Abraham at the End of the World

This is an exercise in the Orthodox reading of the Scriptures. My thoughts frequently return to this story and this line of thought. This article is greatly expanded from an earlier version.

The habits of modern Christians run towards history: it is a lens through which we see the world. We see a world of cause and effect, and, because the past is older than the present, we look to the past to find the source of our present. Some cultures have longer memories than others (America’s memory usually extends only to the beginning of the present news cycle). This same habit of mind governs the reading of Scripture. For many, the Scriptures are a divinely inspired account of the history of God’s people. That history is read as history, believed as history, and applied to the present by drawing out the lessons of history. Any challenge to the historical character of an account is seen, therefore, as an assault on the authority and integrity of the Scriptures themselves. But this radical historicization of the Scriptures is relatively new: there are other ways of reading that often reveal far more content of the mystery of God. There is an excellent example in St. Paul’s letter to the Galatians. He establishes a point of doctrine through an allegorical or typological reading of the story of Sarah and Hagar. We might ask, “How can you say that Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia? Where did you get all this?”

His points are clearly not found within the historical account. Their meaning lies in the shape of the story itself, Christ’s Pascha being the primary interpretative element. Christ is the Child of Promise, the first-born son who is offered, and the ram who replaced him. Abraham’s efforts to create his own version of a fulfilled covenant (having a child by Hagar), is thus seen as unfaithfulness, the rejection of Christ.

I am here offering a similar meditation on the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah – a non-historical reading that offers insight into the mystery of Christ and the way of salvation.

Remove Sodom and Gomorrah from the realm of historical speculation. Instead see with me, Genesis 18 as a parable of the end of the age (which includes our time as well). For, as Christ Himself notes, the end of the age will be “like the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.”  God appears to Abraham as three angels (the account moves strangely between singular and plural references – the Fathers saw this as a foreshadowing of the Trinity). In the course of His visit God speaks:

“Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” And the LORD said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD.

Abraham’s intercession for Sodom and Gomorrah begins:

And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” Then Abraham answered and said, “Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?” So He said, “If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it.” (Gen 18:17-28)

The conversation continues until the Lord promises to spare the cities even if only ten righteous are found.

The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are the world in which we live. They are very similar to the description of the world in the Genesis account of Noah:

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” (Gen 6:5-7)

Just as Christ compares the world of Noah to the world at the end of the age (Luke 17), so he also compares the end of the age to the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. But in the story of this Divine visitation we not only see the Trinity pre-figured, but the Church as well. There are the Oaks at Mamre, always understood as a type of the Cross. There is a Eucharistic meal, in which three loaves of bread and a calf (cf. the “fatted calf”) are prepared and set before these Divine visitors. There is also the Mother of God, prefigured in Sarah, who will bear a child even though she is beyond the years for such a thing. So, gathered there beneath the Tree, God sits down with man and sups with him (Rev. 3:20).

As the mystery continues to unfold, two of the three strangers go on towards Sodom (which represents the world in its fallen state). Historical interpreters laugh at the “primitive” character of the story when they hear God saying that He is going to Sodom to see for Himself whether what He has heard is true. But we see a deeper mystery. The Father sends the Son and the Spirit into the world for judgment:

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: (John 16:8)

Modern critics see this visit as primitive. It is more accurately seen as an expression of the inherently personal work of God. He does not see and judge us from afar, but comes among us as His own.

And we see the nature of the Church in its relationship with God. For the Lord says to Himself:

Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation…

The Church is not ignorant of God’s work in the world and His hidden purposes. Rather, He leads us into all truth (John 16:13).

But the greatest mystery in this story unfolds as Abraham takes up the priestly ministry of the Church and intercedes before God. This is by far the most astounding manifestation of the righteousness of the great Patriarch.

Though two of the angels have turned away, Abraham “stands before the Lord” (the essential work of the priesthood). And there he begins his prayers. While he prays, the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah waits – it hangs in a balance. Will the Lord spare the cities for the sake of 50 righteous? 45? 40? 30? 20? 10? It is with fear and trembling that Abraham is bold to bargain with God. It is with fear and trembling that he asks, “Will the Lord destroy the righteous with the wicked?” In this intercession, Abraham takes up the role of mediator, something that Job longed to see as recorded in the Greek translation of the Old Testament (LXX):

‘Would that our mediator were present, and a reprover, and one who should hear the cause between both.’ (Job 9:33)

The Elder Sophrony saw in this verse the description of the essential work of the priestly Christ, the very work that is given to us in our priesthood.

Abraham’s intercession reveals the very heart of the Church’s prayer. The righteous man lives side-by-side with the wicked, but he doesn’t despise them or pray for their destruction. Instead, he recognizes the coinherence and communion of all humanity – “Will the Lord destroy the righteous with the wicked?” We are with the wicked. We do not have a life apart from them, for we are with them. And this presence becomes the fulcrum for the salvation of the world. “I will be with you,” Christ promises (Matt. 28:20). Or as we remember in the services of the Church:

God is with us! Understand you nations and submit yourselves for God is with us!

