The End of the Modern World

“Welcome to the 21st Century!”

Pick your issue, and if its outcome conforms to a popular, desired norm you are likely to hear such a greeting. The greeting also implies that a less than desirable outcome is wrong because it doesn’t belong to our time. It might be characterized as “medieval,” “outmoded,” “out-of-date,” “primitive,” “Neanderthal,” “reactionary,” etc. None of which actually describe anything. Such labels are value judgments and rhetorical devices that dismiss undesirable actions as beneath consideration. We are “modern” people.

 The notion of “modern” is also deeply linked with the myth of progress. The story thus runs that modernity is the natural, even inevitable outcome of history. That which does not fit within the desired modern model is simply outmoded, not yet developed. It is something that will change, inevitably.

 A recent article by Giles Fraser in The Guardian looks at this rhetorical device. Its title says a lot: “Our Secular Salvation Myth Distances Us from Reality.” Indeed. The “Secular Salvation Myth” of Modernity is not just about our time of the world, a time when technology exists at a certain level. The myth says that we live at a point in history that was always the point – everything has always been tending towards this very present time and arrangement.

 Fraser’s article draws attention to a clever trick. Anything in the present time that does not fit the desired model is treated as though it were not actually in the present time.

 Rather than … questioning the arrogance that has led us to believe that we are the inheritors of a historical tradition of success and process, society has developed a neat trick: it simply denies that shocking events are part of our time.

 A massacre in some corner of the world shocks our sensibility. But it is described as “Medieval,” as if the modern world were somehow immune from atrocities. It is worth noting, that the labels attached to various periods of history, “Classical, Dark Ages, Medieval, Modern, etc.,” were all invented in the so-called Modern period. They were invented to support the notion of an evolutionary progress and inevitability in history.

 I have written previously about this myth of progress. Things are not progressing. They change, but they do not progress. History is not going anywhere. Some changes bring benefits, many changes bring misery. The myth of progress is a narrative that justifies the destruction of traditional ways of life (or anything else that is seen as standing in its way). It frequently takes no account of the collateral damage left behind in its march. Progressive-driven accounts of history carefully ignore the carnage and dislocations brought about by change. Progress is the narrative told by those who receive the profits.

 Modernity is a rhetorical device. The modern world does not produce wonders or even Apple Phones. Those are the work of technology, something with roots in the ancient world (cf. the Antikythera Mechanism). Modernity is simply the place where the myth was invented – not technology.

Believers will occasionally be told that their traditional beliefs do not belong in the modern world. Church practices or moral teachings that do not conform to the current ruling ideology are cataloged as belonging to some deluded, patriarchal past (or some other pejorative era). Progress demands that the Church get with the times.

 A very common canard that is trotted forth in these rhetorical assaults is the myth of progressive liberation. It tells us that the Church and society approved slavery and were wrong. The Church and society oppressed women and were wrong. The Church and society oppressed sexual choice and were wrong (etc.). Of course the strongest case in this tale of progress is that of racial slavery. But slavery based on racial inferiority is itself a modern invention. The practice of slavery referenced in the New Testament had nothing to do with racism. It had everything to do with war and the spoils of war. Prisoners of war became slaves in ancient Rome. They could and did find their freedom. It was not a caste system, nor was it ever endorsed by the Church. It was part of the economic system in which the Church was born. A large portion of the early Church were, in fact, slaves.

But it was in the modern world (in the West) that racist slavery had its birth. Slavery had existed in Africa and was quite common there. Its adoption by Western European (and American) powers was tolerated and later endorsed by false Protestant theologies and progressive ideologies. It was never a part of the ancient order.

Racist theories were grounded in notions of “modern superiority,” and of the “white man’s burden of civilization,” or worse still, notions that would later provide a haven to evolutionary racism and modern eugenics. The true problems of modern slavery were barely addressed by the Emancipation Proclamation and subsequent legislation. Its racist basis is not only thoroughly modern, but still alive in the modern breast. All of which is falsely dismissed as something that modernity has swept into the dustbin of history. Modernity is not our savior.

The current culture of abortion enjoys modern popularity and is treated as though it were a product of progressive medicine. Like many other modern schemes, a false myth of progress is employed to justify the unthinkable. Women are encouraged to destroy their children with no compunction and are told that they are in the vanguard of their liberation. Those who oppose them are seen as resisting the inevitable. The abortion culture is considered part of the progressive march of women’s rights.

This pattern is repeated for every practice deemed desirable in the modern setting. Of course, the question must be asked: Who gets to declare which practice is now the march of progress?

Another recent article raised a serious question about modernity: Can a person in the modern world believe in an ancient religion? Are there things about Christianity that are simply impossible for modern people to believe?

Charles Taylor, the Canadian Catholic philosopher, has spent a career mapping the rise of modernity and secularism. He has traced the changes in human consciousness that have accompanied its ascendancy. But a recent article takes him to task for granting modernity more power than it is due – for he suggests that modernity is here to stay and has forever changed the nature of how we think. He does not despair of Christian believing, but suggests that it must change itself and adapt to a new way of seeing the world – to incorporate the inherent doubt of modernity into its faith. Matthew Rose, writing in First Things, suggests this is nothing less than a betrayal of the faith. I would agree.

Modernity presents perhaps the greatest challenge the Church has ever faced. As mythologies go, it has a narrative that enjoys an almost unquestioned position. Its magic is invoked commonly by people everywhere. Political and social elites use it to tailor the world to their own ideologies. But a modern Christianity makes no more sense than a Buddhist Christianity, or an Atheist Christianity – for modernity is itself a religious point of view, with itself as the central point of worship.

But how do Christians live an authentic existence within the modern world? Is such a thing possible?

It is a testament to the power of modernity that such questions even seem plausible. There is nothing about our lives (technology included) that require a “modern” point of view. It is only a cultural habit and an “unexamined” life that give modernity its power.

There are several key strategies that are important for a contemporary Christian:

  1. Pay attention to the present. “Modernity” is a theory of history and the future. We do not live theoretical lives – we live in the present. The present constantly offers itself to us. It is our inattention that removes us from this reality. The Fathers speak of “watchfulness.” In our present struggle against a false myth, our watchfulness to what is truly around us is an indispensable way of life.
  2. Take your place. The myth of progress constantly diverts our attention away from the task at hand. We are always looking for the next job, the next opportunity, the next bargain, the next fashion. Following the strategy of watchfulness, we commit ourselves to the life that is given to us. The Fathers say to the monk, “Stay in your cell and your cell will teach you everything.” Modernity constantly seeks to disrupt the stability of our lives and cultures. Staying put is a Christian life-strategy. Take your place in the world.
  3. Make real choices. Although the modern myth tells us that choice is an essential part of our modern lives, we rarely make real choices. Instead, we live by our desires (which are passions and not products of the will). We spend our days living “unintentionally.” We get up, go to work, come home, etc., never actually exercising our will. We live passively and are carried along by circumstance and desire. You can only live in the present by wanting to be there. Choose to do what you do – and do it repeatedly throughout the day.
  4. Become a modern agnostic. What I mean by this is to refuse to agree to the modern myth. Are things progressing? We don’t know. Do not agree that you know what you don’t. Ignorance is just honesty most of the time.
  5. Refuse the lie. Either deeply increase your awareness of modern propaganda, or diminish your exposure (and your family’s). Become deeply aware of the constant barrage of propaganda that assaults us, selling the modern myth. Advertising, news stories, false documentaries, etc. Ignore them. Do not make them part of your mental diet or feed them to your children.
  6. Give thanks for all things. Nothing grounds us in the present as firmly and securely as giving thanks to God for all things at all times.

