What We Shall Be

The city that I live in was founded in 1943 for the purpose of building an atom bomb. Various movies have shared Hollywood’s moral opinions on that endeavor, none of which are very surprising. When I moved here in 1989, I met a good number of the “Class of ’43,” people who were here during the war with rich memories and stories. They were less than sanguine about Hollywood’s tales. “How will I be remembered?” was an unspoken thought among many of them. I frequently fell into conversations that re-hashed the end of World War II and arguments for why the bombs were necessary. I also witnessed a flurry of projects across the city that sought to remember the names of those scientific pioneers. Indeed, the entire city has now been named a national park (Manhattan Project National Historical Park). I’m certain that other groups at other times and places have clamored for the same remembrance. However, in time, they will be forgotten.

Memory is a shifting thing. I recall the first time I heard my mother share something as happening to her that, in fact, happened to me (if I’m remembering correctly). My older brother and I, when swapping stories, frequently discover that our memories of the same events are different. I’m certain that he is wrong. The truth is, we can only distinguish a false memory from a real memory with great difficulty – we experience them in the same way.

The Christian life is not built on memory, at least, not in the sense in which the word is popularly used. For even our recall of historical moments, such as the death and resurrection of Christ, are not an exercise of historical memory. Indeed, none of us who hear that story recited in the Divine Liturgy were actually there when the events took place in history. We are not engaging in that sort of memory. It would be impossible. It would also be mere memorialism.

What is taking place is far more astounding.

The classical Christian faith is decidedly about the end of all things. Christ teaches us to pray, “Thy Kingdom come.” In saying this, He gives expression to the great paradox and mystery of our faith. We pray for that which shall be to be that which is. He Himself is key, for He is the “Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” and yet He is among us. The disciples said, “Show us the Father.” He replied, ” “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me? He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” He does not claim to be the Father, but rather that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him.

In the Divine Liturgy, we declare, “You called us from nonbeing into being, and when we had fallen away, You raised us up again, and did not cease to do all things until You had brought us up to heaven, and had bestowed upon us Your kingdom which is to come.” In the Liturgy itself, we do not “remember” in the historical sense. Instead, we “do this for the remembrance of Me,” an act of anamnesis in which ask for God make that which was, and that which shall be, to be present in our midst. The sacrifice on the Cross is not re-enacted, but is made present in our midst, the Body and Blood of Christ.

This “mystical” understanding is a declaration of how things truly are. The “End” is that towards which everything is moving and being drawn. It literally “defines” us. It is also more than the outcome of things that have gone before. The End (Christ our God) is the cause of all things, the purpose, and reason for their being.

We are eschatological beings, created according to the end for which we are intended. Memory, rightly understood, plays an important role in manner of existence. The thief on the Cross prays to Christ, “Remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” This is not a cry for a human memorial, a plaque marking the place and date of his passing. This is a stretching forth towards that which alone can rescue his existence. It is similar to the Orthodox prayer, “May his memory be eternal!”

As an older man, I see my past slipping away. My memory seems fine from a medical point-of-view, but the truth is that we only remember moments of our past. Those moments are often sustained by photographs, souvenirs, and stories. Indeed, the stories have a striking way of mis-remembering, the story supplanting the event itself. Tell the story wrong for enough times and you come to believe it yourself. The cult of the past is often a covenant with a lie.

Modernity’s cult of the future is equally misleading. We are not creating the future nor is the past the enemy of the future. In the End, what we think of as the future will be nothing more than dust and ashes.

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.” (2 Peter 3:10–13)

The End is working within us, creating new heavens and a new earth. Our “remembering” in the Liturgy is nothing less than calling down into our midst that very thing. It is in that light that we forgive one another – everyone for everything. We love one another even as Christ loves us. We invoke the peace of Christ which is the Kingdom that is to come.

Remember us, O Lord!

Beloved, now we are children of God;
and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be,
but we know that when He is revealed,
we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. (1 John 3:2)

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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61 responses to “What We Shall Be”

  1. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    What is the purpose of memory then? Of time and space?

  2. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    It ultimate purpose is something we don’t know yet. But memory clearly cannot serve the purpose of constituting our being. It is less than we imagine, and probably more, if we rightly understood it.

    St. Paul, nearing the end of his life, doesn’t seem particularly concerned with being remembered:

    “but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 3:13–14)

    The purpose of time and space?

    It’s where we start. But it’s clearly something that is not eternal.

  3. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen.

