Existential Despair and Moral Futility

A few years back, a comment was posted on social media that described my writing as consisting of “existential despair” and “moral futility.” It was not meant with kindness. However, after I reflected for a while, I realized that it was not only accurate but quite insightful. It also made me say, “I have become Dostoevsky!” This tenor in my work does not come from careful planning or systematic thought – it largely grows out of my experience and reflection on the Orthodox life.

Existential Despair

Our life is fragile and exists only as a precious gift. We have no existence in-and-of-ourselves and are thus utterly and completely contingent beings. This rather obvious conclusion has been frequently reinforced over the course of my life and ministry. I have buried hundreds of people. Death is a fact of life. However, our culture maintains a pretense and delusion of self-existence, even imagining that we somehow invent ourselves. It is a good marketing strategy as we sell mounds of trash for people to use in their efforts of self-definition.

I do not despair of life and existence itself, except in the sense that it is anything other than pure gift. As such, to stand at the edge of the abyss of non-existence seems to me to be among the sanest efforts ever undertaken. We cannot possibly understand who and what we are until we also consider the fact of our death.

God is the “Lord and Giver of Life,” and not just the “Lord and Giver of Life after Death.” Those who struggle to believe that there might be such a thing as life after death have failed to ponder just how absurdly improbable life before death truly is. Our existence shouts the reality of a Giver of Life – all life. Our non-existence proclaims the emptiness of any claims to the contrary. I hope in God. In Him, there is no despair. But only in Him.

Moral Futility

I caught a lot of flack some years back for an article entitled, “The Unmoral Christian.” It suggested that we make very little progress of the moral sort in our lives. The track of salvation is not, by and large, one of moral improvement. I understood at the time why there was so much push-back: it was assumed by many that I did not think moral improvement to be possible or even desirable. That is not the case.

The moral life, if rightly understood, cannot be measured by outward actions. The Pharisees in the New Testament were morally pure, in an outward sense, but, inwardly, were “full of dead men’s bones.” When morality is measured by dead bones, it is still nothing more than death. However, the path that marks the authentic Christian life should be nothing less than “new life,” a “new creation.” This is a work of grace that is the result of Christ “working within us to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13).

This is not something that takes place within a life of passivity. However, neither is it a sort of divine exo-skeleton making our efforts more powerful. The “synergy” taught by the Church is one in which we work rightly within our proper sphere, doing what is humanly possible. Human effort cannot make what is dead to live: only God can do such a thing. Repentance is the primary effort of our life.

The Elder Sophrony once described this by saying, “The way up is the way down.” The spiritual life is a paradox. The excellence of the Pharisees was met with condemnation from Christ: they could not see their own emptiness. The emptiness of the weak and “sinful” was met with mercy and healing. Their acknowledged weakness made the working of the power of God effective in their lives.

What passes for a “moral life” in our culture, is little more than the successful internalization of middle-class behavior. “I’m doing ok,” we think. It is quite common for those who are “doing ok,” to feel generally secure and superior to those who fail to do so. In earlier modern centuries, this modest morality was sufficient to earn someone the title of “Christian.” It meant nothing more than being a gentleman.

I Can Do All Things Through Christ – And Apart From Him I Can Do Nothing

It is necessary, I think, to see the emptiness of our efforts (moral futility). Just as we cannot make ourselves to live, neither do we make ourselves better persons. An improved corpse is still a corpse. Our repentance is born out of the revelation of our emptiness and the futility of life apart from God. St. Gregory of Nyssa once said, “Man is mud that has been commanded to become a god.” It is the impossibility of that task that allows the heart to cry, “Have mercy on me!”

It is for this same reason that the lives of saints are never marked by a saint’s awareness of his improvement. Like St. Paul, the authentic witness of the saints is their self-perception as the greatest of sinners.

Of course, existential despair and moral futility are not my self-description. They are terms chosen by a detractor. I believe that mud not only can become a god, but that it has – many times. This is the work of God who hears our cries and works within us, doing what He alone can do, just as He alone gives us the life we live and breathe at every moment. It is not despair because every moment of our present gifted existence shouts and proclaims the goodness of God, the author of being. It is not futility because with God, all things are possible.

But apart from Him, we can do nothing. That “nothing” is indeed despair and futility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

About Fr. Stephen Freeman

Fr. Stephen is a retired Archpriest of the Orthodox Church in America. He is also author of Everywhere Present: Christianity in a One-Storey Universe, and Face to Face: Knowing God Beyond Our Shame, as well as the Glory to God podcast series on Ancient Faith Radio.



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  1. Agata Avatar
    Agata

    Dino,

    Thank you for that encouragement.

    So far, I have managed to hold my ground in such conversations, and at least with me, he seems less exacerbated than with the others who try to debate him (I don’t debate, I just tell him what I love about the God I believe in). I think the greatest compliment I have heard from him so far is that I am not like most Christians… 🙂

    If I may, I want to tell you what he liked the most so far: I told him that my hope in/about God (even if I cannot know Him fully) is analogous to the joke about the scientist, the philosopher and the engineer, and a beautiful woman. He is a theoretical physicist so we agreed he represented the scientist. I represent the lowly engineer.