These, of course, are simple strategies for daily living (among many). We do well to remember that modernity is mostly powerful and important in its own mind. We are not attempting to reject some piece of hard-bitten reality – it is a myth – a false set of beliefs. We do not live in a period of time. We do not live at a climax of history. Our world is not the result of progress. Rejecting the myth of the modern world is, to a large extent, simply coming to our senses.

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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100 responses to “The End of the Modern World”

  1. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Wow dear Father,
    Just a couple weeks back, in a conversation with fellow faculty I was accused in nuanced ‘academic speak’ of holding an ‘antiquated’ view. The topic of conversation was how the human brain learns chemistry. My outlook does not favor virtual learning of chemistry, even more so in the lab. My fellow elocutor was a psychologist making an argument on research they had read. However, they were not mindful nor cared about my own direct hand’s-on research nor long experience with teaching novices. As an academic in the field of psychology, it seemed quite apparent (to them) that their knowledge of how the mind works was superior.

    I didn’t really take a lot of time to argue (the conversation was in writing), prefering not to maintain contentiousness. But it did surprise me that the person had not deliberated non-verbal behavioral cues, nor what an ‘in-body’ experience gives a person conducting work in a lab environment such as a chemistry lab.

    I thought about suggesting some reading for them. It wasn’t research but a book written by a man who had witnessed the seemingly non-rational knowledge that is acquired in the lab. In-body experience that we in the Western world haven’t developed to explain how we learn chemistry. In lieu of it, psychologist-minded researchers developed a rubric (artificially driven by a rational structure) aligning the novice learner as a “concrete” learner, needing hand-held models and such. Then they put their theory and rubric to the test, and discovered that ‘seasoned’ or in their words ‘expert’ learners were “concrete learners” too.

    The last bit in the exchange with my fellow academic was the nuanced insinuation that my perspective was about 20 year behind the times. This is what Giles Fraser mentioned in his article a stance that Johanna Fabian calls ” “a denial of coevalness” – a denial that we share the same temporal space with those who have different values or different political aspirations.”

    Described as a [modernist] stance this (your) article has been so helpful for me to grasp what is going on in such conversations. Everything about me (being an older woman) must seem so antiquated. There is a lot of irony in such a perception, given much of my work involves the very current remediation of chemical outfalls in our environment.

  2. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dee,
    I think that this modernist dismissal of so many things is frequently unnoticed and thus a product of ignorance. Modernity is one of the most arrogant and ignorant positions anyone can assume. It requires no empathy. Ironically, it’s a form of intellectual colonialism. 🙂

  3. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Well, Dee, I am surprised that you describe yourself as an “older woman”. You attitude has always been “knowing, but young”.

  4. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dee, one of the reasons I switched away from chem as a major long ago is the school was in a remodel and they got stalled in the chem lab so there was no hands on learning. The head of the dept. had a doctorate in quantum mechanics so he did not care that much.
    If I was going to go conceptual, history was a lot more fun.

  5. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father
    This is.amazingly timed for me too as it is for Dee.
    Thank you so much.
    It is even more difficult when an argument with an invested modernist ideologue is not with someone that is that arrogant! but one that has a displaced yet genuine moral care for rights of others.

  6. Salaam Yitbarek Avatar
    Salaam Yitbarek

    Good morning, Father,

    The questions I will raise now have been discussed many years ago in the comments section, but I thought I’d raise them again.

    As you write, part of the success of, let’s call it, “modernity marketing”, is our tendency to compare “modern” (ie Western) societies and countries with “backwards” (developing, third world, etc.) societies, but not only in the material and technological domains, but also in the domain of virtue and morality. A Western tourist goes to Greece or Poland or India or Egypt and finds reckless drivers, a thieving civil service, swindlers, robbers, and murderers on the street…

    But it’s not only the Western tourist. The member of the “Eastern intelligentsia” observes the superior morality of Western missionaries, NGO employees, etc. compared with his countrymen. And if he has the chance to visit the West, he is enthralled not only by the technology and material wealth, but the relative honesty of everyone (he thinks).

    It probably harder to explain to the Eastern intellectual than the Western tourist, that they are the victims of a powerful illusion created not only by several coincidental historical factors, a myopic view of history, but also a deliberate propaganda campaign, and that any reasonable intellectual examination of the theory of progress would find it wanting.

    Any thoughts, Father?

  7. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    My family in Germany are all educated, secular, privileged, modern elites. Most all of them do not believe in anything that isn´t right within their vision and reach, and for the very few who believe in a personal God, they have much disdain for the Church.

    My wife and I, who are both practicing Catholics with an evangelical background, are simply seen as relics from a time that has long passed; as a couple whose religious beliefs have no meaning or purpose in the modern world; a family who belong to nothing more than a man-made institution that has brought more pain than relief into the world.

    As I sail through life with them, it seems that we are all passing ships in the night. It is hard that on the big questions in life we all talk past one another most of the time. Somedays it is very hard to be a committed Christian in Western Europe, but it is my home. I need to make the best of it as I continue to walk with Christ.

  8. Salaam Yitbarek Avatar
    Salaam Yitbarek

    You are definitely right, Dino. But even in this, it is helpful to force oneself out of the current myopia and look to the past for help, even the recent past, and we will remember that it was very difficult to counter Marxism and its very moral liberation of the oppressed. And if we go back to Christ’s time, I have heard it said that the Pharisees were the most moral Jews of the time.

  9. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Salaam,
    It’s an interesting and complex topic. The “blindness” of modernity (utterly secure in its own correctness about itself and the world) translates into wholesale misunderstandings of the rest of the world. America’s largest export is the myth of modernity. NGO’s, for example, are its missionaries. We bring technology, of a sort, and, in turn, destroy cultures.

    Western cultures often present a form of “morality.” It’s dominant Protestant influence had Enlightenment and Puritan roots, both of which came to nurture “morality” as a substitute for religion. Secularism is often far more “moral” than true Christianity – because it has no transcendence. The myth and religion of “progress” are validated by their morality. Several years back I was lecturing in Seattle, Washington – an American city famous for its “woke” culture. I described it as “the most moral city in America.” The “woke” phenomenon is purely “moral” though its morality is rooted in wrong ideas. Morality doesn’t have to be true – only rigid.