It is interesting in our day and time that many Christians number themselves among those who call for the destruction of the wicked. Surrounded by evil, our fears lash out with violent thoughts. We refuse to be with the wicked. And though Abraham and Lot had gone their separate ways, Abraham didn’t set himself as being above him – nor even above the wicked who dwelt in the cities. For though his prayer is for the righteous – he pleads through them for the wicked.

This is not only the prayer of the Church, it is the ministry of the Church as well. We are called to be the righteous-with-the-wicked. Our lives in their midst are for their salvation. This principle can be extended. For the wicked is something of a relative category. Even within the Church, some of us must always admit that our lives are more like those of the wicked than the righteous. But the principle is that the wicked are always being saved by the righteous. This “pyramid of salvation” extends throughout the world up to the supreme and primary example in which Christ, the only righteous One, saves the wicked, which is us all. We are taught to pray for our enemies not as a moral requirement, but so that we might be like our heavenly Father, or in this case, like our father Abraham, who was like our heavenly Father

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: (Luke 6:35)

This patterned principle is essential to a right understanding of the faith and our life in the world. Like the account of Abraham and God in Genesis 18, the Church is a Eucharistic Community. Gathered under the healing shadow of the Cross, in union with the most Holy Mother of God, the Church shares in the banquet that is our very life. And there we learn God’s most intimate plans, and by union with His compassion, we learn to pray for the whole world and share in the mediating priesthood of Christ. This is what love looks like.

Many Orthodox services conclude with the petition: O Lord, through the prayers of our holy fathers, have mercy on us, and save us! May God number us among such holy fathers!

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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57 responses to “Abraham at the End of the World”

  1. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Father,

    I am now in the process of taking up the care of my mother in law. She’s lived a life that is now culminating in deteriorating physical health, addiction, isolation, forced eviction and the real possibility of being homeless.

    If one were to speak of purely justice operating in her life, perhaps one could say that this culmination is correct and inevitable.

    However, what I can’t help but see, again and again, is that justice is not allowed to have the final say.

    And that is mainly because there are any number of individuals in the community that are willing and capable of taking up the heavy weight of mercy and compassion.

    This process has illuminated for me the same dynamic which is encapsulated in the article you have written.

    I have never seen so clearly the nature of goodness. It is demonstrated by the willingness to take up the cross and to bear with Christ the suffering.

    The persons being borne along in this fashion may not deserve grace, but they are being carried by it simply because that is the very nature of goodness itself- it is the nature of Christ crucified.

    Thank God for this goodness, and that persons exist in this world who have aligned themselves with it. They are helping to carry the brokenness of the world, the full weight of which is on Christ.

    Is there a particular prayer that might be good to say for her at this time?

  2. Randall Avatar
    Randall

    Very helpful! Thank you, Father.

  3. Michelle Avatar
    Michelle

    Jenny,

    Forgive my intrusion.

    You might enjoy this prayer. We listen to it every morning while getting ready for work and school. It’s a good way to begin the day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjczUmMGYo

    Thank you for your prayers, Michelle

  4. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Jenny,
    There might be many such prayers. A very simple one comes to mind: Lord, in your goodness, have mercy on your handmaid _____.”

  5. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    Thank you, Michelle! Not an intrusion at all. I can see how that would be a good way to begin the day.

    And thank you, Father. That is one that I will always be able to bring to mind. And there are many such!

    I found this one. It talks about the Lord of mercies, working mysteriously good things, enlightening the understanding.

    We bless thee, O God most high and Lord of mercies, who ever workest great and mysterious deeds for us, glorious, wonderful, and numberless; who providest us with sleep as a rest from our infirmities and as a repose for our bodies tired by labor. We thank thee that thou hast not destroyed us in our transgressions, but in thy love toward man-kind thou hast raised us up, as we lay in despair, that we may glorify thy Majesty. We entreat thine infinite goodness, enlighten the eyes of our understanding and raise up our minds front the heavy sleep of indolence; open our mouths and fill them with thy praise, that we may unceasingly sing and con-fess thee, who art God glorified in all and by all, the eternal Father, the Only-Begotten Son, and the all-holy and good and life-giving Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

  6. Tom F Avatar

    Do we have to choose between historical and non-historical readings of scripture or a passage of scripture? It seems quite possible to me that you can acknowledge something happening historically and also acknowledge that those events were recorded in scripture in such a way in order to communicate spiritual truth?

    To my knowledge this is how allegory functioned in the early church: it believed that the historical event communicated a larger spiritual truth. But mention allegory today in America, especially in a Protestant context, and pitchforks start to appear.

  7. Esmée Noelle Covey Avatar
    Esmée Noelle Covey

    Profound. You bring Scripture to life for me and show me how to apply it in my own little life. Thank you.

  8. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Tom,
    There was a greater range in allegory in the early Church than you’ve described. St. Gregory of Nyssa is an example:

    One ought not in every instance to remain with the letter (since the obvious sense of the words often does us harm when it comes to the virtuous life), but one ought to shift to an understanding that concerns the immaterial and intelligible, so that corporeal ideas may be transposed into intellect and thought when the fleshly sense of the words has been shaken off like dust.