    A scientist, a philosopher and an engineer were set across the room from a very beautiful woman and told that to reach her, they can only traverse the distance towards her by moving 1/2 way. At “ready, set, go!”, only the engineer moved to the middle of the room. When asked why, the first two said “We know the math, it’s a mathematical impossibility”. To which the engineer said: “I don’t care about mathematical theories, I can get close enough!”
    🙂

  2. David Waite Avatar
    David Waite

    Father and Sue,
    Thank you for your comments.
    By the way, I forgot to mention that we never watch commercial television. We only watch non-commercial programs and we only watch one hour a night, at the most.
    My wife reads the newspaper but I have not paid attention to the news for two years, except for strictly local news.
    We rarely go the movies or the theatre. We never listen to commercial radio.
    We use the internet for shopping and email and I confess that I enjoy participating in Facebook, so there is that. I also like Pandora and Spotify.
    I also want to mention that helping and housing the homeless has its benefits. We have had many homeless volunteers wash the cars, clean the house, take out the trash, do the dishes, cut the lawn and weed eat. My house was painted by a homeless man who was living with us. They have also performed many repairs.
    In addition, I have many friends who I have met in healthcare facilities and jail.
    There are mean people, yes, but in my experience most people are actually good and kind and grateful for any help you can give them. Almost everyone I know, be they homeless, sick, a prisoner, or a successful professional, are doing the best they can with what they have got. My belief that the overwhelming majority of people, especially the poor, are decent, good and kind may be the most counter-cultural thing about me. At least in this culture.

  3. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    Agata, the first part of my comment was a bit tongue in cheek because of the logical incoherence of your colleague’s question. It sounds like you are doing fine just being yourself with him.

    One thing that comes to mind is something Mother Teresa said about evangelizing the Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus she encountered. She said she just would encourage these to be the best Muslim, Hindu or whatever they could be (which I took to mean encouraging them to live up to the best moral insights of their own traditions, trusting God to work in their consciences using what they already knew of Him in that way), and that faith in Christ was not hers to impart, but could only be given as a gift by God. Thus she could pray these might receive that gift, but she recognized the limits of her power to impart faith to another.

    There seems to me to be a lot of wisdom in that approach.

  4. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    PS. I love the engineer story, btw!

  5. Agata Avatar
    Agata

    Karen and Byron,
    Thank you for your comments. It is so true that Faith is a gift from God. And I only pray that I am not an impediment to others. It’s so good to have you all here, sharing how to model being a true Christian.
    Thank you.

  6. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    Sue and all,

    “… that perhaps the Orthodox (like several Protestant denominations) aspire to some idea of “Christian culture” (ala Rod Dreher’s _The Benedict Option_). I am very glad that this is not the case…”

    Rod Dreher’s (and others in their various ways, such as Ratzinger {Pope Benedict XVI}, McIntyre, even contemporaries of Niebuhr such as T.S. Eliot who wrote a book titled “Christianity and Culture”) is not a “retreat” and separatism into a walled “Christian culture”, at least not in the way implied – in fact it is the very opposite. The Ben Op is most often mis-characterized this way, almost always by those who are Niebuhr’s (and his many forbearers) intellectual/theological progeny in believing that Christianity (and the Great Commission) is exactly “Christ transforming culture”.

    The Ben Op is the realist position that instead of “Christ transforming culture”, modern secularism and the resultant society is the product of ‘culture’ transforming the Church. This is a hard hard truth for many, if not most Christians to see and admit, as it appears to be a *moral* failure. In my opinion the Orthodox in traditional western civ (NA, Europe, Australia, etc.) are hardly any better at seeing this truth than RC’s or Protestants, and this is a spiritual truth and not a mere historical analysis,or some other pragmatic observation and fact. Thus, Orthodox are as likely to mis-characterize the Ben Op as any other Christian, though it must be understood that few have actually read the book and are relying on others to inform them what it says.

    Too few on all levels (laity, clergy, etc.) see this and work and preach in this area (secularism, Christ and culture, etc.), which is why Fr. Stephen sticks out to the degree he does…

  7. David Waite Avatar
    David Waite

    Agatha – Everyone has a god. The most important thing in your life, the thing that you live for, the reason you get up in the morning, that is your god. So you might ask your friend how he knows tha he has the right god.

  8. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Karen, Agata, Byron, Dino
    As an aggregate you have probably said what I’ll say. Salvation is gifted to us…”For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God….” Another verse that speaks of not-in-your-face evangelism is: “…always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.” I know Agata through correspondence. She would never be ashamed of her faith. And I believe she lives it out the best she knows. I commend her forthrightness. We do not have to fret about “sharing” as I used to before becoming Orthodox. There should be no pressure to, either from within or without. If we are living an authentic Christian life as best we know, then opportunities will come our way, very naturally. They need never be forced. For me to sow seed is enough. I will leave it to God to give the increase.

  9. Agata Avatar
    Agata

    Dean,
    All I can say is Thank You. For these words and your advice and guidance in the past.
    It has been a Grace filled conversation. And David, to wake up each morning for Christ… I am far from that, but what an “ideal” to strive for! It’s the way of the Saints, isn’t it?
    Thank you friends.

  10. Kristin Avatar
    Kristin

    I really appreciate this conversation about how to live the Christian life. I am responding inwardly to so many comments!

    Thank you to David (?) for reminding me of Fr Hopko’s 50 Maxims. I will print it out tomorrow.

    And Dean, yes, I fee less pressure to share my faith than when I was Protestant. But I fear my life will never really reflect Christ, will never show hope, and sometimes I slip into the idea that if I at least share the gospel then I will have done something good. This is not good thinking.

    I also know mostly Christians. My circle is small, but I do truly invest in those I know. Should I be deliberate about meeting others, specifically non Christians? Then the relationship is built on using them to be a project and not in love. I’m stymied here. And then the introvert comes out when new people come to our church…

  11. Kristin Avatar
    Kristin

    I am about to study for a class and I prayed a student’s prayer that addresses some of my own questions…great timing…thought I’d share it here:

    Most blessed Lord, send the grace of your Holy Spirit on me to strengthen me that I may learn well the subject I am about to study and by it become a better person for Your glory, the comfort of my family, and for the benefit of Yiur Church and the world. Amen.