  4. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Thank you Fr. Stephen for your words here. When I was a very young man I went through the CA Highway Patrol Academy. One sunny afternoon, unbeknownst to us, they staged a 2 car accident right in front of us cadets. Of course we were all very surprised, caught off guard. The instructors then gave us pencil and paper and told us to describe what we had just witnessed. When we then read aloud to the others what we had just seen, we realized how unreliable “eyewitness” accounts can be (that was the purpose of the exercise). And these were short term recalls.
    My wife and I also tend to recall events in our past differently. I think this is to be expected, especially as we grow older. I once read that every time we remember a past event, our brain reorders it a bit. Maybe this is true, but whatever the reason, our memories are not very reliable.
    What is reliable is the Church’s
    memory, made certain through the work of the Holy Spirit as He certifies the truth of Tradition.

  5. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dean,
    It’s worth noting that the Church’s memory is set in Scripture and in the Liturgies. We do not rely on a series of whispers passed down. Neither do we really depend on texts, per se. The Liturgy is the Scripture-as-action (more or less). Of course, we believe that the “memory” of the Liturgy makes present what it remembers.

  6. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    This article and its comments are making the statement

    “Do this in remembrance of me”

    Come alive!

  7. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Maybe time and space and even memory have been given to us in order to help us navigate the place we find ourselves in, but which ultimately will cease to be necessary when the End finally arrives?

  8. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    That’s a possibility

  9. Justin Avatar
    Justin

    Perhaps the Lord’s Memory is more important than my own.

    Remember me, Lord, in your Kingdom!

    If the Lord forgets, I’m done for.

  10. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Justin,
    I think that when God remembers us, it gives us our true existence. Think: when we “remember Him” in the Divine Liturgy, Bread and Wine are revealed to be His Body and Blood. He is truly present. Imagine how profound it is for our “real presence” when He remembers us. And so we pray, “May His memory be eternal” for the departed. We are not saying, “May we remember him…” We are saying, “May God remember him.”

  11. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Reminds me of the Taize song/chant:

    “Jesus, remember me, when you come into your kingdom.”

  12. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    It is the refrain for an Orthodox hymn (the Beatitudes) sung at funerals.

  13. Justin Avatar
    Justin

    Matthew,

    Also, we recite it at the last of the Pre-Communion Prayers:

    Receive me today, O Son of God, as a partaker of Your mystical supper. I will not betray Your mysteries to Your enemies; nor give You as kiss as did Judas. But as the thief I confess to you, Remember me, Lord, in Your kingdom.

    At least in my parish we do…

  14. Janette Adelle Reget Avatar
    Janette Adelle Reget

    I am grateful to be remembered.

  15. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Justin,
    Yes, we say the pre-communion prayer in our Greek Orthodox parish as well.

  16. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    As someone whose worldly memory is getting spotty, I am deeply grateful that Jesus’ memory of me seems stronger than ever a long with His Mercy.

    Frequently during the day the Joy of His Mercy, by which He remembers me, wells up in my heart leading to thanksgiving even as I struggle with the way of the world and my sin.

  17. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael, et al
    What a terrible and insignificant thing it would be if what we carried into eternity were nothing more than the scattered, broken shards of our earthly memory. We were created as the children of God, kings and priests of the Most High God. There is an eternal weight of glory that awaits us. And there will be no more sorrow or sighing. All that is good will be preserved as a treasure. The hay, wood, and stubble will be burned. For some of us, it won’t be all that long, and for us all, it’s only a brief passing.

    Glory to God for all things!

  18. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Indeed, Father. I have, I hope, touched, I say touched not grasped, the bottom hem of His Garment and what little I have seen, based on the beginning of repentance, is even more than you indicate. I have nothing to come close to describing any of it. It just IS.

  19. Lenore Wilkison Avatar
    Lenore Wilkison

    Thank you!

  20. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    Thank you for this article and the thoughts and reflections it evokes.

    I wonder who among us ten years ago thought we would be where and who we are now, let’s say. What would we say is a constant, and what has changed? For example, about ten years ago, in November 2014, I timidly took courage and stepped into an Orthodox Church. I stayed in the back and didn’t want to be seen, so I tried to slip out before being noticed at the end of Liturgy. Things have certainly changed since then. But there also seems to be a kind of constant in my soul, which I believe is the constant seeking of Christ. Or perhaps it is Christ’s constant seeking of my soul:

    Behold, he stands behind our wall, looking through the windows and peering through the lattices.
    My beloved answers and says to me, Rise up and come, my companion, my fair one, my dove.
    For behold, the winter is past, and the rain is gone;
    It has departed.

  21. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    Such a good question and observation.