    St. Gregory was quite capable of pushing the bounds. But he’s an example of a very prominent Church Father whose concern was not grounded in history, but in the gospel itself. I am hesitant to create rules of interpretation that seem to have had frequent exceptions.

  9. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Tom,
    I think we make a mistake when we speak of the Scriptures as a single book (they are not). Some are more historical than others, for various reasons. Some use history in a way that differs from others. What the Church says of these books is that they are the Word of God to us in the Church and that we read and find in them the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    There have been extreme readings, even within Orthodox history, that overplayed the historicity. The Antiochene “School” – in its extreme forms did not look very much for Christ within the Old Testament writings – primarily because of their reaction to extreme allegorical methods among some in the “Alexandrian” School. The Antiochian School has been probably the most-cited by Protestantism – which tends to abhor allegory. What Protestantism lacks is a true doctrine of the Church. They speak about the Scriptures as if they had an independent life – and authority all its own.

    Christ said of the Scriptures (OT), “They speak of Me.”

    I don’t so much think we “have to” choose between one reading or another – but sometimes, one reading is to be preferred over the other, and for various reasons in various situations.

    My general suggestion to any Orthodox reader of Scripture is pay closest attention to the Liturgies of the Church. Let them read the Scriptures for you (on the whole). They are the primary way that the Scriptures are given to us in the life of the Church. Owning a private copy of the Scriptures is quite modern. I think it has been abused.

  10. Gisele Avatar
    Gisele

    Thank you, Father Stephen, for all your sustaining words this Lent. The “pyramid of salvation” again calls to mind the tale of the old woman and the onion in “The Brothers Karamazov”. When her guardian angel throws her the onion (symbol of her sole act of kindness) as a buoy in hell, she misses her redemption by not allowing the other lost souls to cling to her as she catches the onion to get out of the infernal lake. Doubtless the onion would have held the weight of all seeking to be saved if the old woman had recognized why the onion was her “way out”, and how she might have been that means for the others. And likewise, had she saved the others by not trying to save herself, it would not have been “unfair” for the other sinners to have been redeemed.

  11. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    There is an actual Mount Sodom off the main road along the Dead Sea, and it is a giant salt formation. And I was stupid enough to get excited about this, and drove my rental as far as possible up the mountain, and almost destroyed my car in a giant hole.
    I confirm that I gained nothing from my brief association with the (possibly) historical Sodom, except for the adrenaline rush.

  12. Lenore Wilkison Avatar
    Lenore Wilkison

    Since becoming Orthodox a quarter century ago, I have learned to tame my ego and turn to the church to understand scripture. Today, you caught me, Father. I honestly thought I had plumbed the depths of this chapter, but you showed me how much I missed. I thought the “hospitality of Abraham” icon being called, alternatively, “the trinity” was blasphemy. Now I know better, and there was still more here that I had missed. Thank you for this post and reminding me to strive for humility in all things!

  13. Steve Avatar
    Steve

    Fr. Stephen,

    Greetings and blessings from a thankful Catholic. I found this article such a refreshing respite from the churchianitans calling down death upon all with whom they find fault. May Almighty God bless them and open their eyes.

    Rather than admonishing people never to be quick to deal in death, Abraham’s struggle with the Father calls us never to deal in death at all, but to focus on life. Jesus reminds us here, as he will again in the Gospels, that He has come to call the sinner and to be the source of life, not of death.

    May God bless you and keep you.

  14. Hélène d. Avatar
    Hélène d.

    Thank you, P. Stephen, for this very insightful post ! During this Lent, we have “immersed” ourselves in Genesis with Abraham (among others), and it is truly a grace to discover, year after year, the mystery that continues to deepen, that reveals, that unveils, provided we devote ourselves to it with fervent desire, “the breadth, the length, the height, and the depth” of divine and infinite Life…
    In your meditation, you unfold, you open up thoughts and images, and it is in these spaces of greater breathing that we can perceive the richness of the Scriptures…
    There is so much to discover, and you participate in the satisfaction of this thirst… which will only be quenched in the Kingdom…
    “Gathered in the beneficent shadow of the Cross, in union with the most holy Mother of God, the Church shares the banquet that is our very life. It is there that we discover God’s most intimate designs and, united with His compassion, we learn to pray for the whole world and to To participate in the mediatorial priesthood of Christ. This is what love looks like.”
    Thank you for this passage, Father Stephen ! It’s a joy !

    A dear Orthodox priest I know said that
    Christ has a vision, a total view, of all worlds, everything that has happened in all worlds, before, during, and after, because Christ has a meta-historical, meta-chronological perspective, and He sees everything. When He prays with tears of blood, it is also for the world to come, the world we are in and the world that will come after. Christ prays this way until His own coming in Glory.
    “Amen, come Lord Jesus!”

  15. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Steve,
    Christ said to His disciples (when they wanted to call down fire), “You do not know what Sprit you are of”). I think that to some degree, we have changed Christ into a figure contrary to the gospels. We need to know and recognize the true Spirit which He has sent. We are intecessors.

    St. Sophrony of Athos (and Essex) thought that by “friend” – God wants to have someone who will stand between Him and others with a hand on each shoulder.

