” remains, at least on some level.

    I recall in CS Lewis’ The Great Divorce, the woman who seems to be nothing more than a grumble. There is the image of whether there is any of “her” left or has she become nothing more than a grumble. We’re told that if there remains even the tiniest “coal” of person left in her, that the angels will carefully tend it and blow on it until it kindles a fire and she is restored. They add ominously, “But if there is nothing there, they’ll not keep blowing ashes in their faces…”

    What I take from such images and thoughts is the reminder that God is utterly for the salvation and healing of all. We do not have to fight God for our salvation. It is the case that we are saved (boundaries and all) despite our weakness. What remains, however, is some level of freedom, of inviolate boundaries. We say that such freedom carries the danger of hell itself which is, I think, a necessary expression. In truth, we do not know the final outcome of an utterly rebellious freedom – it belongs to something hidden in God. A freedom with no consequence is not freedom at all – its boundaries only an illusion. We are left with an unsolved mystery – though one in which the utter commitment of love on the part of God remains. We have seen that demonstrated without reserve in the crucifixion of Christ. He has done all and will do all to save.

    St. Gregory the Theologian, when musing about a similar unsolvable mystery said, “At the end of the matter there is a great silence.”

    Did I answer the question?

  54. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    Imagine what it means that the God of the universe engages us in a conversation, even waits for our answer, even if the answer is silly, wrong, or ignorant. It is love. Love listens. It is the sound of “you matter.” St. John the Baptist says of Christ, “A bruised reed he will not break, a dimily burning wick he will not quench.” Some days my reed is so bruised that the slightest bump would send it into fragments, and the flame of my candle is flickering.

    I will share a small miracle from the early days of St. Anne in Oak Ridge. We were meeting in the store-front, warren of rooms at the mall (next door to JC Penny’s). There were no windows. In some services, when the lights were off, only the soft glow of the oil lamps and candles remained. We had a Russian member, a young woman married to a physicist, with a child. She had a deep, simple devotion. I can’t remember what the service was, but she reported to me after the service having seen the oil lamp before the icon of St. John the Baptist go out. She said it remained that way for quite some time. However, near the end of the service it re-lit.

    She asked me, “Was that a miracle?” I said, “Yes.” And we did not discuss it. I did not report it to the parish. I just let it be. But, thereafter, I had quiet conversations with St. John before that icon about many things. He became ever after a saint who is paying attention.

    A dimly burning wick…maybe even a wick that has gone out. There is, after all, resurrection from the dead.

  55. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Father Stephen,

    Thank you, I’ll reflect on it. It particularly calls to mind an interesting discussion under this post: https://glory2godforallthings.com/2021/02/01/does-goodness-require-the-possiblity-of-evil/

    There, you explicitly state that freedom does *not* require the possibility of evil.

    I think, in all this, Christ’s descent into Hades, and the Crucifixion, is the key to all things. I suspect it would take a lifetime of living in that Mystery to even half understand anything.

  56. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Margaret,

    Thinking about your question reminded me of the father who approached Christ with an enormous burden and Christ said “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes” and the father cried out “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!” This is the heart of many things in Orthodoxy.

    Which is easier to say? “Save me in spite of myself” or “Lord, have mercy”?

  57. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Simon,
    Yes, and amen! I suppose that we ask, “Who is speaking?” when it is said, “Save me in spite of myself.” Of course, it is ourself who speaks – but the “in spite of myself” recognizes the ambiguity of our existence, and the will. Too many discussions that involve the human will take into account the complexity of our experience. So, I say, “Lord, have mercy!”

  58. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Fr. Stephen, I agree. Romans 7 makes clear the utter ambiguity and complexity of the human will in our present condition when the Apostle says (twice) “It is no longer I who do it.” Do we really stop to think about what the apostle is saying? Does he really mean “it is no longer I that does it”? I think he does. Think about what “Lord, have mercy on me” means in that context.

    Presently, we may experience gaping disruptions and disturbances within ourselves: tragic fragmentations and instabilities. It is interesting how Paul puts it, “I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind (nous) and making me captive to the law of sin which dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?”

    Death is the force(?) that dis-integrates the human person and leads us inexorably to a sense of conflict within ourselves.

    Death is all around us today. Not just in the fact that we die. Maybe that is the least of our concerns. Look at society. Have human beings ever been more fragmented, more unstable than they are today?

  59. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Simon, Father Stephen,

    This brings to mind a favorite passage in Lewis’s Pilgrim’s Regress:

    “‘I ought but I do not wish’ – how meaningless the words are, how close to saying ‘I want and I do not want.’ But once we have learned to say “I, and yet not I, want,” the mystery is plain.”

    Though still, there is that deep and painful question – is the freedom worth the anguish, the meaningless suffering? It doesn’t seem that way, and I shudder to think that I could possibly believe it to be so. And yet we’re still caught in a place where freedom carries that possibility of hell, but doesn’t intrinsically have to do so in order to be freedom. It can be very difficult to understand how God is not responsible, at least indirectly, for suffering and evil. Could we say that, on the Cross, God *made himself responsible* (or at least responsive) for suffering and evil?