    Protestant Western Europe has long despised Catholic Southern Europe (and Orthodox Eastern Europe) as lazy, immoral, etc. Of course, the bourgeoise morality of secularized Protestantism disguises and covers-up many of its own deeper immoralities. The petty corruption in the Southern and Eastern cultures pale when compared the the economic, military, and industrial sins of the West. It’s like the Pharisees who “strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.”

  10. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dino,
    Modernity is “moral” above all else. Hence my articles against “moral Christianity.”

  11. Kyriaki Avatar
    Kyriaki

    Glory to God!
    Thank you, Father Stephen, for speaking to our present cultural reality. I will be saving this post to reread again and again!

    I learned yesterday that Paul Kingsnorth will be coming to America from his home in Ireland this month. His first lecture will be held in Birmingham, Alabama on Friday, October 18th. He will be speaking on this very topic!

    Gratefully,
    Kyriaki

  12. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Father Stephen wrote, “The petty corruption in the Southern and Eastern cultures pale when compared the the economic, military, and industrial sins of the West. It’s like the Pharisees who “strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.”

    Wow. Amen.

  13. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Dee, thanks for your comment. I’m just curious to know if the funding for the psychologist’s research rests on some underlying value or aim, like applying it to future lcokdowns (perhaps it’s as simple as seeking to build an online presence/platform by the university).

  14. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Thanks Father, that was good to go back and read again.
    It’s impossible not to notice the glaring, moral superiority assurance of those who champion the inverted “new values”.

  15. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Kyriaki,
    I have been reading Kingsnorth for a while and enjoy his work. I will be attending an event in Birmingham, Alabama, in a couple of weeks where he will be the speaker – it will be my first time to meet him (or speak with him). Someone recently sent me a link to an article he did on “Orthodoxy for Beginners.” Under his recommendations for internet resources he wrote:

    Father Stephen Freeman
    For my money, Fr Stephen is one of the wisest and most penetrating contemporary Orthodox voices around. He’s also highly critical of modernity and has a dry sense of humour, which hits the spot for me. His blog and podcast should be required reading and listening.

    Needless to say, I was honored (flattered, even). I had no idea he had ever read any of my work, though I found a great deal of compatibility in his work. Very much looking forward to meeting him.

  16. Krisztian Avatar
    Krisztian

    It may seem, that the so called modernity, is not a modern notion either, just the rebranding and the return of the pagan gods and their constant revolt – aka the succession myths.

    Also it might be the case that there is progress. And what we see, is in fact a progress, but towards death, or as we Christians know it as the Fall – or more precisely the continuation of it

    What we may see is nothing more than the consequences of our sins and the complete loss of our true identity, role and nature and our connection to God and his creation, which is happening to all of us and because of us as well.

    Christ have mercy on us, sinners.

  17. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Janine, et al
    American history (political, religious, cultural) cannot be understood apart from modernity, but especially from the various “moral” movements with their roots in Puritan and Enlightenment thought. CS Lewis referred to their narrative as the “Whig theory of history.”

    America was lecturing the rest of the world from a position of moral supremacy even when slavery was still the law of the land. Britain’s attitude was, “Really?”

    True Christian teaching is not rooted in “morality” (rules and behavior). Rather, it is a true, ontological transformation. “We are mud that has been commanded to become a god,” said St. Gregory of Nyssa. No amount of moral effort can add a single element of theosis. It is something quite different. Pharisaic morality necessarily judges others in that its own hypocrisy can only be justified by thinking itself superior to others.

    The New Testament actually makes no sense to modernity’s morality – it’s why Christians who use the New Testament but have a modern mindset ignore so much of what is written – only cherry-picking those things that can be twisted to support modernity’s puritanism.

  18. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dino,
    They are truly frightening.

  19. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Krisztian,
    “There’s nothing new under the sun,” according to the writer of Ecclesiastes. “Modernity” is useful as a term for understanding the present form of this temptation.

    It is also important to remember that the world is the arena in which God is working out our salvation.

  20. Esmée Noelle Covey Avatar
    Esmée Noelle Covey

    Rod Dreher’s forthcoming book Living in Wonder seems to examine this same topic, and he will be speaking with Paul Kingsnorth in Alabama too.

    From a recent book review:

    Dreher is very clear about one thing: “Enchantment—the restoration of flow among God, the natural world, and us—begins with desiring God, and all his manifestations, or theophanies, in our lives.” That, most certainly, is the central message of the book, and one that our world desperately needs to hear if we’re to escape the paradigm of modernity that has painted the whole world grey and severed us from any apprehension of God, who in reality is, as St. Augustine said, closer to us than we are to ourselves. Yet again, Dreher has written the book our current epoch so gravely needs.

    https://open.substack.com/pub/roddreher/p/a-great-review-of-living-in-wonder

  21. Dee of St Herman Avatar
    Dee of St Herman

    Janine,
    It’s very likely that the research they saw was funded by entities selling online learning systems and kits. What the psychologist failed to do regarding analyzing research bias is to ask the question who funded the research. Second question is if the online setting is ‘better’ than… something, what is that something— is it a boring monotone lecture? Just about anything is better than that!! Such controls are rather skimpy in research conducted on the chemistry classroom because such studies are constructed by amateurs who either know little chemistry or little pedagogical structures that motivate or facilitate learning in chemistry specifically.

    I have a dual degree (but one dissertation) at the PhD level, in physical chemistry and in chemical education. The latter required additional courses in sociology, education and psychology, in addition to conducting educational research in chemical education.

    BTW none of this background I have seemed to be relevant in the conversation I had with the other party. In other words we’re dealing with modernism. In principle the online environment is new technology and spells progress for some people.

    If we do have another lockdown I’ll do what I did before and will do the best I can in an online environment. But interestingly I had one in-person lab during lockdown. The others were online. Every one of the students in the in person lab did better than the others. Yes we wore masks and kept our distance, nevertheless their learning was obviously different. At the time I didn’t make much of the difference, because the reason for such results seemed pretty obvious.

    I hope this explanation helps to reveal some of the factors. There are more, actually. But they entail interpersonal shenanigans. Can’t say more— too revealing.

  22. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Dee, thanks for that. What you say makes complete sense!

  23. Abhi Garg Avatar
    Abhi Garg

    Fantastic article that touches on a really important topic. Many other writers, both Christian and Non-Christian (e.g. Rene Guenon) have written about this. Fr Seraphim Rose gave a series of lectures in the late 1960s entitled “An Orthodox Survival Course” (the lectures and lecture transcripts are quite easy to find online). In it, he charts the history of the “modern” mentality, interestingly, one of the root causes he identifies is the Catholic schism, as well as the French Revolution.

  24. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    These “time marches on” arguments (@Dee being 20 years behind) remind me of the concept of Planck time, roughly 5E-44 seconds, below which Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle becomes relevant.
    So on the lowest levels of our physical existence, time is literally just one d— thing after another, and you can’t see inside the thing, so “from time to time”, we don’t know what’s going on.
    If we accept that at the most fundamental level of reality, time itself is not linear or even meaningful, then it casts doubt on the idea that progress has an objective existence.