    “Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Corinthians 5:18–19)

  16. Byron Avatar
    Byron

    There is an actual Mount Sodom off the main road along the Dead Sea, and it is a giant salt formation. And I was stupid enough to get excited about this, and drove my rental as far as possible up the mountain, and almost destroyed my car in a giant hole.
    I confirm that I gained nothing from my brief association with the (possibly) historical Sodom, except for the adrenaline rush.

    Ook, this is hilarious! I too get excited at times, but I have yet to drive up a salt mountain! Forgive me if this offends in any way.

  17. Mallory Avatar
    Mallory

    “It is interesting in our day and time that many Christians number themselves among those who call for the destruction of the wicked. Surrounded by evil, our fears lash out with violent thoughts. We refuse to be with the wicked.”

    How beautiful, yes. I find many people in my life won’t even consider Christianity, or open Scriptures and unfortunately it is because of this attitude. When Jesus commanded us to judge not and to love! Many of my gay and trans friends from my former community now mistakenly fear I think they are going to hell, all because I turned to Christ. It make me sad there is a new distance there, when I think no such thing. How can anyone know who is going to Heaven? I just love Jesus and I know He loves them.

  18. Leah Avatar
    Leah

    Thank you, Father.

    “Owning a private copy of the Scriptures is quite modern. I think it has been abused.”

    This comment really hits home for me. As a new convert, I struggle to even read the Scriptures because I know that there is more to them than a plain and simple reading allows. Yet the Church seems to encourage daily Scripture reading for the laity and, as a homeschooling mother, I feel like I’m neglecting a duty if I don’t expose my sons to Scripture at home as well. Is it really enough to only hear the Scripture during Liturgy? My sons have so many questions that I don’t know how to answer, and to them (to me as well, if I’m being honest), much of Scripture seems to show God as being wrathful.

    My dad is among those Christians “who call for the destruction of the wicked.” The simple reason is that he and those like him are taking their cues from a plain reading of Scripture (not a reading guided by the Church) in which God himself often destroys the wicked. I do wonder if the Scriptures are only intended to be read by a select few who can understand them properly, and the rest of us should steer clear.

  19. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Leah. I will write more tomorrow, but 3 very good books come to mind:

    A More Christlike God
    A More Christlike Word
    A More Christlike Way

  20. Alan Avatar
    Alan

    Thank you Mallory. I’ve been going to Church my entire life and to my shame, I’ve been a very self-righteous person. May God have mercy on me and help me to repent. Christ’s words in Matthew 21:31 (tax collectors and harlots go into The Kingdom of God before you) are deeply sobering to me.
    Thanks again.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Leah,
    There’s been a long propaganda campaign that attacked the Catholic Church for putting the Bible on the “Index” (the list of forbidden books) back during the Counter-Reformation. Most people are not actually familiar with the early Reformation and the abuses that various groups made with Scripture – they rival the stuff of the craziest cults you can imagine. The printing press was a game changer. Indeed, there would have been no Reformation, as we know it, without the printing press. It changed many things. It saw the flooding of cities with leaflets and small booklets. There were over 38,000 printed during one year in England. The general culture had no filters on what was true or untrue (sound familiar?). The Bible began to be available, though not with the later cheap editions. But it was simply a crazy time.

    We still live in a crazy time – perhaps even crazier (no doubt).

    I’ve often told people in confession wrestling with pornography addictions and such that the early Church Fathers never faced any temptation of the flesh that came remotely close to what is immediate available (even to children) with just a click or two. And that’s just one of many issues.

    I do not advocate any limits on publishing Scripture – but many have discussed some sort of Orthodox imprimatur for internet and printed material. There’s much to be said in favor of this.

  22. Nathan Fischer Avatar
    Nathan Fischer

    Leah, I was in a similar boat as you (still am to a large extent). When I was at a Lutheran seminary, I read “On the Incarnation” by St. Athanasios (my patron) for the first time. I interpreted the whole book through a Lutheran lens and thought it was quite good. But on the very last page I read the quote below. It completely threw me. I had never heard such advice before. For a long time after, I would pull the book out and just read that quote over and over again and puzzle over how it could possibly be true.

    I’m far from having a “pure mind” or imitating the lives of the saints. But I have come to realize that we do this in very simple and ordinary ways. Saying our prayers, struggling, going to confession and liturgy, almsgiving and fasting, etc. And things do start to get clearer over time, both being re-trained by the Liturgy itself to hear Scripture and its true context (as Father said above), but also by connecting with the Saints and their teachings through a shared life.

    How you hear the “wrathful” stuff in the Bible will change over time. It took some time for me. But it did change. Now, when I read those passages, it is very often like I’m reading a completely different book than I did before. The difference is so extreme sometimes that when a non-Orthodox friend will make a point with certain passages, I will struggle to see what my friend even means. (I don’t see the passages saying what he sees.)