    I believe the purpose of our life in this world is the discovery and manifestation of the “true self” (in the image of Christ) and the truth of that self as it is in Christ. All things are leading us towards that. And, I think, we have glimpses and hints at this “self” (for lack of a better term) throughout the course of our lifetime.

    When the Apostles encountered Christ and followed Him, the stories seem astonishing. They drop whatever is going on and follow Him. I don’t think it has anything to do with wanting to join a movement or any such thing. Instead, encountering Christ, and He “calls” them – they hear in that call something that they did not understand, nor could they name it. But, I think it was their “true name” – the truth of who they were – and they followed.

    It happens to us. And it might take many forms in the course of a lifetime. I can think of at least a half-dozen major moments in my own life when an echo of that call was heard. It took me step by step towards somewhere that I am still following. I’m also aware of having turned aside more than once – and the terrible dangers that ensued.

    I love the quote from the Song of Songs – so apt!

  22. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    The discovery of our true self as our life purpose. Profound.

    At 54 years old and after decades of being a Christian I am finally seeing that this is what it is truly all about.

    The book “Open Mind, Open Heart” by the late Fr. Thomas Keating (a Catholic) dives deeply and effectively into this topic.

  23. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    I have a quick question about reCAPTCHA:

    Am I possibly doing something wrong? Sometimes I have to move through a bunch of images before my post goes through.

    Thanks so much.

  24. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    I see the discovery of the true self in two particular parables in Matthew 13. First, “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.” And, second, “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.” The reflexive nature of these verses is interesting to me. In the first instance the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden (that which is sought) and in the second instance it is like a “merchant seeking” (that which seeks). So, there is an identity between that which seeks and that which is sought, which rhymes with “the kingdom of God is within you.”

  25. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    I’ll talk to my IT person about it. I wonder if it helps anything. We are possibly missing a chance to evangelize robots… 🙂

  26. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Fr. Stephen.

  27. juliania Avatar
    juliania

    Thank you, Father Stephen. I know it isn’t an icon, but what a lovely photograph!

  28. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Apparently, children do not begin to have memories from birth. I am not sure at what age a child begins to remember things, events, etc., but seemingly they are able to live without the need for memory when they are very young.

    Many people as they age have problems with memory, but apparently for many of them life still goes on until death.

    I remember a lot of things from my past (like my recent trip to Greece) in a series of moments … not not as one long, continuous event that is relived in my head.

    What might all this be saying about memory in general and the value most of us place on it?

  29. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Matthew,
    I’m not sure about the info you shared about memory. Sometimes a researcher’s bias derives from the dominant culture

  30. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Dee. Where might I have erred?

  31. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Matthew, as I age, I find layers and types of memory: physical memory that allows my body to act with seeming autonomy; emotional memories; personal history memories; memories of one’s heart and intra-connection with one another and God.
    The “God” memories are both general in nature and much deeper and experiences that seem to be on a continuum that may be infinite as we come into eternal life.

    One thing I am sure of is that each of us is led more deeply into repentance by our Guardian Angel, if we listen

  32. Mark Spurlock Avatar
    Mark Spurlock

    Matthew:

    Regarding CAPTCHA: https://tinyurl.com/ek3mn3up

    I have to do it multiple times at many sites, and (based on that article) it’s likely a Firefox plugin I use. The benefits of the plugin outweigh the hassle 🙂

  33. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Mark!

  34. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Some “memory experience” has led to many heretical and false beliefs of what it is to be human and connected to God.
    Before I became Orthodox, I participated in some but the Blessed Mother, lifted me out of those.

  35. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Michael.

  36. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Mark … I have security add-ons. That must be the issue, but as you said the security outweighs the hassle of multiple CAPTCHA`s.

    Thanks again!

  37. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Matthew,
    I’m not saying you made an error but the research that attempts to say what a baby remembers may not be free of bias..For example I would ask is it necessary that memory follows language? And what criteria is the basis for the operational definition of memory? Whose criteria is it? How was it developed?

  38. Mark Spurlock Avatar
    Mark Spurlock

    I think “babies are able to live without the need for memory when they are very young” and “children do not begin to have memories from birth” are two disparate propositions. (Substitute legs, for example, in place of memory in each case.)

    One of my English professors asserted yes to the question Dee asks: language *is* necessary for memory. On the surface, his assertion seemed reasonable in that our earliest memories as adults often coincide with around when we began acquiring language. I do not now believe it now, however, because of experience to the contrary.

    If, for example, learning requires memory, then babies exhibit memory when they learn to nurse. Those unfamiliar with the process may think it is purely instinctive, but it’s not. Many babies are not very good nursers when they start, and they have to improve their technique.

    Babies are learning from day one.