  25. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    The number of dimensions in which one considers history makes a huge difference. It is possible to consider history as nothing more than a compilation of two dimensional time lines. Add another dimension and some intra-relationships begin to emerge on the created level. But when one adds an Incarnate God crucified for us, history becomes amazing and enlightening in a way only Holy Scripture and the Holy Sacraments can begin to reveal the mystery of life together now, in “the past”, and “in the future”.

  26. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father
    The most difficult seems to be when the new value proponents genuinely mean well and religiously – for the reason of their genuiness-refuse to see the error

  27. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dino,
    GK Chesterton described the modern period as a time where the “virtues have gone mad.” Thus genuiness, etc., has the strength of a virtue, but has lost its mooring. I have found it interesting to think about this in its various American historical guises. The witch trials of the 1600’s (which had earlier precedents as well), and various other “outbreaks” of virtue across the years, including our own more recent riots in the U.S., ostensibly for “virtuous” causes. We become drunk on our own virtue. By the same token, there are elements within current-day Orthodoxy that have acquired a couple of virtues (such as zeal) but haven’t acquired its larger context (mercy, etc.), and become, in effect, “modern Orthodox,” and do great damage. They tend to burn out. The traditional strength of Orthodoxy in native cultural contexts is that the culture of Orthodoxy serves as a better nexus of support for the virtues.

  28. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Abhi,
    Fr. Seraphim had many insights.

  29. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Esmée,
    I haven’t seen Rod in many years (I met him in Dallas shortly after his conversion). We have a number of mutual friends. I’m supposed to meet up with him at the Birmingham event. Looking forward to reading his new book.

  30. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Ook said:

    “If we accept that at the most fundamental level of reality, time itself is not linear or even meaningful, then it casts doubt on the idea that progress has an objective existence.”

    Thanks so much for this. What is time then, if not meaningful nor linear?

  31. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    We could run the same kind of analysis on matter – going so small that it ceases to seem meaningful. But, matter keeps the rain off our heads when we build it into a house. The same is true of time. The “reality” of matter and time (and all created things) is not absolute. It is relative and contingent. But it is relative to God and His purposes Who alone gives all things meaning and “reality.”

    We experience time in a “linear” fashion – moving from birth to death – through the many generations. I think it is fruitful to think of these things in terms of their relevance to God’s purpose. Genesis 6:3 first speaks of a limit (120 years) for the lifespan of man – “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh.” Whatever existence we are to have in the resurrection – transcends the “flesh.” But, in the meantime, our flesh matters (relatively) and time matters (relatively).

    Just thoughts on your question.

  32. Ook Avatar
    Ook

    Thank you for these thoughts, Father. I was leaning towards saying that I had only gone as far as to recognize the illusory nature of time as we experience it.
    I’m nowhere near comprehending the meaning of matter and time in relation to God and His purposes. Probably this is not a matter for comprehension.

  33. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Ook,
    Comprehension is overrated (we never really comprehend anything). But “theoria” (contemplation) is something different.

  34. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, is the Jesus Prayer the ultimate in theoria?

  35. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    A person could say the Jesus Prayer while engaging in theoria, but they are not necessarily connected at all. Theoria is the practice of contemplation – considering the nature of things in a noetic manner. The Jesus Prayer need not engage in this.

  36. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks some much Fr. Stephen for your thoughts about time.

    I gather time and matter are not absolute, but rather relative, and are indeed used by God for his purposes. In the resurrection, these issues will cease to be relevant?

    Correct?

  37. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Matthew, great questions. Thank you.

  38. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    Dear Fr Stephen

    Thanks for your insightful article. I found it very helpful, especially your focus on being in the present.

    In the discussion of progress, I can’t help but think of Fr Schmemann’s statement that “secularism is made up of verites chretiennes devenues folies, of Christian truths that “went mad,””. In a sense, the secular view of progress is a distortion of the virtue of hope so that it is placed in earthly things rather than heavenly things, along the lines of what you have written in previous articles about false religion seeking earthly utopias when we have no abiding city here and are in a sense by the rivers of Babylon longing for Jerusalem. The idea that history has a direction is a profoundly Christian idea as opposed to the endless cycle of Eastern religions or the meaningless of nihilistic atheism. The content and means of that progress in Christianity however are decidedly different from the world’s distorted view of “progress”. The Eschaton is the true “telos” of history but that “telos” has broken into the midst of history in the Cross and Resurrection (“the world revolves; the cross stands still”). Indeed, creation groans in pain awaiting the fulfillment of all things in Christ. The kingdom of God itself is described as having its own external development towards a certain end while remaining the same organism (“The earth produces by itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear.”). In a sense, a broken world that failed to return the love (ie Adam failing to be the priest of creation and failing to live a Eucharistic life) given it by God was given that Love afresh so that, by that Love dwelling in us, we might finally return back to God in thanksgiving (Eucharist) all He has given us and creation may once again be the altar of God where the Holy Spirit descends and Love is offered in thanksgiving (Eucharist) back to God. Christian progress therefore involves an End that fulfills the Beginning and the means of that fulfillment is the End and the Beginning, Christ the Alpha and the Omega, who breaks into history to reveal once again its origin and direction and thereby revealing Himself as all in all.

  39. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    We have two “points of reference” in regard to the age to come: the resurrected Christ and some of the words of St. Paul. In Christ’s resurrected appearances, there is a “physicality” (eating fish, touching Him – “see that I am not a ghost”) and things that transcend physicality (appearing, disappearing, locked doors and space don’t seem to matter). St. Paul’s teachings on the resurrection – we’re “planted” in one form but raised in another, or, more extremely, “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption” (1Cor. 15:50). Beyond these things, we begin to “infer” some things. References to the age to come frequently have shapes and forms with which we’re familiar (trees, water, etc.), though St. John’s experience in the Apocalypse contains some very interesting things (“sea of glass”, etc.).

    But if we apply these things to materiality and time, we would easily conclude that they are transformed into something else. Some have said time becomes eternity (which is quite different than just “long, unending time”). Fr. Alexander Schmemann opined that in eternity all times are present. I can’t imagine that, which means it probably has much to recommend it.

    To me, what matters in these things is that time and matter are redeemed and become the “stuff” of the age to come (“a new heaven and a new earth”).

    In this life, there are occasional glimpses of such things. There are saints who bi-locate (transcending space and time being in two places or more at once). In the Eucharist, Christ’s death and resurrection are present as the Eucharistic elements everywhere, everywhen, etc.

    More than anything, in the age to come, Christ will be “all in all.” My favorite fantasy depiction of heaven is in CS Lewis’ The Great Divorce. I remind us that St. Paul obliquely describes himself as having been caught up to the “third heaven” and “heard words not to be spoken.” He makes no reference to what he did or did not “see.”