    In any case, the quote:

    “But for the searching and right understanding of the Scriptures there is need of a good life and a pure soul, and for Christian virtue to guide the mind to grasp, so far as human nature can, the truth concerning God the Word. One cannot possibly understand the teaching of the saints unless one has a pure mind and is trying to imitate their life. Anyone who wants to look at sunlight naturally wipes his eye clear first, in order to make, at any rate, some approximation to the purity of that on which he looks; and a person wishing to see a city or country goes to the place in order to do so. Similarly, anyone who wishes to understand the mind of the sacred writers must first cleanse his own life, and approach the saints by copying their deeds. Thus united to them in the fellowship of life, he will both understand the things revealed to them by God and, thenceforth escaping the peril that threatens sinners in the judgment, will receive that which is laid up for the saints in the kingdom of heaven.”

  23. Kakascik Avatar
    Kakascik

    Thankyou. Your lesson is so needful for me at this time of national confusion. Of course I know and revere the Biblical messages. However, it is very useful and reassuring to have your comments available to read, re-read and share. So I plan to fold the print-out and keep it in my Bible for quick reference and contemplation.

  24. Leah Winders Avatar
    Leah Winders

    Thank you, Nathan, that is helpful.

  25. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen. Have you read any of his books, specifically A More Christ Like Word? I found it immensely helpful when considering the kinds of issues Leah is bringing up.

    I don´t want to debate about Jersak. He was a professor of mine. I took a course from him about St. Paul´s writings read through the eyes of the Fathers. That said, I have a sneaking suspicion as to the main reason you have problem(s) with him.

    I´ll leave it at that. 🙂

  26. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Leah.

    I can imagine the great questions your children most likely ask about those parts of Holy Scripture which depict God as wrathful! Even if you had the answers at your disposal, how does one begin to articulate them to children?? What a challenge that must be! I wish you much success in your teaching endeavors.

    Before I address the thorny wrath stuff as I understand it, I would like to hear what Fr. Stephen has to say about your concerns first. He will be coming at it from an Orthodox perspective which will probably benefit his readers more.

  27. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I’ve withdrawn that criticism. Recommend away. I suspect that my take on the wrathful God is not much different than Jersak’s. I read the Scriptures in search of Christ and through the lens of Christ. Jesus is the revelation of God in its fullness. So, I do not read the OT’s depictions of God and use them to try and correct Christ or modify Him. I do not feel the need to reconcile the Old Testament depictions with Christ in the sense of giving them even weight.

    With a number of the Fathers, I treat things that I read in the Old Testament of the wrathful God with allegory and such, or as describing what the writer understood when he wrote – but filter that through Christ as far as its application in my life or anyone else’s.

    There’s lots of history in the Scriptures – but it is shaped by doctrine and other such concerns. The single point of history that is of concern for me, upon which the world turns, is the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Christ. Everything else is relative to that.

    I tend to tread lightly on these questions in that I’m keenly aware of the hostile deconstruction of Scripture and Christian teaching by (more or less) the academic Left. That’s been going on for a couple of centuries. The backlash to it has been nearly as destructive, marrying the faith to a kind of historicism that is sort of beside-the-point.

    What children need from the Scriptures of the Old Testament are the major stories. But mostly they need lots of love, a decent prayer life, and a positive experience in the Church. We should take care not to wound the soul of a child.

  28. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    Fr. Stephen, Thank you for putting this into words here in comments: “What children need from the Scriptures of the Old Testament are the major stories. But mostly they need lots of love, a decent prayer life, and a positive experience in the Church. We should take care not to wound the soul of a child.”

    It cannot be said or practiced enough!

  29. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen. I am in agreement with what you said about how to handle the images of God´s apparent wrath in Holy Scripture. It took me a very long time to get to this point, but I am so thankful for finally arriving!

    2 additional thoughts:

    I have read about “accomodation”. I think it´s the idea that the God of the Old Testament, at times, “accommodated” his self-revelation based on Israel´s culturally conditioned sinful actions and desires. As such, God´s “accomodation” is not indicative of His true character and essence which is love. Also, when the Psalmist cries out to God to take revenge on his enemies and to destroy the wicked, this reflects the Psalmist´s sinful desires, not God´s essential character.

    In terms of the New Testament, this get a little trickier I think … especially in terms of Jesus´parables. It appears that many Protestants say the ugly and destructive parts of the parables point to a 70 AD fulfillment (when Rome sacked Jerusalem), not to an eternal conscious torment of a lost soul. I personally don´t think this explanation addresses all the difficult parables. In the Parable of the Vineyard Owner (Matthew 21), for example, it says the vineyard owner (which I assume is God the Father) will destroy the tenant farmers because they killed his son. Is the vineyard owner really God the Father? Are the tenant farmers the Jews? Is the son Jesus Christ? Is this all simply metaphor and hyperbole? However one might interpret this portion of Holy Scripture, it doesn´t seem to be pointing to a 70 AD fulfillment.

    I still wrestle very much with these texts, especially when I hear them being read as part of the Liturgy of the Word in Mass. Often times the homily doesn´t clear things up even (for me at least).

  30. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “I tend to tread lightly on these questions in that I’m keenly aware of the hostile deconstruction of Scripture and Christian teaching by (more or less) the academic Left. That’s been going on for a couple of centuries. The backlash to it has been nearly as destructive, marrying the faith to a kind of historicism that is sort of beside-the-point.”