    My intent is to pray this with my children as we begin our home schooling day but I’ve been forgetting. Tomorrow is a new day.

  12. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Kristin,
    I have done before exactly what you’ve said…used others as a “project.” Yet, I’ve noticed something else. As I grew to know the person and acted lovingly toward him/her, I grew to love them. As far as meeting new people, I like Fr. Freeman’s counsel. Be kind, and gentle with all. You say you truly invest in those around you. Good. As one elder said, “First, look to your own salvation. And if you can, help five or six others.” Small is okay.

  13. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Dino, Agata, et al
    “the true Christian is the courageous martyr who’s smile and joy cannot be destroyed even when he and his whole family are in the fiery furnace.”

    I’m not sure I would say “true” Christian, and the smile and joy are clearly pierced by sorrow. There is a common Orthodox phrase “joyful sorrow” that is used to describe things like the Lenten season. That captures this better for me. It would just be weird to stand by smiling while watching the suffering of your family. I do not picture either Mary or John standing at the Cross smiling while Christ is dying – nor does the Church picture them in that manner.

    Hagiography (the accounts of saints’ lives) is often quite fanciful, written to encourage and inspire the faithful. But, as inspirational as they are, they can create a burden of cognitive dissonance in the minds of some when they sorrow and grieve. I would not want to communicate a sense of condemnation, or “I’m not really a true Christian,” for someone who finds that they cannot manage a smile.

    “Jesus wept.”

  14. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father
    I know that there is always the danger of that. I was once vehemently resistant (for various reasons) to the spirit of such “joyous spiritual warfare” preferring the penitential mourning (with its inevitable divine consolation) and distrusting such “enthusiasms.” I have experienced long bouts of the compunctionate / lenten pedagogy which were deeply inspiring and I have also experienced (with an initial internal revolt as you allude to) long bouts of the more fiery / joyous (it is still a lenten form) pedagogy. This latter was also deeply inspiring but also proved more secure in its healthy foundation of “…and despair not”. (The 2nd part of the admonition “keep thy mind in hell…”) There is a quite clear tendency towards the first in certain circles. Russian tradition often likes this I think. Valaam and Essex come to mind. (Although Elder Sophrony would say it is the loss of joy that are times are in greater danger of rather than the loss of spiritual mourning.) There’s a tendency towards the second style in certain Greek circles. St Porphyrios, Elder Aimilianos (Ormylia and Simonopetra) come to mind very strongly.
    I definitely should have said the “inspirational Christian is the courageous martyr. ..” to be clearer though, as that’s the meaning i wanted to convey and, understandably, those rare persons who exhibit such zeal wouldnt be heartless, but to the contrary, would ‘mourn with those who mourn’ when in their presence.
    In fact they would usually mourn for all in private while simultaneously thanking God for his grace and ping pong between those two states. In public though, it is more fitting & part of the hard ascesis we are advised by the Apostle to take on, to “be joyous always”.
    I don’t know how this discernment can be applied in the general speech any more while retaining the message of victory as well as being careful not to allow those in despondency or who might read a sense of ‘condemnation’ other than what I have seen in the aforementioned Elders which I continuously repeat.

  15. Agata Avatar
    Agata

    Father,
    Dino is the only person I know who can say such things because he personally lived through the actual horror of saving his family from the fiery furnace (in those Athens fires in July). I thank God every day that we did not loose him that day, and that he still is able to share his deep knowledge of Orthodoxy with us. I am inspired by these reminders to keep going despite so many temptations and reasons to be depressed and overwhelmed by the cares of this world (in my own personal life and in the affairs of the world).

    I know you are trying to protect those who “grieve and sorrow”, I cannot begin to imagine what difficulties people come to you with. But it was only really from Dino that I learnt that it is a sin to murmur against God in our difficulties. Somehow I never heard that anywhere before, or at least it did not register with me.

    Even Fr. Zacharias tells stories about how people get cured from the worst depression when they start practicing thanksgiving. So maybe the smile on our face does more than we know…

  16. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    *correction: (Although Elder Sophrony would say it is the loss of joy that our times are in greater danger of rather than the loss of spiritual mourning.)

    It’s also worth noting that, as it escaped many people’s attenntion, Elder Sophrony a few times said that it is this second part of Christ’s admonition to St Silouan that is ‘new’, he knew very well how to do the first part. He normally said that when he communicated that there is a greater danger of despair than of overconfidence in most. God knows how to humble the proud. But we need to cultivate hope.
    It’s also worth noting that in Exodus the continuous ‘complaint’ of God is that his people so easily would complain and become dejected (and when you read what they went through it’s not difficult to sympathise with them…

    Agata,

    the (outward senses) tribulation of the fires is absolutely nothing compared to the spiritual (and some psychological, ‘inward senses’) tribulations that we sometimes go through (like what Silouan went through for instance), absolutely no comparison…. (the first is natural and the second demonic)

  17. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Dino and Agata,
    I wish to reaffirm Fr Stephen’s words, which were provided in this conversation not just as counterpoint but as helpful and healthful approach to help others in moments of grief. He is after all a priest and pastor of long experience and with support for his work from his Bishop. All Saints offer models of the Christian life but it takes more discernment to know when one life or their words are helpful exemplars to support another’s journey.

  18. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Dee,
    I think that an essential clarification is required here.
    When speaking personally to a specific individual (in grief for instance), you cannot possibly forget to apply pastoral discernment and ‘injure them’ with the wrong word. That should go without saying and could have terrible consequences.
    However, when speaking generally, the encouraging, arousing, inspirational word has a place, and it has been missing, with its own terrible consequences, making the Christian message less palatable to many (I refer you to Nietzsche’s incisive [and yet erroneous when applied to the genuine/inspirational saints] criticism of Christians!)… This last is a very important point in our public/general “word”.
    Of course, as Fr Sophrony’s warning (that our times will be more susceptible to a latent desperation) indicates, such a “word’s” greater need in our times is also shadowed by more opportunities for it to be individually misinterpreted.