    That’s pretty much everything I know…or the lines along which I think.

  40. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks SO much Fr. Stephen!

    I´m with Sam. Focusing on the present is very important.

    I have not been doing it often, but when I spend about 30 minutes a day focusing on the present time with God, I do feel immense peace … but normally only for a moment or so. Then I return to attempting not to “think” thoughts, but rather perceiving that which is in front of me. It is hard work I tell you!!

  41. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much for your post Sam. I liked it very much!

  42. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Sam,
    “the secular view of progress is a distortion of the virtue of hope…” well said. It also consumes Christian hope with a materialistic, secular version of a “better future” which is, by and large, a justification through the ages for how the rich keep getting richer. The hypocrisy of secular progressives can be seen in their celebration of medical miracles for the first world, while the third world still struggles to have clean drinking water (and, if we look cafefully, the clean water problem is often as near as a neighboring American city). We are not better, no more moral than any other period in history – unless you use a highly selective account of history that is self-justifying.

    The New Testment’s account of the direction of history is downwards – ending in a cataclysm that is the End.

    “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!” 2Tim. 3:1-5

    To this must be added the warnings that the last days will be so difficult that believers will not be able to maintain their faith if the days weren’t shortened…as well as references to a great “falling away.”

    Tolkien uses the phrase “the long defeat…” to describe this arc of history. Modernity is built largely on lies. It’s an ad campaign.

  43. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Speaking of all times being present:

    For the life of me I cannot remember the name of the Peruvian tribe deep in the jungle that lives only in the present. They have no understanding or feeling, linguistically or experientially, of anything other than the present.

    A Protestant missionary from Texas some years ago moved with his family deep into the jungle where they live. After a long time of attempting to convert them to Christianity, he gave up. He later, sadly, became an atheist because of his experience. I believe one of the hardest missionary obstacles this Texan faced was the tribe´s inability to see beyond the present moment. That said, if true experience of God is in the present moment, then I fail to see why this man´s work produce no fruit in an evangelical sense.

    Thoughts?

  44. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    I’ve not heard the story. Sounds a bit apocryphal.

  45. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello Fr. Stephen.

    Forgive me Fr. Stephen. The man´s name is Daniel Everett. He is from CA not from TX. The tribe is known as the Piraha people and they live in Brazil, not Peru.

    There is a fair amount of information on his Wikipedia page. I remember watching a documentary on German TV some years ago about his life and work. I was a Protestant evangelical at the time and I could not wrap my head around the idea that he became an atheist.

  46. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Thanks for the details. Atheism reminds me a lot of divorce. Generally, divorce is driven by wounds to the soul (that can be very hard to heal, much less identify). My experience of listening to the stories of divorced people is that the stories told often serve to “make sense” of what happened, at least in a way they can live with, but don’t really get to the heart of things. By the same token, Christians who become atheists often give intellectual explanations that fail to truly explain. When I’m listening to an atheist, much of what I’m listening for is the wound in the soul. I make a strong distinction between an “atheist” and an “unbeliever.” I’ve met unbelievers who are not a-theists. They simply don’t believe.

    Modern evangelical Christianity is deeply enmeshed in the myth of modernity (it’s a very modernized Christianity – even in its most fundamentalist forms). It’s lack of sacramentality (to give one example) makes it far more compatible with modernity (which cannot understand a sacrament as more than an “empty ritual”).

  47. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Also, have I shared this link? It’s to Dr. Nathan Jacobs – Orthodox, artist, film-maker, professor of philosophy – This is a very good podcast: https://youtu.be/tmFTsJRs5dg?si=b1sBMCVAjHih8_L2

  48. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    “Progress” was a major theme in historiography for about 150 years. It was examined from a lot of non-God perspectives. Nevertheless, reading about such ideas was part of the quest my mother gave me at 18. Part of which was a rejection any linear idea and embracing a dynamic spiral. Eventually, I accepted the understanding that the multidimensional spiral (at least 4) began with “Let there be Light”.

    Historians and a lot of Protestant ‘theologians’ were/are reductionistic and use a linear approach that removes the Life of God from “history” as well as our interaction with Him, making a lie out of both Scripture and the Sacramental reality of our intra-relationship with God both personally and corporately.

  49. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    Forgive me, but as far as I know, there is no reference in the Fathers in which “history” is described as a dynamic spiral, nor of it in a multidimensional form. If you find it helpful for yourself – fine. But it’s not part of received Orthodox understanding.

  50. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    No, that was a step for me toward an Creation, Fall, Incarnation but that is not linear it is intra-relational as we repent and begin to enter into a Trinitarian communion that becomes quite holistic since the Incarnation and our Lord’s proclamation the “I and my Father are one.”
    The point I was trying to make is how dangerous a linear approach is and that the vast majority of “history” takes that approach which automatically tends to introduce the pervasive and c
    caustic idea of “progress” which pervades modernity in all of its aspects. Even the “spiral” has the same result as you point out.

    Communion with a loving, Incarnate Savior tends to put all theories of history in the junk pile.

    The Orthodox experience of the Incarnation including as manifest in our icons and Temples gives us the Truth.

    Every other expression is reductionistic.

  51. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    We have also forgotten how to laugh especially in a warm hearted joyful sense. As the English playwright Christopher Fry observed: “Laughter is surely the surest touch of genius in creation…the phenomenon of cachination is an irrelevancy that almost amounts to a revelation!”

    Especially when it comes rolling out of one’s heart to remind us Who is in charge no matter how much we worry and fret.

    Just curious, Father, what do the Father’s say of laughter flowing from the Joy of the Father, through the human heart in thanksgiving even in pain, suffering, confusion and seeming darkness?

  52. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    That makes great sense.

  53. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    There are some who suggest that laughter is to be avoided (I disagree). Luke 6:21 Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. That makes it clear, it seems to me, that laughter is godly. The Proverbs say, “Laughter is good like a medicine” (17:22). I think that laughter (in the right situations) is like torture to the enemy – just as laughter in the wrong situations brings him a perverted pleasure.

  54. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Father, like all gifts God gives us, we have the capability to misuse it. Laughter misused is enormously destructive. Yet I have also seen it, as you say, be torture to the enemy.
    Yet it is also a natural compliment to the Joy of God with us.

  55. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael,
    I can understand forgoing laughter as an ascetic effort (just like forgoing eating). It does not make laughter sinful (which is an impression I have seen some suggest). Laughter represents a wide range of emotion – from envy, ridicule, and such, to utter joy and transcendence. It is an emotion. Babies, in their innocence, laugh. It is pure and holy.

    I might add, based on my research and study on the experience of shame, that laughter is an important emotional relief to the pain of shame. It is a deeply valuble gift from God.