  60. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    On the Cross, He certainly didn’t exempt Himself from the consequences of evil. Given that the “Lamb was crucified from before the ages…” I think we must understand that the first “victim” of evil was God Himself. I think it becomes problematic when we insert the question of necessity into such discussions. There is no necessity (something greater than God to which God submits). Instead, I think there is a purpose within the love of God that is at work in all things, in spite of all things. I believe the mystery of that purpose is found in the love of God, though I’ve never found a satisfactory “rational” explanation. I’m pretty leery of those who imagine that they have found such a thing. I have found God in the face of Jesus Christ and find it persuasive, despite every question I have. It has consumed me and made my life both bearable and possible.

  61. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    I believe that when all is said and done, no suffering will have been meaningless. The suffering of Christ on the Cross gathers all suffering within itself – making all suffering the suffering of Christ – and – in the light of Pascha – that suffering is somehow the meaning of all things. This expresses my deep heart in the matter.

  62. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Father Stephen,

    Thank you. I’ll ruminate on this.

    I think the “non-necessity” of love can often be distorted: “God didn’t have to save you, he did it just for you, so you’re obliged to be grateful and forever in debt!” Perhaps it’s just a gut-reaction of pride to dislike this idea, but there is something decidedly “off” about it, as if God is like a pet-owner who could starve his pet, but just decides not to because of his own free choice.

    To be clear, I do not think this distortion is at all what you’re saying. But it could be why many people rush to insist that God is required by his very nature to love and save his creation.

    Sometimes I think most troubling concepts come down to an inadequate perception of causality. The modern notion is very sell-able, but not very satisfying. It doesn’t change us. On the Cross there may be found the Cause that’s truly transformative.

  63. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    Thanksgiving as obligation is an oxymoron. It is only as a free gift, freely given that it is thanksgiving at all. Again, I don’t think it’s appropriate to speak of God’s nature as imposing necessity. What I think is, forgive me, there’s a lot of poorly stated, poorly thought out “theology” or “apologetics” out there that is a far worse problem than any of the questions.

    I once coined the phrase that God “causelessly causes,” to try and express the character of His causation. It gets us out of the billiard ball kind of thinking that’s rather typical in modern speech/thought.

    I agree that it’s in the Cross that we best spend our meditative time.

  64. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    I think that anytime a transactional notion is introduced to our relationship with God – it’s a serious distortion. So many of the parables seem to revolve around debt – and its forgiveness. It ties into the Sabbath Law in the OT where debts are cancelled. Modernity is built on debt and transactions. It creeps in everywhere.

  65. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Father,

    Thank you for your replies, and your patience. I’ve been thinking them over. I particularly appreciate your emphasis on the non-transactional nature of salvation.

    Forgive my persistence and density, but frankly I’m still struggling with these two seemingly conflicting ideas that you have expressed at one time or another:

    “We say that such freedom carries the danger of hell itself which is, I think, a necessary expression.”

    “I have long (maybe always) been dissatisfied with the explanation that freedom requires the ability to choose evil.”

    Am I overlooking something obvious? Or is there a contradiction here that is part of the mystery?

  66. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    The problem is probably with my poor expressions – after all, different articles at different times can mean that I’m wrestling with two different things (or something like that).

    I want to say that God respects our boundaries – I say that because, at some level, a boundary is an essential aspect of personhood. I do not want to speak of salvation as something forced on us. So, in that sense – the first statement struggles to express this – though I do not think it’s necessary to speak of hell as an eternal choice. Hell is a verbal place-holder for “saying no” to God, not a place of punishment.

    There’s some problems with expressing it like that. It (hell) could also be described as the hatred of love. That follows the teaching of some of the Fathers that hell is nothing other than God Himself – but experienced as fire rather than light. (This is terribly metaphorical). In that model, the emphasis is on our inner state. We’re “free” to hate God (Love), but Love abides and we experience it as torment. This is the teaching found in the article (not by me) called The River of Fire.

    As to the other statement – freedom remains freedom, even as it chooses between two goods.

    The contradictions, I think, are driven by the images we use to illustrate or construct our thought (my thought). Also, there’s probably some contradiction within me. The stable things in this (for me) are personhood, both with freedom, and with boundaries-to-be-respected, and the love of God. Those two things are the “constants.”

    It is quite possible that the right way to express this is beyond my understanding or competence, though I feel certain (or committed) about personhood and the love of God. Both are foundational teachings of the Orthodox faith – and what I see and understand of Jesus.

    But these things (eternal things) are beyond our experience, we’re talking about something that exists or takes place in a future state. So, we’re speculating on some level. In this life, within the realm of our competence, I have seen that the love of God is consistent and steady – this I believe. I have also seen that God respects our boundaries, our personhood, even when we’re making bad choices. I have seen people “choose” their own personal “hell” – refusing love in some perverted sense. What I can’t say is that I know for certain how that extends beyond death.