  19. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    *Nietzsche erroneously characterized Christians as “misguided, unhappy, wretches” because he knew not of the ardent spearheads of authentic Christianity (which the public word of Christian Hagiography represents.)
    Even early icons such as the ‘Crucifixion of the Living Christ’ from the Rabbula Gospels AD 586 (Fr J Behr reminds us) display this last public appearance of His, as paradoxically, not just without a pained expression, as we is depicted in later centuries, but almost verging on smiling on the Cross (!). [At this time there were no icons of the resurrection/harrowing of hades and the cross was simultaneously understood (by Christians of that martyric ardour) as His victorious exaltation.

    There is of course a very heavy burden of unseen mourning on many levels in every personal spiritual soldier, ‘we will have tribulation in this world’ no matter what, but the word that ends Christ’s phrase there is ‘take courage for I have overcome the world’; so it is never a mourning without hope, and the word of hope is truly priceless.

    Since Agata mentioned the fires, I was reminded of how Elder Aimilianos faced the great fire of 1990 in Simonopetra with absolute calm and joy (accepting even this as a divine blessing!) Although it was an unimaginable threat, (the Church’s candelabras molten metal was seeping out the entrance like lava!) the monks were astounded to witness the Elder walking out of the monastery last, unscathed (that was up in 50 or more meters of flames) with that same characteristically dignified walk he always had. In that moment they truly exclaimed, “this is not just words about joy and fearlessness that the Elder keeps banging on about to the point where some sometimes resent it! It is real!” Of course, even if this isn’t a fanciful account but a very precise one, it does not detract from the truth of the need for discernment as Father rightly advises…

  20. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    It’s also perhaps worth (despite this being easy ro misinterpret) adding that Fr Aimilianos claimed that such unbeatable joy cannot be sustained without daily (nightly to be more precise) tears.

  21. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father
    An interesting translational issue I might mention while on this subject is that in English what Jesus does immediately after seeing Mary weeping and immediately after Himself weeping– ‘Jesus wept’ (John 11:35)– is translated completely wrong as: ‘he was deeply moved’ or He was ‘groaning in himself’. The original “ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι” and “ἐμβριμώμενος ἐν ἑαυτῷ” actually means that He disciplined/contolled Himself.

    Orthodox Lenten contrition with such a strong emphasis on weeping, is undeniably one of underlying joy: “Let us begin the fast with joy. Let us give ourselves to spiritual efforts.” (Forgiveness Sunday Vespers) In the sense of, “Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit”(Luke 10:21)
    It is the spiritual joy of the Holy Martyrs, whose spiritual battle cries ignite the repentant souls of those who want to be more closely conformed to Christ, towards a paradoxical joy, one that has nothing to do with what this world understands as happiness. It is rather the quintessentially Christian power of the Cross, which confers strength according to our partaking in weakness, suffering and death.
    “For if we have been united with Him in a death like His,
    we shall certainly be united with Him in a resurrection like His” (Rom. 6.5).

    The most closely conformed to Christ in His sufferings are the Martyrs. “Martyr” (men, women, and children) means to “one who bears witness”, through their sufferings the martyrs witnessed to the Christ’s presence and to the strength that could only come from Him.

  22. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Forgive me, Dino,
    But Jesus does this ἐμβριμώμενος before He wept. I would have to debate translating it as “controlling” himself. Also, given that it comes first, your observation would not work.

  23. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Father,
    Forgive me for pressing the point but the expression occurs twice, both times after our Lord being moved:
    once in 11:33 “When Jesus saw her weeping,…he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled (should say controlled himself violently).
    And again in:
    34 “Where have you laid him?” he asked. 11:35 Jesus wept.and then 11:38 Jesus, once more deeply moved,(should again be translated controlled himself violently)

  24. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    When the expression occurs in Matthew 9:30 it is translated correctly (30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.) It literally actually means ‘to reprimand’

  25. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Another disconnect.
    That’s not the Jesus I know, Dino. Sounds cold and distant to me. Stoic like. I prefer Jesus wept, and will think of Him weeping with those in grief.
    Reprimand [Himself]…controlled himself violently…I’ll pass on the Greek this time.
    Besides, Jesus wasn’t Greek. He is all things to all people.

  26. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Dino,
    I don’t know of any English lexicon that renders this as “controlled” himself. Rather, particularly in the Middle Voice – it is much more the sense of “inwardly groan.” The root is from the word meaning to “snort” like a horse (in the koine). In Matt. 9:30, it’s in the active voice – it’s not the sense of “controlling” the disciples – but “sternly” telling them – with the emphasis on the “sternly.”

    I feel like a fool to argue a point of Greek with you – but in this one I disagree. And, I’m sympathetic with Paula’s comment that we should not think of Christ as stifling His emotions. He is not enthralled with the passions. Theologically, I would find it problematic to translate this as “controlling Himself.”

  27. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Yes it’s strange but the Greek intetpretations of the Greek (…..) go for that selfcontrol exegesis. It doesnt matter how we parse scripture at the end as whichever way we look at it, when we look at it in the knowledge of God’s love, His tears, His smile, His reprimand, His incarnate self-control or not, they all speak to us of His love for us that never ends.