    It´s kind of like the Enlightenment created two sides of the same coin. Biblical liberalism and biblical fundamentalism … both fight against one another but neither is connected to the liturgical and sacramental life of the Church.

  31. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    When I went to seminary (Episcopal), needless to say it was dominated by the academic Left. Our Dean, in a homily on St. Michael and All Angels, sort of dismissed the existence of angels. The New Testament professor (a priest), and a Harvard PhD, admitted in a seminary discussion that he did not think Jesus was God. So…none of that was surprising…but the antidote of a Bibilical fundamentalism held no appeal to me. Frankly, I’d never met a fundamentalist whose faith seemed appealing.

    I was argumentative (a lot). But, the more I read in the Eastern Fathers (one of my professors had done his doctorate under Fr. Georges Florovsky and was quite solid), the more it seemed clear to me that there was a third way – a way of reading the Scriptures that was neither liberal deconstruction nor fundamentalist literalism. It took years for that to mature and get a more solid state.

    I still see both Biblical approach tendencies even in some areas of Orthodoxy. It’s not surprising. But the best (in my opinion) adheres to that third way and treasures the tradition for the guidance and direction it gives.

    In truth, you can find a fair variety or range within the Fathers themselves. That’s not a license that says “anything goes.” In Orthodoxy, to a certain extent, it’s the liturgical texts that are the primary evidence of the “mind of the Church.” There’s the old theological formula: lex orandi, lex credendi. That is, “the law of praying is the law of believing.” Or simply, “We believe what we pray.”

    It is the liturgical conservatism of Orthodoxy that has saved us from most of the problems that have plagued others. We don’t just read St. Basil, we pray his liturgy. We don’t just read Chrysostom, we pray him, etc.

    I personally feel that all Churches that have modified and modernized their liturgies are in danger. Those who have jettisoned liturgies are simply heresies waiting to be expressed. Also, when the fundamental shape or iconographic matters of the liturgy change, doctrine will be shifted. It one of the deep reasons that the gender of the priesthood matters – you cannot make human beings interchangeable. But, I’ll leave that for another time.

  32. Leah Avatar
    Leah

    Thank you, Matthew and Fr. Stephen.

    Matthew, I agree that this is not just an Old Testament issue. There are plenty of things in the Gospels that seem, at least from a plain and simple reading, to represent God in a way that scandalizes me. I will try to have a look at those books.

    Father, I completely agree with you about “what children need.” But what happens when you’ve been blessed with children who are naturally very inquisitive and analytical and ask difficult questions? My thirteen-year-old is quite interested in Scripture and is currently working his way through the Psalms, without any prompting from me. Sometimes I simply say, “I’m not sure,” or “I hope we’ll understand better some day,” but, I know that for myself as a child preteen and early teen, the lack of satisfactory answers to my questions about the Christian faith led to me completely rejecting it and even seeing it as harmful to society.

  33. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Leah,
    I think children (especially teens and such) can understand more than we give them credit for. I think it’s ok, for example, to talk about things that trouble you.

    I always suggest to a reader that they begin with the gospel of John. It’s also very good to have settled in your heart that God is good, that He desires only good for us, and that we can trust Him. That’s not saying that He agrees with us, much less everything in our culture. But having these things settled is important. Reading the Scriptures is a serious business.

    It’s also important to know that we are not saved by information. What do I want from God? What does He want from me? Keep a clear focus on the fact that Jesus is the revelation of God to us. It’s too easy to forget that and to begin speculating about “God.” It is Jesus to whom we bring those questions again and again.

    It’s also good for a teen (or anyone) to have humility when reading the Scriptures. We won’t have all the answers. Sometimes our opinions are incorrect, etc. I would, as a responsible parent, ask a child to bring their questions to me or to their priest, etc.

    Don’t forget to pray.

    The Scriptures are a sacrament (that’s a healthy way to understand them). If we spend our communion time examining the bread, discussing recipes, etc., we’ll miss the point. The same can be true of the Scriptures.

    I have experienced what could be called the “wrath of God.” It’s nothing other than His love burning up within me those things that need to perish. It’s a cleansing fire. He never causes us harm and only ever acts towards our healing and salvation.

    Hope some of that helps.

  34. Mark Spurlock Avatar
    Mark Spurlock

    Leah,

    My two children were home-schooled until high school. They were both very intelligent and critical thinkers and even more so as adults.

    As difficult as it is for a parent to say, as in our own lives we pray “Thy will be done,” I believe it is true for children as well. We have to be good parents and provide them with everything conducive to their health in all ways (physical necessities, security, love, etc.). We make sure they are around good people and role models and try to shepherd them away from the bad folks and bad situations.

    We evidence to them in our conduct what we believe about good and evil and concepts like responsibility and authority. Transparency and accountability.

    As you mention in your own life, however, they may at some point fall away. We have to hope, trust, and pray they will find the path back. (St. Augustine credited his mother’s unceasing prayers with his own conversion.)

    Specifically about the scriptures, I have always tried to be open with my children when I am uncertain of things. To be sure, I have occasionally been certain yet wrong! The latter, I think, is more likely damaging to a child’s faith than admitting you find an answer just as unsatisfying as the child does.