  39. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, how does the participation in the Divine Sacraments, especially of reconciliation and the Eucharist fit in???

  40. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Mark and Dee and Michael.

    I realize I have no research to back up my claims about children and the elderly and how they remember events. Thanks for that reminder Dee 🙂 I´m just a philosophy and theology kind of guy who has very little scientific and research experience.

    I can only speak from personal experience. I sat at the computer yesterday after reading Dee´s latest comment to me trying hard to remember things from my early childhood. Admittedly, I could only come up with a few things … maybe from when I was 2 or 3 years old?

    I´m not sure what I am trying to get at. I am only thinking outloud really. I do believe, though, that although I cannot remember much from my childhood there is a lot going on in my subconscience. Memories, both good and bad from years past, are floating down the river of my subconscience. They pass me by and affect me in a myriad of ways that I cannot fully comprehend as an adult man, though I am currently trying to work through all this.

    All that said, I guess memory plays a role in our lives … as children, as adults and as elderly people … but just what role I am not completely sure. I am also not sure how much value we should place on memory since at significant points in our lives it seems to play little role at all.

    As stated … just thinking outloud with all of you.

  41. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    subconscious … NOT … subconscience!

    🙂 🙂

  42. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew, et al,
    Memory is a catch-all term that describes a very complex and diverse operation of the brain/body. What interests me in it is two-fold: (1) that we make more of it than we should and (2) that we make less of ourselves than we should. When a senior has dementia (of which there are many forms), some are tempted to say, “He’s not there,” or “I don’t know him anymore,” or other such despairing things. But the person is not memory, per se, any more than a person is their arm or their leg.

    And, then, on the other hand, there is an importance to remembrance in the theological sense (we have no other term for it). It is two-fold: our remembrance (anamnesis) of Christ as in the Eucharist, and God’s remembrance (anamnesis) of us as something which constitutes our existence. Our present existence is not constituted by its biology/materiality, properly speaking. Rather, our biology/materiality is constituted by God sustaining it (we could even say “remembering” it). Creation is not self-existing. It exists because God sustains it in existence.

    Remember us, O Lord!

  43. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Got it Fr. Stephen. Thanks. This will help me when I am among the seniors who have dementia at the home where my mother-in-law is.

  44. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Fr. Stephen … what do you think God is doing in the mind, heart and soul of a person with dementia? I am several times a week with dementia patients, most who simply sit and stare. I say hello and goodbye with a small smile, but really I wonder what God is up to in their lives.

  45. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    He is doing far more than we imagine. Indeed, dementia patients can be far more complex than many imagine. Many, for example, can respond to music (even play instruments). I had a parishioner with severe infarct dementia (basically turning his brain into swiss cheese). He responded to music and to prayer – both are in a different part of the brain. Frequently in treatment settings, if the patient is not a “problem,” then they get very little attention, and very little stimulation. But there’s so much beneath the surface that we cannot begin to fathom.

  46. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Fun fact: The–or maybe a–Greek word for “truth” ἀλήθεια which means “not forgotten”. It should remind a person of Plato’s Dialogue with Meno where he teaches a young slave about the Pythagorean theorem and attributes the learning to an act of remembering anamnesis.

    I wonder there aren’t theological implications. In some of the early Christian literature there are stories about the Christian journey as one of remembering. As I recall there’s a story of a king’s son that goes to Egypt to find a treasure and while there he forgets about the treasure and about who he is and begins to think of himself as Egyptian and begins to lead a peasant’s life.

  47. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Simon, is not a living encounter with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Theotokos a call to remember who we are created to be both in Joy and Thanksgiving?

    In fact, the myth of reincarnation is, in part, a failure to follow whom we really are.

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

    …and so it is with all of us as we repent and Commune with our Risen Lord.

    Luke 12:2–“All things shall be revealed…”

  48. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen for your thoughts about dementia and those who have it. I think it is safe to say God is often doing things beneath the surface that we cannot fathom!

    I echo your words:

    Remember us, O Lord!

  49. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Matthew,
    I had a mild stroke about 20 months ago. It has left my short to mid memory absent or spotty. Fortunately, my long term memory and verbal skills are largely unaffected.

    Still, there is always the fear that something will not be there when I need it or want it….and a confusion about my surroundings that is strange…almost like watching a movie as a participating actor.

    Yet, by Mary’s Grace and intercession my certain knowledge of her Son and His Salvation through the Cross plus the Joy She brings is more certain.

    Laughter spontaneously wells up from my heart for no obvious reason.

    Jesus and His Mother, the Saints and Holy Angels are with us all the time. Their presence and blessing is, in part, because of the doors in my soul opened by the Sacraments.