  28. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    I’m a total ignoramous when it comes to Greek, and I hope I don’t stir a pot that needs to calm down. Just suppose Dino’s translation is correct—doesn’t this still communicate that Jesus was deeply moved within Himself? In fact, so deeply moved that if He hadn’t violently suppressed or moderated the outward expression of that feeling to some degree, He could have uttered a word or shout or cry that undid the whole universe? I don’t think of this as Jesus being stoic or soldiering on with a stiff upper lip like some Brit, but having that great meekness not to untimely unleash His great power and emotion in a way that could have been quite overpowering and overwhelming to those around Him.

  29. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Karen… a very generous thought. I’d have to dig deep for that one!
    I think that by Jesus crying with us is overpowering in and of itself…that He identifies with us, because He became one of us. Our Lord and our God wept at the death of His friend. As the giver of life, He knows the grievousness of death, its senselessness…even though He knew He would very shortly conquer death by His death. He still wept. That kind of love is only sane thing I can hold onto during the insanity. He shows me not only that it is ok to grieve, but that He identifies with it and is with me…in the dark hours too, when no one else is. That is all I need to know.
    And I certainly can not imagine Him expecting some kind of self control at such a time. Rather I beg of Him for grace that I don’t loose it completely.

  30. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    All,
    I think that Dino’s explanation of how the Greek’s read this passage versus how it is commonly read by English scholars points to an honest difference – rather than an argument. The Greek that is being discussed is not contemporary Greek, but Koine, and is as much a matter of scholarly understanding as it is anything.

    When it comes to Christ Himself, there is much written in the doctrine and teaching of the Church. My cautions in that matter are primarily rooted in the dogmatic treatment of Christ’s humanity. Frankly, much that today we describe as “emotion” is a badly understood element within the human personality – often not at all congruent with the older understanding of the human person.

    There is nothing disordered in Christ’s emotions – such that they would need to be “controlled,” and there’s nothing in the Tradition that suggests such a thing. This does not make Him less than human – but truly human. The disordering of our emotions, just like our bondage to the passions, distorts our humanity rather than expressing it. This is a matter of the Church’s teaching.

    There is certainly an element (in the customary English scholarly reading) of deep “movement” within Christ in this story. The root of the word in Koine Greek refers to the “snort” of a horse, a word ultimately related to our word “bray.” It has the force (since this is expressed in the Middle Voice) of sort of “snorting inwardly,” carry the sense of being deeply moved – but not carrying any sense of control. Indeed, it is not “controlled.” Christ weeps. And He is deeply moved again after He weeps. Christ’s tears at the grave of His friend sanctifies the grief of every human being. Though He knows He will raise Lazarus from the dead, death is still a terrible thing, and enemy. Christ is moved and acts. This, I think, is the proper and traditional reading of the passage. And I’ll let our discussion on this rest there.

    The Russian renders it as скорбящий meaning “grieving” apparently agreeing with English scholarship.

  31. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Thank you Fr Stephen. As always I’m grateful for your words.

  32. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Thank you for your explanation Father. Your words rest easy.

  33. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    It was the reference to the snorting horse which made me think of meekness—strength under control. I think I have heard the Greek term used for meek (“Blessed are the meek..”) has an equestrian reference underlying it, too.

  34. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    I harmonize unreservedly with what Father Stephen says about this parsing of yet another scriptural passage being but a discussion of an honest difference – rather than an ‘argument’. The mutual respect might not be as evident to all (in having this conversation on the comments section) – with all the detailed explanations of our respective backgrounds. I hope it isn’t missed by other readers and the conversation misconstrued as, somehow, being an ‘argument’ – it is nothing of that sort.
    The different backgrounds or predefined translational understandings, even when one is correct and the other one uses some creative license, usually contain some fascinating good-will behind them anyway.
    The ‘snorting’ verb in this passage, (after having a little search in all my Greek Gospels and relevant homilies), is, for whatever reason, explained as a ‘threatening braying’ sound that one would do to reprimand – His own self in this instance.
    The first time it occurs, as it is put together with the expression “He shook Himself” (not as in “quivered”, but as in: “He Himself quivered His own self”) ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι καὶ ἐτάραξεν ἑαυτόν(John 11:33) Now, I couldn’t find this translated into modern Greek in anything other than this: ‘He imposed with great force upon His interior to keep the emotion’– even with distinct cross references in some footnotes to 1 Tessalonians 4:13 “do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope”.

    There’s even some more drawn out homilies in Greek about how Christ’s Divine nature ‘composed’ His human nature, which I found a little strange. These kind of explanations can be found on some other difficult passages too,I guess, like Gethsemane, and I don’t know quite what to make of them.
    As I said earlier, (Karen embellished it beautifully) all readings in this instance seem to speak of Christ’s love I think.

  35. Dino Avatar
    Dino

    Finding some beautiful words (struggling wonderfully to comprehend the incomprehensibility of divine Incarnation in this and other passages) on how Christ is at once, not just thoroughly human, but all of Man, and not just utterly divine, but all of God.
    I might translate some passages if I find some time [much later… ] “Let all that is within me bless His holy name”(Psalm 102:1)

  36. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Dino,
    That’s a fascinating treatment – the two natures. It’s an exposition that has no parallel in English. The scholarly stuff I’ve read goes in a very different direction (as I’ve indicated). How interesting. I will make a note for the future.

  37. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    Dino, thanks for the added word of explanation.

    My reflection about the discussion was fueled, as you have expressed also, in the assumption of a certain goodwill (and accurate insights) behind the efforts of all translators. It was also rooted in convictions formed from my background and continuing interest in the insights gained from the discipline of psychology with those of the Tradition also brought to bear on this. My psychological knowledge is both theoretical and applied in my own case, as I have loved ones with mental illness and have spent time working through some of my own maladaptive responses with Christian therapists in the past as well as majoring in psych in college.