    The best piece of parenting advice I ever received was “be the kind of adult you wished you had in your life when you were a child.” (Adult, not peer.)

    After you’ve given your honest best, trust in God.

  35. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Mark. I have no children, but if I did I would take your advice!

  36. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Leah and Fr. Stephen.

    Leah: I found all three books to be helpful, but I think given what you have shared I would recommend starting with “A More Christlike Word”.

    Fr. Stephen, you said:

    “I personally feel that all Churches that have modified and modernized their liturgies are in danger. Those who have jettisoned liturgies are simply heresies waiting to be expressed.”

    I suppose this means there will never be charismatic renewal in the Orthodox Church liturgy? I ask this because charismatic renewal generally means some sort of change to traditional liturgies and you seem to be suggesting such changes are not necessarily a good thing.

    Finally, in a comment above I mentioned the Parable of the Vineyard Owner. I suggested that the tenant farmers might be the Jews. I suppose it could be inferred by this comment that I think (possibly) all Jewish people are responsible for the crucifixion of Christ and should suffer because of this. In no way did I mean that. My suspicion is that when negative things are said about the Jews in the Gospels (whether metaphorically or otherwise), those things are referencing the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus´time, not all Jews throughout all time. I am keenly aware of the anti-semitism which has plagued the church in the west (even the east?) and I am greatly troubled by it. Hence the explanation.

    Nevertheless … whoever the tenant farmers might be, I am still very troubled that the vineyard owner is said to have killed them or to have brought them to a wretched end. Shouldn´t they also have been given a chance to repent?

  37. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    “Charismatic renewal,” as far as I know, means the adoption of Pentecostalism. I do not believe that to be a good thing. All I can say is, “Been there. Done that.” It’s fruit was questionable, constantly dogged by delusion. Given that the Orthodox life continues to give us saints, I’ll be patient and let the Liturgy do its work.

    I do not think that the parable of the Vineyard Owner should be read with a one-to-one correspondence (“this stands for this” and “that for that”). We get into trouble when we do that.

  38. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

    Then what does the parable mean to you? To the Orthodox Church?

  39. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    It can be read several ways. Parables are like that. That it is a warning to the Jews of that time is clearly a possibility. And there was a terrible ending (historically) when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. It can also be read in an interior manner, in which I am the one who keeps refusing the owner of the vineyard. In that case, there is a warning to me to stop that…or, positively, that the Owner of the Vineyard will, in the end destroy those things that have prevented me from welcoming Him and giving Him His fruit in due season.

    It is of little use to me to read the parable and think of the Jews who lived 2,000 years ago. It certainly can bear that interpretation. I prefer, in my reading, to generally give greatest weight to an interior reading. The Jews aren’t the problem – I am. But, you’ll see both of these approaches (and probably more) in Orthodox writers.

    I want to note that there’s not “the Orthodox interpretation.” There is Christ. Where is Christ in this parable? How do we see Him and find Him? etc.

  40. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    This is such a good explanation Fr. Stephen. I really appreciate it.

    It seems that even the parables need to be interpreted in an interior way.

  41. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew, it’s interesting when reading some of the Fathers (particularly those who were “influenced” by Origen) to see how much they focus on an interior reading. Our modern consciousness (for a variety of reasons) tends to think in historical terms. We lose a lot with that approach. To read, for example, St. Gregory of Nyssa’s The Life of Moses is a school in interpretation that we would all do well to learn.

  42. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    In my reading scripture, especially if I desire to hear the words of Christ to me, I always attempt to read them in the way you describe, Father. This was and is how I’ve been taught by my spiritual mothers and fathers. But it was a way that needed to be taught. And definitely the Liturgy substantiates this approach.

  43. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    The entire Great Canon of St. Andrew (used in Slavic custom during the first week of Great Lent) is a wonderful exercise in this method.

  44. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Indeed, Father. It is so edifying. I’m so grateful for our Great Lent , Holy Week, and Paschal services, to ignite the Lord’s holy fire in our hearts!

  45. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    We have successfully moved into our new home (2 weeks ago). We’ve now had 2 Sundays at the new parish – which is a magnificent Church with wonderful iconography and a Sunday congregation exceeding 400. There are 5 priests at the Church – 2 of them (including myself) retired. We’re ready to enter into Holy Week and are laying aside our moving in tasks for the week. I believe we will be very happy here. I’ll probably write about our experience in the hear future.

  46. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “I have experienced what could be called the “wrath of God.” It’s nothing other than His love burning up within me those things that need to perish. It’s a cleansing fire. He never causes us harm and only ever acts towards our healing and salvation.”

    This might well very be the most freeing and beautiful thing I have ever read on this blog. Thank you so much.

  47. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I know it´s not about numbers, but wow … 400 on a Sunday??

    The Christian, and more specifically the Orthodox landscape in America is so much different than what exists here in Western Europe.

    Be blessed Fr. Stephen in your new home and your new Church!