  56. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Michael,
    it is worth looking into as much detail as you can find regarding the late “laughing saint” St. Evmenios Saridakis. Criticism never left his mouth, not even criticism of bad weather, and was magnificently humble and jovial.
    Also, a combination of linearity AND “spirality” (ie: fully spiral with increasing focus and density towards the actual end) is considered the golden mean regarding proper understanding of the ‘history’ side of the book of Revelation according to the esteemed 20th century interpreter Elder Athanasios Mytilinaios.

  57. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Dino,
    You are a treasure-house of information!

  58. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dino, thank you. I have some tasks ahead of me.

  59. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks for the link to the podcast Fr. Stephen. I will listen to it soon.

    Fr. Stephen said:

    “Modern evangelical Christianity is deeply enmeshed in the myth of modernity (it’s a very modernized Christianity – even in its most fundamentalist forms). It’s lack of sacramentality (to give one example) makes it far more compatible with modernity (which cannot understand a sacrament as more than an “empty ritual”).”

    I agree. I´m wondering if Daniel Everett (the Protestant missionary/linguistics professor turned atheist) failed to bring the living Christ to the Piraha people simply because what he was preaching was a modernized form of Christianity rather than something deeply sacramental? I cannot know for certain, but would like to 🙂 🙂

    Daniel reports that when he was confronted with the deep, natural happiness of the Piraha people coupled with their intelligent objections to his faith, he too decided he didn´t need Jesus. I wonder if an Orthodox priest or missionary would have success in the Brazilian Amazon with the Piraha people; a place where western Christianity failed to take root.

    ???

  60. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Years ago, while in college, I read the book, “The Humor of Christ,” by Elton Trueblood, a Quaker author. It was a fascinating read.

  61. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Incidently Fr. Stephen, Dr. Nathan Jacobs is a very erudite person.

    What he is sharing on the podcast about realism versus nominalism is very interesting. The dark shadow or empiricism and nominalism that has been cast over a large portion of humanity saddens me. 🙁

  62. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    It should sadden us – and drive us to prayer.

  63. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Matthew, hunter-gatherer cultures have a basic sacramentality about them that they rely on for their existence. The sacred is endemic. There is simply no way that they would rely on a non-sacramental approach.

    Too bad your friend did not recognize that and seek something higher instead of lower.

    Celebrating the sacred is essential to our life personally and to form and maintain communities.
    Protestants have denied that from their inception. Lord have mercy upon them and upon us as we are tempted by the lies of modernity.

  64. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    It seems to me that that spiral that evolves like a thread winding across spokes of a wheel makes sense of the whole Bible and its types, which manifest in Christ. And we see certain archetypes manifest like the “spirit of the Antichrist” or the Holy Spirit and various attributes of the fruit of the Spirit through time. I also look back and see my life this way — like a constant embroidery spiraling around but then there are themes that return, just new ways it seems God wants me to go forward or work on a new aspect of it.

    Regarding the missionary who forsook his faith (and became what I understand became rather prominent in the field of linguistics for his studies in the Amazon. What I read (a speech he gave and some other things) seems to indicate basically that the people there are happy without God, without Christ. In fact they didn’t want to hear about Jesus because they’re happy the way they are in a sort of polyamory society, and they don’t like to work much but they like to stay on the beach talking (I can relate to that, and there’s a particular Greek island with that sort of reputation, but I digress). But it was interesting that he quoted one: “My food bank is in my friend’s stomach” which sounded like something St. Chrysostom could have taught. At any rate, I don’t know that this “happiness” thing is the real goal for us, and I would assume that the professor’s loss of faith has more to do with himself than the people he studies.

    But, maybe I’m being a little shocking or possibly heretical, but why do we think Christ is for everyone? I mean, of course Christ is for everyone, but not everyone is for Christ. Jesus is rejected in the Gospels by whole villages, and formally by His whole nation, even betrayed by one of the Twelve. So maybe Father and others can weigh in here — do we need to convert everybody? I live with people all around me who have no use for my faith. On the other hand, it’s possible now to see the opposite happening all around us, people coming to faith of some sort or another. (Lately I even see people talking about demons and ghosts who were/are atheists.)

  65. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Janine, my mother was a professional modern dancer with The Martha Graham Company 100 years ago. Cutting edge at the time. She taught it after she retired. She also knew Native American Dance. Native American Dance is prayer. A great book: “The Dancing God’s”.
    So the main direction I retained from her talk of spirals was “God is real! And you need to find Him.

    After a number of false starts, I walked into an Orthodox parish near where I had grown up about 22 years later and knew I was home when the Blessed Theotokos greeted me.

    That was 38 years ago. I am not planning on going anywhere else. I am still learning thanksgiving, reverence and repentance, but there is so much life in the Sacraments that do not exist anywhere else — and in prayer that Joy is palpable if I open my heart.

  66. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen, Janine and Michael.

    I guess we can never really know what is going on in a person in the deepest places of their existence, nor what is driving them to reject their faith or never even consider faith in Christ at all.

    I never really considered the sacramental nature of more traditional people groups Michael. I´d like to hear more about Orthodox missions in places where such traditional groups live and breathe.

    I will be flying to Greece from Germany next Wednesday. Please pray for me if you feel so inclined fellow travelers here on the blog. I have not been off the ground since 2010 and I have since then developed a fear of flying. Next Wednesday will be my first attempt in 14 years or so to look this fear in the face.

    God is good.

  67. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Michael, Dino, et al
    Thinking about Dino’s information viz. cyclical and linear applied to Revelation – I can see the sense of it. For the cyclical, I’ve often thought of it in terms as history “rhyming” with something that has gone before – interesting.

  68. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    God be with you on the plane! When I did my first flights post-panic-attack-life, I started using noise-cancelling headphones with EMDR-based music. I found it worked very well. Since then, I’ve expanded to lots of different music – but I still fly with my headphones. Seemed to make a difference.

    Prayers for peace and safety!

  69. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen. I so appreciate it.

    Can I use my smartphone on the flight if it is in airplane mode? If so, I can simply listen to EMDR-based music through my smartphone during the flight.

    Incidently, the island we will be staying on (Skiathos) has a very rich Greek Orthodox heritage and apparently many churches, though it is probably more famous because of Meryl Streep and Mama Mia! 🙁

  70. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Matthew, Skiathos will be beautiful and I’m sure you will enjoy it. Visiting churches in Greece is full of delight and surprises. I have flown with friends who have particular phobias about planes, and I think you will be great — keep your phone in airplane mode and you can listen (if there is wifi or you have music stored on the phone). God bless and all beauty be yours to enjoy

  71. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    I have not thought of the dynamic spiral and how it works in a long time. I gravitated more to my father’s approach,i.e, a dynamic intra-relationship between all parts of creation going on all the time. That is especially true within the Church. There is a dynamic balance that is deeply Trinitarian.

    The spiral alone, as with a hurricane, lacks the proper integration. It is somewhat useful for interpreting history but when you take the element of time out of it, the spiral tends to collapse.

    What I do know is that the Holy Spirit is everywhere present and filling all things in a way that is merciful and imbued with Joy: if we can submit to it. Deeply Sacramental.