    It was my observations that it is not only disordered emotions which need to be subject to godly control, but even perfectly healthy, rightly-ordered and appropriate human God-given emotional responses which outward expression we need sometimes to self-moderate for the well-being of others who may, through weakness or immaturity, be ill-equipped to bear the full weight of our perceptions and honest responses to them. One thinks of parents who suffer through some tragedy with their young children, who need to help their children through grief by not throwing the full weight of their own adult grief onto their children, but rather offering their children adult strength and support.

    So, yes, any way I look at this passage, it speaks to me of the Lord’s amazing depth of compassion and condescension for our sakes in His Incarnation.

  38. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    An image came to my mind this morning as I was reading all of this. It was of the “grief” of God. Imagine, if you will, the sound of God’s grief at the suffering of His beloved creation. That wail would shake the universe to its foundations. Indeed, on the Cross, the earth shook, the sky was darkened. And, even that, was, no doubt, deeply muted.

    This was very moving for me.

  39. Sue Avatar
    Sue

    I am afraid I have been misunderstood, which means that I have not done a good job articulating what I mean by “Christianity is not a culture; it transcends culture.” This morning I read the following passage by C.S. Lewis in the October 2018 issue of Magnificat. He says it far better than I could ever hope:

    “Meanwhile the cross comes before the crown and tomorrow is a Monday morning. A cleft has been opened in the pitiless walls of the world, and we are invited to follow our great Captain inside. The following him is, of course, the essential point…

    It may be possible for each to think too much of his own potential glory hereafter; it is hardly possible for him to think too often or too deeply about that of his neighbor. The load or weight, or burden of my neighbor’s glory should laid daily on my back, a load so heavy that only humility can carry it, and the backs of the proud will be broken.

    It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare.

    All day long we are, in some degree, helping each other to one or other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are not *ordinary* people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilization–these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit–immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.

    This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play. But our merriment must be of that kind (and it is, in fact, the merriest kind) which exists between people who have, from the outset, taken each other seriously–no flippancy, no superiority, no presumption. And our charity must be a real and costly love, with deep feeling for the sins in spite of which we love the sinner–no mere tolerance or indulgence which parodies love as flippancy parodies merriment. Next to the Blessed Sacrament itself, your neighbor is the holiest object presented to your senses. If he is your Christian neighbor he is holy in almost the same way, for in him also Christ vere latitat –the glorifier and the glorified, Glory himself, truly is hidden.”

  40. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    *Very* interesting conversation (last dozen or so posts) and I am glad that Dino pushed the translation and hermeneutical point. I wonder if we are not dealing with a “east vs. west” difference here. The greek hermeneutical sources that Dino is quoting seem unconcerned (if not unaware) with a “western” notion(s) of “original sin” or original corruption of the *nature* of humanity. This is not to say that they don’t have a notion of this, just that it is different. Therefore, these greek sources can speak of “control” in a way that is not automatically assumed to be *against (disordered) nature* as it would be to western notional ears. The assumptions (the context) of this use of “control” is ascetical and *with nature*, or more accurately a kind of binding of natural powers toward a good end (telos). Nature is to be directed, Chaos toward the Kingdom, Spirit “moving” on and over the waters, etc. A horse is not a horse unless it is bridled, and this bridling is part of its nature and end and is not over against a primal “disordering”.

    This emphasis appears to be in the opposite direction of Fr. Stephens “disordered passions” and “bondage”, and even Karens notions of weight and maturity. I don’t disagree with either of these emphasises or context at all (Fr. Stephen rightly points to these being a dogmatic treatment of Christ’s humanity). However the sources Dino is using appear to be pointed to something else that itself is not burdened with a particular history and deep habitual, even “genetic” disposition toward a certain kind of concern about φύση that leads to the necessity of protecting the Immacule nature of Mary in RC theology, or the Immaculate ontology of Christs human nature (as in Father’s post above). This is not to say these Greek sources don’t assume this, just that it is not the beginning, nor end, nor a “problem” along the way….

  41. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    Thanks for that quote Sue. I think it is a Grace for me to be continually surprised, even after years of familiarity, with Saint Clive Staples Lewis’s profundity and depth.

    On the subject of “Christ and Culture” (and particular conceptions of this, “Christ and Culture”, “Christ against Culture”, “Christ transforming Culture”, etc.) the etymology of the word ‘culture’ itself is a useful starting point I think, particular for us modern folks in western lands who are strongly formed in a certain presuppositions. As in that quote Lewis himself speaks of the “Christian neighbor”, a fellow cult member. Fr. Stephen does not want us to derail this thread with a discussion of the Ben Op, so I would just encourage you to read Dreher’s (or Vigen Guroian’s new book available in a few days on Nov. 6th) for perspective(s) that question the dominant Niebuhr(ian) “Christ transforming Culture” of the current 21st century (mostly) Protestant context…

  42. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    What is Guroian’s new book?

  43. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    You know, there’s a part of me that wants to say that “Christ transforming culture” is a purely bourgeoise concept. The poor don’t think that way because they do not imagine themselves being able to transform anything. They just want to survive. The “transforming” bit, just like “changing the world into a better place” is revealing of our class – not of theology.

    That’s a part of me. Sorry that it sounds a little Marxist.

  44. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    I agree father, can it ever escape its “Immanentize the Eschaton” pretext? Even on the most generous and plausible reading, how do you square it with the NT? It’s a significant piece in the puzzle of secularism and modernity itself.