    The Life of the Spirit will remain with me no matter what happens to my brain. Deep within my heart by His Grace and Mercy.

    Because of that, I can truthfully say: Glory to God for All Things!

  50. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much for your thoughts Michael. Yesterday in the Catholic Church we celebrated All Saints Day. It is so good to know that we are surrrounded by a great cloud of living holy witnesses who have gone before us. As a Protestant, I never really gave the cloud of witnesses a “living” thought. May their intercessions be powerful in our lives no matter what may happen to our brains.

  51. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Father,
    You wrote:

    Modernity’s cult of the future is equally misleading. We are not creating the future nor is the past the enemy of the future. In the End, what we think of as the future will be nothing more than dust and ashes.

    In addition to the cult of the future, there is the cult of youth. I’ve heard it said the bummer generation contributed to such an ethos. (I’m not sure that’s true because a “fountain of youth” has been a myth told across centuries) I believe these two outlooks are interrelated in Modernity.

    In contrast, it is the Orthodox prayer behavior of looking back to the future, where Christ was slain before the world, and it is to Him we go, that is if we’re going anywhere. Simultaneously, He is always with us, Christ, the only begotten and Savior.

    Is metanoia a change of mind? A mental state of the brain? Does metanoia happen in God’s mind?

    I remember something happened when I was baptized. It wasn’t only the water flooding over my head and body. Indeed, it was a death and resurrection. But no one saw a dead body in the water.

    And it seems that when I come and leave the sacrament of confession, something more happens (or needs to happen) in the moments of confession than what can be described in words. It seems that whatever happens in such moments escapes our capacity to put it into language, let alone philosophical discourse.

  52. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Ha!!! the bummer generation was intended to be the Boomer generation. I’m giggling at the moment. I’m a fool. Hopefully, a fool for Christ.

  53. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Our salvation is no laughing matter. But in His humanity, did Christ ever laugh? Did He even smile? I know He loves. And children often laugh when they play. And when I watch them play I often laugh with them. I suppose this might be a question for the Theotokos concerning the Christ child.

  54. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Apologies for one last comment. After re-reading what I’ve written, I think it is best to clarify that my writing “bummer” generation was accidental. After seeing my mistake, I laughed at the irony of what I had written. It is my prayer that our Lord God makes good my ineptitude.

    Glory to God for all things.

  55. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dee, I have no doubt the Jesus laughs. It is a laugh of transformation and Joy that can shatter the dark illusions of evil.

    He never laughs the laugh of derision or mockery — those are the laughs of the evil one attempting to enslave us hopelessness.

  56. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks Michael!

  57. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    St. Philip Neri is an RC saint who is a patron of laughter

  58. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    You made me laugh! With joy. I think that Madison Avenue’s cult of youth followed WWII (thus sweeping up the “Baby Boom” generation – today’s “Boomers.”). But I’ll not blame that generation for it. They were “sold” that mistaken notion. Of course, part of its foolishness is a sort of assumption that the young have a sort of wisdom in contrast to the old. Children have an innocence, and a turn towards common sense, that confounds the pseudo-wisdom of those who have been caught in ideologies.

    As to laughter: Luke 6:21 “Blessed are you who weep now, For you shall laugh.” There is a healthy laughter, and an unhealthy laughter (like the “derision” that Michael referred to). Interestingly, laughter is a physical remedy for the physical experience of shame. Much of our humor is based on this – comedians describing shameful situations and provoking laughter in their audience.

    But, like shame, there’s healthy and unhealthy laughter. I’ve watched quite innocent children laugh – which reassures me that it can be wholesome and beneficial…as well as the eschatological promise of Luke 6:21.

  59. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Elder Eumenios Saridakis is an Orthodox saint who had the gift of laughter as well. Perhaps a Holy Fool.

  60. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Thank you Father and Michael for your kindness and gentle responses. Indeed, I forgot about the Beatitudes!

  61. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Dee said:

    “I remember something happened when I was baptized. It wasn’t only the water flooding over my head and body. Indeed, it was a death and resurrection. But no one saw a dead body in the water.

    And it seems that when I come and leave the sacrament of confession, something more happens (or needs to happen) in the moments of confession than what can be described in words. It seems that whatever happens in such moments escapes our capacity to put it into language, let alone philosophical discourse.”

    Matthew responds:

    I couldn´t agree more! When I leave the sacrament of confession I know something is going on that escapes my capacity to put it into language or philosophical discourse. The reality and power of the sacraments was one of the big reasons I left a much more symbolic Protestantism.

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