    Ahhhhh, missing so much trying to explain it with words, but walking into St. Mary’s Orthodox Sanctuary that day in 1986, it all was/is so real.

  72. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    BTW, if anyone is near Wichita, Ks this weekend, please drop into St. George Antiochian Cathedral for our Big Dinner. I will be glad to take you on a tour of our Sanctuary in which a small inkling of the reality of what we are talking about here will be available.

    If course, if here on Sunday, worship with us.

  73. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father and Michael,
    According to the Elder Athanasios in his series on Revelation, the proper patristic understanding that combines cyclical and linear into a ‘tornado-like’ spiral with gradual intensification towards the end until it reaches its final point of realisation, has a good example in what scripture refers to as the ‘many antichrists’ [1 John 2:18] and the ‘final antichrist’.
    (This Michael is speaking of prophecies and of times -not of timeless realities.)
    So this is how we can say that eg. the Pharaoh in Moses’ times was one, Antiochus IV Epiphanes was one, so was Nero another one, so was Stalin (you would have thought so living/dying under their rule as a Christian wouldn’t you?), but, clearly there will also be the final one at the end of history.
    It makes little differences to their victims if they’re the final antichrist or -as the Fathers would say of the earlier ones – pre – ‘types’…

  74. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dino, I gather from your description that your spiral starts big and comes to a point. The spiral my mother talked about started small and went up and out, gradually encompassing more and more but always organized around one’s center. A fundamental principle of her dance–both physical and spiritual.

    (In Orthodox understanding, I have long related “the center” to the Nous.

  75. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    “the secular view of progress is a distortion of the virtue of hope…”
    A recurring observation for any Christian that happens to have an argument with a secularist regarding his values and theirs is that the secular view, is practically the distortion/inversion of all values and virtues…
    I remember once, when asked in a conversation on traditional marriage and new forms of it, why it would “threaten me what others do in their bedroom?” and restraining myself from answering that the greater societal influence on my children could be one of many answers, and instead trying to politely take the conversation to a more philosophical and theoretical and less emotionally charged basis that “it is always better to have a dependable ‘guiding star’ for every facet of our lives so that, as much as possible we align to universal eternal first-principles or patterns that are fractaly & repeatedly manifest at every scale, from the smallest to the largest (like plugs and sockets do for instance, if they want to function), that sort of thing.
    But, interestingly, to prove the secular value distortion point, my secularist friend himself then exclaimed that it is precisely such traditional values (ie what were practically everyone’s values for all of history until about 15 minutes ago), are the real threat because he feared the such traditional values will have societal influence on their children!

  76. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Michael,
    yes that is so, you are talking of a different spiral to me there

  77. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Regarding the spiral: perhaps the greater magnitude or intensity of the manifestation can be thought of as “expanding” – this is part of the prophesy as I understand it

  78. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dino, it worked for me for awhile but, as Father pointed out, there are a lot of problems with it.

  79. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Janine,
    the ‘spiral’ understanding and interpretation is one that moves from the many to the one, not the other way around. So you have many historical types (an expanse) of a prophesied event or person leading to just the one event or person (a focal point).

  80. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Janine … thanks so much for the good wishes. I appreciate them very much. 🙂

  81. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Dino, thanks, yes I understand. I suppose I am thinking of the overall expansion of the manifestation of the energies as described by Christ in Matthew 24, in terms of evil. So interesting to note now how Jesus warns (right from the beginning, as you say) of the “many” who will come in His name, and the false christs and false prophets (plural).

  82. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Dino, thanks for everything. The Cross has become way more important and truthful than the “spiral”.

  83. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Michael,
    The spokes of a wheel can form a cross too. We circle around with the Cross always at the center

  84. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Janine, forgive me, but I have to disagree. The Cross is our foundation as the fundamental shape of every Orthodox parish there is on which we both stand in readiness and enter into the Kingdom.

    My home parish makes that clear for sure. In fact our Narthex (which also holds our baptistry) is the foot board where Jesus feet were nailed. The Holy Altar is the board that Pilate nailed up to identify who Jesus is. We worship on/in/as the Body of the Cross–quite literally.

    We are surrounded by Holy Icons which are windows into the Kingdom. But there is a second Cross formed by the dome and the two apse. The right arm is the chanter’s stand; the left is for our choir. A hugh icon of Jesus blessing us is in the dome surrounded by angels and saints.

    The movement is the movement of Holy Communion and the blessing of the Holy Trinity.

    Now we have pews which impede that movement some, but even there His Grace is sufficient to overcome our weakness.

    The Cross that begins as our foundation and our walk is layered in many ways. But rotating is not one of them.

    As I said, you ought to come this weekend, have some good Lebanese Dinner and take a tour with me. Amazing.
    St. George, Wichita: Sat 4-7; Sun 12-7.

    I will be there tomorrow but my poor old body cannot promise Sunday tours and I am the most experienced.

  85. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Thank you for the gracious invitation Michael. Unfortunately I am on the West Coast and I cannot take you up on it. But I’d love to sometime if possible. By the way, I didn’t say the Cross rotates, I think it’s at our center. If anything “we” rotate around it. But not to pick an argument, it’s simply an image of the passage of time that springs to mind. The action overall is crucifixion, and the Cross is in our center too. But I will meditate on what you say!

    For some reason the quotation, “God is a circle whose center is everywhere and circumference is nowhere” sprang to mind. I think the origin is attributed to Empedocles an ancient philosopher, but it’s been quoted by many.

  86. Michael Bauman Avatar
    Michael Bauman

    Janine, my wife and I would like to make a pilgrimage to venerate St. John’s relics if you are in the Sam Fran area and could help with that, we would be delighted.

  87. Janine Avatar
    Janine

    Michael I am frequently traveling between different cities. But possibly I could meet you at the cathedral if I am in San Francisco. It is very beautiful. But it is not my parish.

  88. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    On Saturday I was on day retreat at a monastery in our city. We were six people all together. One of the men was some sort of Christian who seemed, sadly, a bit troubled. He expressed at the end of the retreat his inability to really know what is true. I did not have an answer for him. A “Jesus is the truth” response would not have satisfied him I don´t think. If anything, it probably would have made him agitated and uncomfortable … possibly even angry. Instead I was moved toward compassion for him, and so many others, who in our post-truth age of distorted and unreliable information have so much trouble believing anything.

    I too get confused with so much competing information out there, but I try to keep my eyes on the horizon of Jesus Christ and his truth. He is the truth. That said, what does that really mean in a church that has a lot of people professing Christ, but who also draw very different conclusions from similar religious information. For example, one professing Christian says we should help the immigrants on the U.S. border because it is the Christ-like thing to do. Another professing Christian says the immigrants should be jailed or sent back. It seems even the truth of Jesus Christ is not that easy to decipher.

    I guess the bottom line question is … how can we know what is true in a post-truth, progressive and modern world? I would have loved to have an answer for the man in our retreat group. Like I said … I didn´t.