    The book is “The Orthodox Reality: Culture, Theology, and Ethics in the Modern World”, which should bring it up in Amazon or preferred bookseller…

  45. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Now, I can’t follow all that has been parsed or written here. But as Dee and Paula have noted there is more here than just exegesis. There is the great pastoral concern of Fr. Freeman which weighs-in on everything he writes or says. So, I see first Christ deeply moved here at the death of a beloved friend and at the enemy, death itself. I know not of Christ having to have His emotions “straitened” or constrained. “For we have not a High Priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses….” So, because I do not know Greek I will remain with Christ being “deeply moved.”
    I know that simply reading this passage in the RSV affects me realizing the profound love our Lord has for each one of us.
    Sue, thank you too for the Lewis quote. It has been some years since I read it.

  46. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Some thoughts re: Christopher’s comment at 10:59 am:
    Yes there is an “east to west” difference here. I said that in the past when I first used the word “disconnect” in reference to certain comments. Additionally, I do see other significant (to me) differences. One is the ability (really, a gift) to discern that which is being said by each person, and then to clearly and sensibly express your own assessment (Father has this down pat..always with an Orthodox mind). In the end those who have this ability are the ones who others look to for clarification. If that which [the others] “hear” resonates in their heart, whether it be for edification or correction, and is received with humility, then all is well. But even in the best of times we miss the mark. There are misunderstandings. I think a difference in the style of communication, common vs “learned” (I call “the smart ones”) can be intimidating. (not talking right or wrong here…it boils down to a shame issue as usual). Because I do *not* think that out of all the thousands of readers Father has, most of them do not comment because they think they have nothing to say. Just saying…;-)
    We are a complicated race…human, that is…and we’d be hard pressed to pinpoint three or four reasons for our dissonance. There are many. We can at least agree that we are fallen.

    Another thing I noticed while reading the archives….there is a notable difference in the flow and tone in the comment section, say from the blog’s beginning to 2012 or thereabout. It was generally pleasant, even amid the disagreements. It was edifying, with one comment following another pretty much in one accord. I felt like I was sitting in my old church where we were all giving our testimony for the week, thankful and praising the goodness of God. Father…any thoughts about this? I know you have said that the tension and division in the world has never been as it is these days.
    Thank you all…for all your comments.

  47. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Paula,
    I’m not sure that I have noted changes over the years – though there probably are. I know that at a certain point, for me, I became more willing to confront certain things – perhaps it was after my heart attack. However, public discourse has been steadily declining in civility for quite some time. By comparison to other places – this one is irenic. Also, I think that the comments section has varied over the years with the coming and going and coming of certain personalities.

  48. Sue Avatar
    Sue

    Fr. Freeman and Christopher, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I have actually read Rod Dreher’s book . I explained my thoughts about it in a comment I submitted last night that, in wisdom, Father saw fit to remove. I am not familiar with Niebuhr at all. Considering what I’ve read on this blog in recent weeks, I do believe I am in way over my head. In trying to speak plainly about my faith and ask questions about the Orthodox Church, I am met with terminology (and names) I have never before encountered. I think a commenter (on another post) once compared this to how Eskimos have 40 different words for snow, whereas in English there is just one. The idea was that our understanding of snow is scanty compared to Eskimos. I have been thinking hard about that, because I grew up in a place that receives more snow each year than any other city of its size or larger in the United States, including Alaska. Have I not really experienced snow because I do not have the language to describe its many variations? Do I need to be an Eskimo or learn the Inuit language in order to truly know snow? Is language the boundary of experience?

  49. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Sue I don’t think language is the boundary of our experience. But in a blog, there are aspects of our face to face communication that are simply missing, where meanings can be lost.

    I’m grateful for Fr Stephen’s editorial decisions— even more so if I have crossed some line of helpfulness, and my comment is edited out. I have expressed frustration here on not a few occasions. Such expressions muddy the water or have that potential to do so if not appropriately moderated.

    I ask that you take Fr Stephen’s editorial decisions with a attitude of acceptance and be encouraged to continue to ask questions and comment as you are inclined.

    Fr Stephens ministry is for edification and to encourage us but also to teach us the ‘Orthodox Way’.

    And for that I’m always grateful.

  50. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Well thanks Father. Comforting to know you have not noticed much of a change, if any. It is true that sometimes my “mood” colors my perception. And yes, I agree, this blog (you and your readers) certainly aims for peace.
    Interesting you “tightened-up” ship after your heart attack. You did say recently that our personal attacks against each other causes even a physical sense of grief within yourself. It hurts to hear that.
    Thank God you are still with us.

  51. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Dean,
    Thank you for your words. You expressed my point better than I and I sincerely appreciate that.

    Exegesis is interesting to me but it seemed to me that it was being used to thwart Fr Stephen’s ministerial assertions. I may well be alone in that interpretation. All I will say to that is thank God for Fr Stephen’s patience.

  52. Fr. Stephen Freeman Avatar

    Paula,
    Actually, I’m not sure tightened up ship would be correct. I became less willing to “tiptoe” around certain things. So, I might have contributed to a coarsening of our encounters myself. I certainly wrote some things in 2012 forward that caught more flack than previously. Most of that came as a bit of a surprise. In general, I just write. I write what I know and understand – which limits me. I do not write what I think will “play well” because I have no idea what that would be. So, I just write.

    Sue, sometimes I remove a comment that I think will (even quite innocently) take the conversation in a direction that will not be of benefit. That is occasionally because someone has quite innocently placed a land mine, or a known trigger, within a comment. It is more than possible for the non-Orthodox to stumble into things that they are not aware of. For example, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church share a lot of common ground. They also share a common history, some of which has been very uneven, including an oppression of Orthodoxy – a history with which most Catholics are not familiar. So, sometimes, there can be a touchiness that would surprise.