    Some folks (universalists) draw conclusions based on certain assumptions or extrapolations. I respect them, but I can’t join them for a particular reason: it says more than I can know, and I think the uncertainty, or mystery serves some sort of purpose in my life (our lives) that is important.

    There are others who insist that there is an eternal hell that some choose, based on their understanding of the Church’s teaching. I’m uncertain of that conclusion on their part. I prefer the reasoning of the late Met. Kallistos Ware in his article “Dare We Hope for the Salvation of All.” Here’s a pertinent excerpt:

    “If the strongest argument in favor of universal salvation is the appeal to divine love, and if the strongest argument on the opposite side is the appeal to human freedom, then we are brought back to the dilemma with which we started: how are we to bring into concord the two principles God is love and Human beings are free? For the time being we cannot do more than hold fast with equal firmness to both principles at once, while admitting that the manner of their ultimate harmonization remains a mystery beyond our present comprehension. What St Paul said about the reconciliation of Christianity and Judaism is applicable also to the final reconciliation of the total creation: “O the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and how inscrutable His ways!” (Rom 11:33).

    When I am waiting at Oxford Station for the train to London, sometimes I walk up to the northernmost stretch of the long platform until I reach a notice: “Passengers must not proceed beyond this point. Penalty: £50.” In discussion of the future hope, we need a similar notice: “Theologians must not proceed beyond this point”—Let my readers devise a suitable penalty. Doubtless, Origen’s mistake was that he tried to say too much. It is a fault that I admire rather than execrate, but it was a mistake nonetheless.

    Our belief in human freedom means that we have no right to categorically affirm, “All must be saved.” But our faith in God’s love makes us dare to hope that all will be saved.

    Is there anybody there? said the traveler,

    Knocking on the moonlit door.

    Hell exists as a possibility because free will exists. Yet, trusting in the inexhaustible attractiveness of God’s love, we venture to express the hope—it is no more than a hope—that in the end, like Walter de la Mare’s Traveller, we shall find that there is nobody there. Let us leave the last word, then, with St Silouan of Mount Athos: ‘Love could not bear that… We must pray for all’.”

    I think you rightly hear echoes of this in my speculations. It’s where I live, standing in front of that sign at the end of the train platform.

  67. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    Just a further thought or musing…

    One of the deepest expressions of the mystery of personhood and freedom comes in motherhood – the Theotokos being the perfect example. There is a freedom, a “yes,” to a kind of life in which her existence becomes something of a shared existence. She is not “lost” of overwhelmed, but there is not an absolute autonomy if the child is to live. It is her life as giver and receiver, and His life as receiver (and giver). It is, I believe, one of the purest expressions of love that we know – and it is acted out over and over in mothers throughout history (acknowledging that there have been circumstances where no “yes” existed in its beginning). It is something to be thought about as we wrestle with the conundrum of love.

  68. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Margaret Sarah,
    (As I continue thinking out loud…)
    Perhaps motherhood is the best model in thinking about this. Love does not destroy our personhood, but it always involves a sort of voluntary gift and offering of self (the sacrifice of utter autonomy) such that existing as a true person is always less than autonomous, always a sacrifice of freedom. It would also suggest that in creating, God willingly enters into a sort of sacrifice of His own freedom (in some sense), in that He has united Himself to His creation – it cost Him death.

    I go back to the Cross (as you mentioned earlier). The Cross is inscribed in the womb of Mary (and in the womb of every woman). It is a question for men as well. To say, “I love you,” is to take you into my womb (there’s a metaphor!) and bear the consequences of that new existence that is the fullest expression of personhood.

    God says in Genesis, “It is not good for the man to be alone.” An autonomous existence is “less than good.” It is only love, with all its consequences that gives us the fullness of personhood. We mutually indwell one another – and this is the true nature of life, the true nature of heaven. Less than that is “not good.” The “not good” is a movement towards hell. The invitation and possibility of heaven is a movement towards that mutual indwelling.

    Another such image is that of marriage.

  69. Dee of Sts Herman and Olga Avatar
    Dee of Sts Herman and Olga

    Father thank you for this wonderful explanation to Margaret Sarah.—A benefit to all of us!

  70. Margaret Sarah Avatar
    Margaret Sarah

    Oh, my. Thank you! This is so much, so much to ponder. I find it curious that you used motherhood as your primary example rather than fatherhood, for while both roles take a great deal of self-sacrifice, the father seems to have more of a “voluntary” sacrifice while motherhood’s sacrifice is more in-baked (physically, at the very least). Nonetheless, I somehow feel motherhood fits your point far better.

    I will be traveling to Essex next week, and hope to be able to visit the monastery there. It should be a good place to ponder this, I think.

    Thank you again.

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