  89. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Our habits of speech tend to make us think that the right answer can be a thing spoken that quietens the mind and solves the riddles that rattle around in our brains. Very few of the sayings of Jesus seem to serve this purpose. As often as not, they raise still more questions. Christ told Pilate that He came “to bear witness to the truth,” to which Pilate scoffs, “What is truth?” Interestingly, Pilate’s immediate actions are the truth – he went back outside and told the crowds, “I find no fault in Him.”

    I wonder to myself if the question were rephrased what the troubled Christian in your retreat would have said. The new question being, “What should you do?” Which is a very different thing than “what should you think?”

    The examples you give (what to do with an immigration problem) are, of course, “problematic.” Such problems are almost always “complex issues” whereas the solutions are almost always “sloganesque,” little more than soundbites. And the soundbites aren’t really about the problem – they are about “my opponent is a bad or incompetent person.”

    I think that such problems would be quite different if anyone with power asked, “What is a good thing to do in this situation?”

    I find it fascinating that you are living in Germany and yet your question is about a problem on the Southern border of the U.S. I think sitting in a retreat group is a very eloquent answer to the puzzled man.

  90. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen. It´s interesting really …

    We often hear Pilates´s quote “What is truth?”, but without the context you provide.
    Jesus basically says he is the truth, then Pilate asks the famous (or infamous??) question, then finally Pilate acts in a truthful manner. Could this be sort of a framework for how the dissemination of truth actually takes place in real time?

    It seems that in our modern world confusion has become a virtue. Those of us who claim (however quietly) that there are theological and moral absolutes are the ones viewed as having no virtue; viewed as being the ones who are intolerant and ignorant. Frankly, I have no firm grasp on how to navigate the tangible world we live in. I try to do my homework, try to evaluate different points of view (though admittedly I too suffer from confirmation bias often), try listening to “experts”, etc. Then I proceed to the decision making.

    That said, I do much better I think, when I jettision this tangible world and its cold empiricism and reach deep into God´s realm – the place of divine revelation. There I experience truth and beauty and goodness and salvation. It is there I don´t have to think so much. I don´t have to do much homework at all. I just have to receive in faith and love. It´s a big part of why the sacraments have become so important to me. “The Bible alone” litany is a cold rationalism and empiricism of no small order. It never provided me with the kind of truth I was looking for; the kind of truth I believe God wants to impart to me; a truth that will ultimately transform and save me.

    I can only pray that those (like the troubled man in my retreat group) who don´t know where truth is, can find their way through the maze of the tangible into the world of revelation and wonder. I think it is only there that the questions which rattle the brain get answered and the good deed finally gets done as it should.

  91. Fr. Stephen Avatar

    Matthew,
    Truth (in its created form) is all around us – we touch it, taste it, walk on it, etc. There is the stuff we call truth that has more to do with relationships and such. And there is “truth” in its manufactured form (news, opinion, etc.). We’re not so much in a “post-modern” world as we’re simply living in the world of digital media and such. Those who have power (and access to wealth) use various things in the media in an effort to make enough of the world act in a manner that they find beneficial to themselves. None of that is more than tangentially about the truth. However, most of us have been very long conditioned to pay attention to these tangential experiences (being told constantly that people who “care” will care about these things).

    The more overwhelmed we are by the digital distractions (and what they tell us to care about), the more important it is to pay attention to what we touch, taste, walk on, etc. I often use the old monastic technique of thinking about my death. What will matter the day after that?

    There is, I think, some sort of terrible judgment awaiting those who actually had power and abused it (for their own ends). I don’t know what such a thing looks like – but some part of me says it’s important.

    The purpose of retreats (classically) is to bring us to our senses – to retreat from the distractions around us (in us) – and pay attention. I have found that the first three days are only preparation…but most retreats don’t last longer than that.

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    Michael Bauman

    Matthew, forgive me brother, all to often people ask such questions simply as a way to create problems for other people as they have in their own hearts and minds.

    One has to be willing to suspend one’s disbelief sometimes for a very long time before one is given certainty…and it always a gift.

    In my case, I worked at it off and on for 30 years at various levels until certainty was given and love received deeply–my own ability to receive being part of the gift — yet my sinfulness endures quite stubbornly. Yet I am learning to give thanks for that as well: Matthew 4:17 “Repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand”.

    May our Lord’s Mercy be with you

  93. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Thanks so much Fr. Stephen and Michael.

    I agree Michael, but I think the man in my retreat group was honestly looking for truth while at the same time being unwilling or unable to absorb any answers. I like Fr. Stephen´s words about posing more questions rather than spouting well formulated verbal answers. I may be making things too simple, but I think people generally have to find their own way and come to their own conclusions. It seems God has to do a real miracle in the hearts and sould of most of the unbelieving.

    I will try to do just that, Fr. Stephen, when I feel overwhelmed with the sheer volume of small “t” truth I am inundated with daily! – coming into contact with what I can touch and taste and walk on! For the big “T” Truth, I will wait on God and his loving revelation in all things sacramental.

    Thanks again. I begin my journey tomorrow morning.

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    Michael Bauman

    In my deepening quest for God begun about 58 years ago, I have read a lot of history, beginning in earnest when I read Henry Adams intriguing work: “Mt San Michel and Chartes” a monograph of cultural history comparing the architectural styles and between the Romanesque Cathedral, Mont San Michel on an island of the coast of France and the high Gothic masterpiece of the Chartes in order to outline the social and cultural and the religious differences between the two eras.

    It really awakened my heart and mind to the ongoing mercy and joy of Christ as present and revealed in history. But I had never run across the Orthodox before I walked into St. Mary of Wichita in 1986 and was blown away by the Joy.

    The Holy Spirit keeps reminding me to go higher up and further in.

    May His blessing be with each one here.

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    Matthew

    Thanks so much Michael!

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    Janette Adelle Reget

    Recently I completed my required continuing education credits to maintain my license as a Clinical Social Worker. Part of the training was on mindfulness. I thought at the time, “This isn’t new, it is recycled, based on prayer and mystics’ teaching, etc.” I often notice that in my profession. Nothing is really new, just repurposed with a new title

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    Edward Case

    Here is an interesting commentary on “Anti-Progress” that might be of interest: https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2024/10/were-told-this-is-progress-but-its.html

  98. Matthew Avatar
    Matthew

    Hello everyone. Arrived safely on Skiathos Island. Thanks so much for the prayers. I saw a priest outside a church in the center of town. I greeted him by saying “Xristos Anesti” even though it is not yet Pascha. He smiled and said what I think was “He is risen indeed!” I have for so long wanted to do that. What an absolute blessing! Thinking of all of you.

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    Janine

    Matthew, how marvelous

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    Janine

    Janette, I think that’s true.

    Re the discussion of Pilate’s question, “What is truth?” I have never read that as scoffing (but perhaps I’m mistaken). I always thought of it as a puzzled question from a Roman mind whose education would have been in philosophy.

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