    Frequently, it’s the case that Roman Catholic expressions of doctrine differ strongly from Orthodox expressions – there are many differences of language that actually do matter. Those conversations are worth having – but not always in the middle of something else. So, I ask patience of those who comment. There’s a madness in my method. 🙂

  53. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    Paula,

    Forgive me and my obscure and pedantic language! I have a philosopher’s bent and even “talent”, which is not really mine of course. Much of the time I would rather have something useful, like Superman strength or spiritual discernment 😉

    Sue,

    As if to prove the above, during my undergrad years I had a kind of obsession with George Herbert Mead and “symbolic interactionism”, which is a modern pysho-social theory about the centrality of human language and how it shapes who we are and how we relate and “know” something (anything). There is truth in this, even though it is ultimately hamstrung by the limits of a “scientific” view of man (anthropos). Remember Charles Taylor (often cited by Dreher in the early chapters)? His is a very useful expression of this kind of modern thinking about man and language and experience, perhaps best summed up in a term I think Nietsche coined, “Perspectivism”.

    There seems to be a correlation to Christianity, in that God’s Word became flesh, God “speaks” creation into existence, etc. However this correlation is only so deep, and Christianity fills in the missing pieces of a materialistic and “Cartesian” understanding of man and what and how we know something. Christianity is ultimately much more “objective” and “experiential” in how it explains (not that it is an “explanation” per se) who we are and how we know something. So no, language is not the “boundary” of experience, anymore than an Icon is a “boundary” of Heaven. Language and symbol is better described as a “bridge” than a “boundary” in my opinion.

  54. Sue Avatar
    Sue

    Hi Dee of St. Hermans,

    Thank you for your response. I accept with kindness Father’s editorial decisions (it is his blog, after all!). I think you misunderstood my question about language. As a Catholic looking into the Orthodox faith, I have many questions–and I often feel like I am met with very complicated answers–not that the answers themselves are complicated, but the language used to describe these answers can be very confusing to people who are not familiar with the terminology or the theologians referenced. I’m sorry if I offended anyone; this was not my intention.

  55. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Sue no offense was taken, in fact I’m a little surprised that you think this was the case. Perhaps you thought I was referring to your comments in my comment to Dean—however I wasn’t. I don’t think I misunderstood you.

    Please forgive me that my comment to Dean appears as though it refers your comments. It isn’t the case and wasn’t my intention at all.

  56. Paula AZ Avatar
    Paula AZ

    Father…I see what you mean now, about the consequences of no longer “tip-toeing” around certain issues. To address them instead, increases the possibility of “spirited” discussions! And I am thankful that you continue to “just write”. It is an obvious gift that blends wonderfully with your call as a pastor.

    Christopher…oh I laugh! Yeah, you’re one of the “smart ones”!!! Seriously, as frustrated as I get at times, when I have to re-read your comments, google definitions, and more(!)…if I didn’t take you seriously I wouldn’t bother!! I do that with other “smart ones” here too…and in the end it is always beneficial. Even when I don’t get answers, inevitably discussions like the one taking place here over the last two days bring a sense of contentment. Really, I am my worst enemy when it comes to reasoning…and it’s hard to fight my own ego!

    Dee…I regret to say, but I had the same reservations about “thwarting”…my thought was usurping…Father’s role here. It has been a thought I’ve had for quite some time. I also want to believe that I am totally wrong in this assumption. It seems to lead to the pitting of one against another…favoritism, if you will. Similar to what St. Paul encountered with those who followed Apollos. I think this is done unintentionally. But it can lead to a click-ish type of atmosphere.
    Father, I hope I haven’t crossed the line here. I tend to say too much at times. I would truly welcome correction.

  57. Dee of St Hermans Avatar
    Dee of St Hermans

    Paula, thank you. I’m not usually one who wants to engage in contentious conversation or behavior but I believed Fr Stephen’s words were very important and helpful and I didn’t want them to become overwhelmed. (Please forgive me Fr Stephen)

  58. Matthew Lyon Avatar
    Matthew Lyon

    Fr. Freeman,
    For what it’s worth, I found your “unmoral” article one of your best writings. Many of us gauge our progress in Christianity by our progress in morality alone. It could be quite easy (or hard) to clean up the things in someone’s life where their conscience condemns them, and then feel fine, at peace – when they should not be at peace. God wants our entire person not just the parts of us where our conscience is most bothered. Often our consciences are weak when it comes to being generous, kind, forgiving, non fault-finding, etc. – so you clean up the big sins that plague you and you feel alright – when God has no intention on making you feel alright. I’m convinced that many times God allows us to struggle with a sin continually because if we didn’t we would feel fine – Him not delivering us from a sin may be the only thing keeping us aware of our need for Him since if it were healed we would just go back to a position of pride, neglecting the “inside of the cup.” I am convinced also, that if we knew our contingency, and what God does to transform us from mud, all of the time, and lived there under this awareness without letting ourselves be constantly distracted from this, we would not only make moral progress but something greater, often with the moral and spiritual in tandem.

  59. David Waite Avatar
    David Waite

    Sue – I am a former RC ✝️, now Orthodox ☦️. Here is how to understand Orthodoxy.
    Go to Vespers. Go to Divine Liturgy. Read about it later.
    God bless.

  60. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew

    Existential despair? I have to wonder if this person is familiar with the book of Ecclesiastes. The remarkable thing seems to be the vastly different effect the same information can have on two different souls. I constantly find myself wanting to explain to unbelieving friends and family that their repulsion is proof of them not really understanding the true nature of God and Christianity, as If their unbelief was do to faulty information processing.

    I remember you somewhere quoting someone who said something like “the man who just came to faith due to your sharing the gospel with him would have done so upon seeing a butterfly emerge from its cacoon.”

    The exact flavour in your writing that this person marks as consisting in existential despair is exactly what has in my life delivered me from such despair.

    Thanks be to God!

  61. Reader Irenee Avatar

    Breathtaking. Classic Orthodox existentialism at its richest.

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