  48. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father, I can hardly wait to hear about it! I’m thankful to the Lord for your new home. May our Lord bless your lives in your new home and parish! Your new parish sounds beautiful! I’m very excited and happy for you!!

  49. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    There’s rapid growth happening in Orthodoxy across the U.S. It’s an interesting phenomenon. I recall that last year a West Coast parish received over 100 new members at Pascha. There is a looming shortage of priests. It will be interesting to see how the Lord meets that need.

  50. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Are Melkite Greek Catholics in communion with Rome, but uphold an Orthodox theology and spirituality?

  51. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    as well as liturgy …

  52. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Matthew,
    Do they adhere to the Roman Catholic theology about the immaculate conception of Mary? My understanding (from what I’ve been taught by an Orthodox priest) is no, the theology is not the same as the Orthodox. But they have similar traditions.

  53. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I was the keynote speaker for the 50th anniversary of the Melkite Eparchy in America (with my bishop’s blessing). I was curious when they invited me and said, “Wouldn’t you rather have a Catholic speaker?” They were quite clear that they wanted an Orthodox speaker. I think it’s a bit of a fluid situation. I assume that they accept the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (which the Orthodox do not), but I did not hear that in their liturgy. To be fair, there were some Orthodox who were initially positive towards the Immaculate Conception when it was promulgated in the 1800’s, but that quickly disappeared.

    I think that we Orthodox do not know how diminished Orthodox theology was for a time. The effects of the Turkish Yoke and lack of education across much of the Orthodox world left us quite dependent on the West for theological education. It created influences that had not been there before. Coming out of what Fr. Georges Florovsky termed the “Western Captivity” has been a slow process, beginning, by and large, with the Kollyvades in the mid-18th century and spreading, ever so slowly, into the Slavic lands and Russia. The 20th century has seen this pick up a lot of steam with the translation of many more classical works and more freedom for study and travel.

    It’s why, in some corners here and there, you encounter a very strong push-back against the “West.” It’s about getting back and recovering what is ours. I enjoyed my weekend with the Melkites. It’s been 7 or 8 years ago.

  54. Leah Avatar
    Leah

    Yes, Father, that does help, thank you.

    And thank you for sharing your experience, Mark. I do recognize that I worry too much about the spiritual health of my children, because of what happened to me. But, yes, I need to again and again remember that they belong more to God than to me and that I don’t have quite as much responsibility for their salvation as I sometimes think!

  55. Esmée Noelle Covey Avatar
    Esmée Noelle Covey

    25 new people will be baptized at my church in Santa Rosa, California tomorrow. The last baptism was also about 20-25, and that was less than a year ago I believe. The interest and growth in the Church is mind-blowing. I have never seen anything like it the 20 years I have been attending services at my parish. It is really a magnificent thing!

  56. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father I have a quote from Fr. Georges Florovsky (which I found and seems correct–but I ask for your correction if not).

    “The Roman Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary is a noble attempt to suggest a solution (on how to reconcile the doctrine of Mary’s Immaculate Conception with the universality of original sin). But this solution is valid only in the context of a particular and highly inadequate doctrine of original sin and does not hold outside this particular setting. Strictly speaking, this “dogma” is an unnecessary complication, and an unfortunate terminology only obscures the undisputable truth of the Catholic belief: the “privileges” of the divine Motherhood do not depend upon a freedom from original sin.”

    Additionally, in my catechumenate, I was required to read St John Maximovitch’s book on the veneration of the Mother of God, which has a fairly strong stance against the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. This book can be found for free online if anyone in your readership is curious about it.

    I’m grateful for the interest of the Melkite Church, which invited you to hear you give a talk. This sounds very positive! Indeed, the history of the Western captivity of the Orthodox Church is complex, and we still see the effects in various ways resulting from this history.

    While I’m grateful for the number of people converting to Orthodoxy, I pray they will have sufficient catechetical instruction. So many express the “stumbling block” of Mary Mother of God. I too had and still have many stumbling blocks, but I’m eternally grateful to God that the veneration of Mary wasn’t one of them.

    I had no formal/informal instruction in Christianity until I entered the Orthodox Church. Owing to God’s Providence, I entered the Orthodox Church under a very attentive and instructive teacher, who was taught and obtained his theological degree through St. Tikhon’s seminary. He insisted that I take my time and learn well in my catechumenate of about one and a half years before my baptism, and continued catechumen classes after my baptism. I believe this is a minimum for us Orthodox, given our secularized Western culture.

  57. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Florovsky is spot on. The Orthodox have never formally iterated a doctrine of original sin. The general tendency in Orthodoxy is to view original sin as simply the fact of mortality: i.e. we are going to die. We do not teach that we have a “sin nature.” Our nature is, indeed, mortal, but that itself is not evil. However, being subject to death, we respond in ways that are morally wrong, and are in bondage to death. Hebrews 2:14-15 says it well:

    “Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.” (Hebrews 2:14–15)

    We say of the Theotokos that she was without sin – that is to say – that despite being mortal, she maintained the integrity of her life and soul before God. She was without sin. However, given our understanding of “original sin” we do not need to invoke a uniquely miraculous birth to account for her integrity.

    It’s the Augustinian notion of original sin that is the problem.

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